12 Year old boy disproves Einstein's theory while eating a sandwich

first of all i know there is an existing thread covering this subject so please don't jump on your soapbox.

the reason i put this here is because the other thread is 18 pages long and may be a bit stale by now and i could not see this vid in that thread.

if not, that is for a mod to decide.

anyway. here is the link.

regards.

www.liveleak.com...

reply to post by riktus


Whoah, no offence to the boy genius but I'll believe that when I see it! The media does have a reputation of stretching the truth to make it sound impressive. But like I said, only when Jake publishes his new theory, is accepted by scientists, will I believe this.

LOL, Einstein just got owned. Assuming the kid is right of course.

On another note, he has to know he is putting himself in jeopardy flaunting his intelligence like this... A lot of bad people in this world need his brains. I can only hope his high IQ is a good replacement for his lack of experience and he is planning to go into hiding, or at the very least has some extreme safe guards in place to ensure he does not get kidnapped. If this kid falls into the hands of North Korea or what have you, the world will find itself in a very unhappy place in the not too distant future.

reply to post by CasiusIgnoranze


When are you going to realize that scientists do not know anything?


Of course i can develop an idea and prove it through some abstract method of observation. I created the observation method to observe what it is i want it to.

One day your going to realize that the world exist in your mind. Hopefully that day is not the day you die.

I saw this kid on the other thread.

Hoping he does not burn out by the time he is twenty, or completely lose his mind. I am expecting that his theories in adulthood will revolutionize the way we see the world / universe. Maybe even tackling singularity theory. Now that would be awesome!!!

Originally posted by sliceNodice
LOL, Einstein just got owned. Assuming the kid is right of course.

What?

The kid doesn't even have any coherent theory, he said he's still working on it. Maybe by the time he's in his mid-20s, about the age Einstein came up with his theories, the kid will have something worked out. He's not making much sense in that video. When I was his age, I dreamed about tachyons too, but I have yet to see evidence for them.

Originally posted by onequestion
reply to post by CasiusIgnoranze

 

When are you going to realize that scientists do not know anything?


Of course i can develop an idea and prove it through some abstract method of observation. I created the observation method to observe what it is i want it to.

One day your going to realize that the world exist in your mind. Hopefully that day is not the day you die.

"The world exists in your mind..."

Maybe your imaginary theory could be proven with some imaginary experiments, and then some fellow imaginary scientists will try to replicate the imaginary results of the imaginary experiments you did to prove your imaginary theory and, if they are able to, those same imaginary peers could do an imaginary review and then your imaginary theory could be published in the imaginary science journal and then we could all pretend to read it!!

reply to post by JakiusFogg


There is nothing to revolutionize.

Its simple. In its most basic form.

The mind is the observer and reality exist in the mind. Do as you please.

reply to post by CasiusIgnoranze


Come on man he's 12 and challenging Einstein. I would love to know what Hawking has to say about this kid!! But yes he is still just a boy. I just hope they are teaching him how to stick to his guns!

reply to post by onequestion


Yeah whatever man, this kid understand the fundamentals of star implosion. You can barely string a sentence. I am with the the kid!

I heard about this kid before, he seems intelligent. I wonder if his parents ever ground him for being a smartass? i know i was

reply to post by Whirpool


He might be intellectually the most advance theorist of this century common sense wise he could be useless. The two do not go hand in hand.

Some of the most stupid people in the world I have met, had Degrees.or Masters.

That doesn't mean he can;'t explain the working of the universe. but just as long as they stay in the lab, we'll be safe!

Originally posted by JakiusFogg
reply to post by onequestion

 

Yeah whatever man, this kid understand the fundamentals of star implosion. You can barely string a sentence. I am with the the kid!

exactly what Mr Fogg said up there in that quote!

i've seen and read a lot about this boy,his the real deal ...99.9% of us don't have a clue what his talking about,but the 0.1% who do,say his correct in a lot of his maths and calculations.

his 12 for christ sake...lol ... i give my right arm to be able to do the sums this boy can.

Let's hope he doesn't end up like this 'boy genius' when he becomes an adult.

Gabe - Boy Genius Turned Gambler - Intervention

Gabe had a promising future. He reached college during his teens and taught chemistry at UCLA. He tried to become an entertainer, but was crushed when that dream failed.?He turned to gambling for solace and was quickly addicted

Too bad part 2 of that video is missing (can't find it anywhere on the net). Let's hope that Jake's parents are careful to raise him properly and guide him in using his knowledge instead of tossing it to the side and wasting it on something insignificant. I think they need to watch this episode.

Young Jake is talking about the Lorentz factor.


g = 1 / sqrt(1- v^2 /c^2)


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For the audience
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A charged body is harder to set in motion than an uncharged body.

In english the formula above says gamma equals the inverse square root of one minus the square of the velocity divided by the square of the speed of light.

If one does the maths they find that the faster an object goes, the harder it is to make it go faster.

Or in terms everyone has heard, the faster an object is going the more fuel it takes to make it go any faster.

Reaching the speed of light is impossible because mass approaches infinite.



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for Jake
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You'll scare them even more when you say it slowly like you believe they understand what you are saying. Instead of saying it fast like you are nervous you will get caught in public being smart.




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Other questions
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Q: But how does anything "vary" if it is traveling at the speed of light?

A: it varies relative to the observer making the measurment.
dt = observed time
dT = objects internal time

dt/dT



Q: You do suck at math. ".9 times LARGER"...meaning if something was 100 and it was then .9 times larger, it would then be 190.

A: It is obvious you have nothing to contribute. Here is your Troll T-shirt. Thank you for playing.




Q: Nassim Harameins amendment to Einstein's Field Equations incorporate torque and Coriolis effects in the plasma dynamics interacting with a polarized geometric structured vacuum which produces a unified field theory in a Holofractographic Universe.
I mean geesh come on guys...duh!

A: while the factor _was_ worked out by Hendrik Lorentz in support of Ether Theory, explaining the extra mass of an electrostatic charge on a body as "drag on the Ether" will not get young Jake any funding or admission to any college.




Q: "if gravity was dense"... uh? a new concept! The density of gravity!

A: The gravitational constant is 0.0000000000667428 or about 6.66x10^-11 wich is a slightly less dense version that was in use during Einsteins time.



Q: He is talking about, Quantum mechanics, he didn't disprove anything, He is asking his mom, about dual particle-like and wave-like behavior and interaction of matter and energy he is actualy making a question. but he is mixing known phisics with quantum physics in a quantum universe. By the question of light moving sideways is by the effect of gravity on light protons. Tachyons have a diferet type of mass to them because tachyon would be constrained to the space-like portion of the energy-momentum graph, If tachyons were conventional, localized particles that could be used to send signals faster than light, In theory. Not in real mechanics.

A: Correct.



Q: AN APPLE:
A differential in velocity between two frame of references does not create a change in spacial density...

AN ORANGE:
Furthermore... the Einstein equation in reference is analysis of mass, momentum, mass energy equivalence, energy emission and absorption for mass at rest and mass in motion for Newtonian and Relativistic velocities...

MIXING APPLES AND ORANGES:
Comparing the constant speed of light emitted from moving frames of reference to the momentum change of mass in motion...

A: Correct.



Q: brilliant kid, but people like him are the ones who go on killing sprees such as the unibomber.. they understand the world in a different perspective that normal people like us just can't grasp..

A: I really wish mankind would let me tell them about math without having the room go to sleep, or worse, assume that I am mentaly special like the rain man. This is pure hearsay popularized to sell cell phones that have calculators on them. It is not my fault they didn't teach you how to carry the remainder in division and showed you how to "feel good" about "clusters" and "groupings" instead.



Q: Some of them make excellent idiot savants. Only some, like this kid. This means that they excel in only one field, normally mathematically-oriented. Or, if you please, music.

As a sorry example, if you asked this kid what his thoughts were on a novel he had read, he wouldn't be able to dig deeper than your average five year-old. What's more is that he's stuck at that level forever, while your normal five year-old will go on to high-school, then graduate to study literature in University, and finally be able to expound Shakespeare with the best of 'em, say.

I think that one would be hard-pressed to find a literary giant who had asperger's.

So, the kid's actually more pitiable than he is admirable.

A: This is the stupidest most unsubstantiated thing I have heard in a long time. It is little better than a late night comedians attempt at character assasination. And people wonder why we keep hearing the phrase "the dumbing down of America."





David Grouchy

I LET JAKE EXPLAIN.
DARK MATTER

When i was his age I invented GPS. I should have put in a patent application but oh well. This has happened plenty of times to me. When you are motivated to be scientific, it needs to be encouraged so that it continues on... this kid is interested in math and science and I hope it keeps up.

reply to post by JakiusFogg


Mathematically calculate for me the self.

Then factor that calculation into your current observation of the physical universe.

If he continues to get media attention like this at such a young age - he'll amount to nothing.

I can empathize with his class of thinking. That isn't to say we think the same way - but my mind has never been satisfied to contemplate the mundane world of the average person. I love learning and dreaming - thinking up as many different ways to explain what I observe as possible. I -love- paradoxes, conundrums, impossible scenarios, and things that absolutely defy explanation. I start talking and people start backing away, because they don't have a chance in hell of carrying on that kind of conversation with me. I was beyond my parents and teachers in my early teens.

I haven't had any real expectations of me with regards to this - other than what I have placed upon myself. I can make a hundred failed theories and no one take notice (innovative as those theories may have been). While locally recognized as a brainiac, they don't expect me to set the next paradigm in physics (though they would openly admit that such wouldn't surprise them).

It's more than likely the kid will be wrong more often than he is right - and even more likely that most of his theories (and mine, for that matter) will not be able to be tested until long after we are both dead and gone. You can't expect him to do anything but think in ways most people don't care to think about. Nor should he be deified - just because the average person doesn't really grasp the way he's thinking, doesn't mean he's suddenly the next Gauss. Further, the kid's going to have an ego worse than Hawking by time the media finally stops saying he's disproved Einstein.

Further - while I can't speak for everyone, at "theory" comes as a sort of momentary realization. A "flash" - if you will. The idea is simple - a small change to an existing concept or adding a new concept to an existing system. It often happens while thinking about odd problems and circumstances. By its very nature, it's quite simple and can be explained over the consumption of a sandwich (though I often find language to be seriously lacking in effectiveness for communicating my ideas).

Really working on a theory is where it takes a long time. You take your time to double-check your initial "flash" of understanding, and start to fit it in with the bigger picture. Everyone initially comes up with a theory "in a flash" - publishing that theory and expanding on the implications it has for physics is a completely different notion, all together - and what this kid is going to have to do.

It's good the kid is thinking and being ambitious. It's bad we're putting far too much on his shoulders. It could easily 'destroy' him.

ahhahahha that young kid is miles off and it doesn't take an Einstein to see it.

Where to begin.