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Latest bad news from the plant: Plutonium detected in soil at Fukushima nuke plant

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posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 10:36 AM
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Took longer than I thought for the media to bring up the P-word in the reports, here we go.


Plutonium has been detected in soil at five locations at the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Monday. The operator of the nuclear complex said that the plutonium is believed to have been discharged from nuclear fuel at the plant, which was damaged by the March 11 earthquake and tsunami.


Kyodo news link
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posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 10:46 AM
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The operator of the nuclear complex said that the plutonium is believed to have been discharged from nuclear fuel at the plant,
Well where else would the plutonium be coming from? hehe.
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posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 11:08 AM
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The nuclear devil's out of the box- thanks TEPCO, tremendous job.
The Fukushima crisis gets worse by the day, with nuclear experts around the world finally realizing & admitting we've all been lied to.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 11:43 AM
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TEPCO vice-president Sakae Muto told journalists at the company's latest briefing that test results showing the plutonium came from samples taken a week ago! So this was already a week ago, and they still sent workers there



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 11:45 AM
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For those of us who know nothing about nuclear science, can someone explain what this means?

Thanks.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 11:48 AM
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Originally posted by Abney
For those of us who know nothing about nuclear science, can someone explain what this means?

Thanks.



Being very polite about this, the answer to your question is "Oh Dear!"

Does that help?



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 11:50 AM
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No, it doesn't. Stop trying to be clever and answer the question.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 11:56 AM
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Plutonium is one of the worst kinds of radioactive material. There are many like uranium, cesium etc but this is probably the worst thing that can happen. Google it for a full answer rather than a vey simple one.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 12:05 PM
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Did Plutonium leak out in Chernobyl?



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 12:09 PM
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This is not good news, and I would bet that they knew this a week ago.

Reactor 3 has MOX fuel, they admitted it was possible that # 3 containment was breached.



“It’s very possible that there has been some kind of leak at the No. 3 reactor,” Hidehiko Nishiyama, a spokesman at the Japan Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, said in Tokyo today. While radioactive water at the unit most likely escaped from the reactor core, it also could have originated from spent fuel pools stored atop the reactor, he said. www.bloomberg.com...




Three plutonium isotopes -- Pu-238, -239 and -240 -- were found in soil at five different points inside the plant grounds, Tokyo Electric reported. It said that plutonium found in two of the samples could have come out of the reactors that were damaged by the March 11 earthquake and tsunami that ravaged northern Japan.www.cnn.com...


Could have?

1. What does the smoke and vapour emitted from the nuclear reactors at the plant contain?

2. What if one of the elements being discharged is plutonium,
the deadliest substance known to man -- difficult to detect???


Reactor 3 suffered significant damage after the quake and the tsunami waves on March 11th;
The roof of the building was destroyed by a powerful explosion last week caused by an accumulation of hydrogen they say.



What if the release of elements in the smoke and vapour were not just radioactive iodine, caesium and uranium but a MOX combination including plutonium?

This would explain why the workers were immediately evacuated given the deadly nature of plutonium;
Plutonium is extremely difficult to detect because it emits limited gamma rays -- unlike radioactive iodine, caesium and uranium -- and it is deadly; Plutonium release would not show up as a radiation spike;

Plutonium 239 is the deadliest element known to man;
Half-life of Plutonium-239 in MOX is 24,000 years: Few milligrams of P-239 escaping in a smoke plume will contaminate soil for tens of thousands of years

www.businessinsider.com...



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posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 12:12 PM
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Talking about this right now on CNN.

2nd



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 12:36 PM
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Plutonium forms inside reactor cores, that is where it comes from. So yes there was some released from Chernobyl, but it was not a component of the fuel when they loaded that reactor.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 12:41 PM
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If its true that plutonium was found in the soil a week ago. Imagine what has happened that they haven't disclosed yet. They are covering it up and trying to speak in doublespeak constantly uttering and bleeting to the sheep " No Immediate Health Effects" and the Sheep are taking the info in and praising TEPCO, But us at ATS are smarter than that and don't fall for TEPCO's lies.

This is very grave news indeed if Plutonium was found in soil a week ago! and now they are saying 1-4 reactors could be having meltdown problems well i think they already have melted down atleast some of them partially MISTER TEPCO



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 12:46 PM
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one particle in your lungs or stomach gives off something like 288,000 little atomic bullets a day
for a loooooong time...
for a lot longer time then the organisms that snuff it up
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I thought one reactor was fueled with plutonium (mox) and that over 600,000 spent fuel rods were blown sky high.
The announced amount of fuel assemblies containing the various types of fuel suggested that the number wasn't an exageration


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posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:12 PM
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I'd like to understand from the physics point of view why Plutonium is so bad; isn't a longer half life better? Would that not mean it gives out less radiation?

From the second law of thermodynamics, if it gives off an alpha or beta particle (or even gamma ray), that means Pu has degraded, and become something else. I could be way off with gamma ray emissions, I'm not a nuclear physicist.

Once it has degraded, it turns into U-235 (is this wrong?) (from Pu-293), which then will degrade into something else, and then something else until it becomes stable. Where I could be wrong is if it keeps staying in a radioactive state upon decaying. But, lets assume after maybe 2-3 decays it's all normal. At a rate of 24,000 years, not that many atoms would be splitting, since the half life is so long. Therefore how can Pu be as dangerous as it's made out to be? Obviously its not good and the fact it leaked into the environment is the worst news of it all; I just want to understand why it's so bad (I know the health effects, but I'm wondering why such a long half life would cause so many problems).
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posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by NuclearMitochondria

Once it has degraded, it turns into U-235 (is this wrong?) (from Pu-293), which then will degrade into something else, and then something else until it becomes stable. Where I could be wrong is if it keeps staying in a radioactive state upon decaying. But, lets assume after maybe 2-3 decays it's all normal. At a rate of 24,000 years, not that many atoms would be splitting, since the half life is so long. Therefore how can Pu be as dangerous as it's made out to be? Obviously its not good and the fact it leaked into the environment is the worst news of it all; I just want to understand why it's so bad (I know the health effects, but I'm wondering why such a long half life would cause so many problems)]


Its not the half life that makes it so dangerous...


The main carcinogenic property of plutonium-239 arises from the energetic alpha radiation it emits. Alpha particles, being heavy, transfer their energy to other atoms and molecules within fewer collisions than the far lighter electrons which are the primary means of radiation damage for both gamma and beta radiation.1 Alpha particles travel only a short distance within living tissue, repeatedly bombarding the cells and tissue nearby. This results in far more biological damage for the same amount of energy deposited in living tissue. The relative effectiveness of various kinds of radiation in causing biological damage is known as "relative biological effectiveness" (RBE). This varies according to the type of radiation, its energy, and the organ of the body being irradiated. A simple factor, called quality factor, is used to indicate the relative danger of alpha, beta, gamma and neutron radiation for regulatory purposes.www.ieer.org...



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by Hithe Merinos

TEPCO vice-president Sakae Muto told journalists at the company's latest briefing that test results showing the plutonium came from samples taken a week ago! So this was already a week ago, and they still sent workers there


See.. this is whats wrong with people in power. The USA does this all the time as well as most major companies.. remember BP? - they don't tell the truth till it's too late to get real help.

If one person died due to this late or watered down news then the leaders of Japan Must due their to honor commit hari kari.

I wanna see BLOOD. I wanna see em all do themselves in. If they are too cowardly to do it, then the people of Japan should rise up and do it for them and take over.

We can't keep letting so called world leaders get away with this crap!



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:35 PM
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Ok so does this mean Plutonium is getting in the Air ? Just like we detected it all over the world does this mean its time to stay inside and/or run for the hills or will we be so far away in North America that the Radioactive fallout won't be very harmful.

From what i'm seeing i believe that the reactors are going to melt down into full meltdown and it will be chaos or 1-2 of them have already started or partially melted down. THIS IS INCREDIBLY GRAVE NEWS IF THEY DETECTED PLUTONIUM IF THE REACTORS MELT DOWN? Wouldn't that explode or chain reaction with the stored Spent Mox fuel rods OMG? Armageddon.

Someone suggested in another Thread that in each reactor there was enough spent MOX fuel rods that have the equivilent to 80-90,000 Hiroshima Nagasaki bombs going off. THis is GRAVE NEWS INDEED!!@!



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:50 PM
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From this mornings news, several observations.

News stating that Plutonium has been found inside and outside that plant.

Inside:


Three plutonium isotopes -- Pu-238, -239 and -240 -- were found in soil at five different points inside the plant grounds, Tokyo Electric reported. It said that plutonium found in two of the samples could have come out of the reactors that were damaged by the March 11 earthquake and tsunami that ravaged northern Japan.www.cnn.com...


Outside

Plutonium has been detected in soil at five locations at the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Monday.

The operator of the nuclear complex said that the plutonium is believed to have been discharged from nuclear fuel at the plant, which was damaged by the March 11 earthquake and tsunamienglish.kyodonews.jp...



Found outside, indicates that it was released from the explosions in the Number 3 Reactor.
That is the reactor that used the MOX fuel rods, containing plutonium.

1. What does the smoke and vapour emitted from the nuclear reactors at the plant contain?

2. What if one of the elements being discharged is plutonium,
the deadliest substance known to man -- Plutonium being difficult to detect?

Reactor 3 explosion...





What if the release of elements in the smoke and vapour were not just radioactive iodine, caesium and uranium but a MOX combination including plutonium?

This would explain why the workers were immediately evacuated given the deadly nature of plutonium;
Plutonium is extremely difficult to detect because it emits limited gamma rays -- unlike radioactive iodine, caesium and uranium -- and it is deadly; Plutonium release would not show up as a radiation spike;

Plutonium 239 is the deadliest element known to man;
Half-life of Plutonium-239 in MOX is 24,000 years: Few milligrams of P-239 escaping in a smoke plume will contaminate soil for tens of thousands of years
www.businessinsider.com...


And most important the admission today, in the last hour that TEPCO is re admitting - Because they really admitted this last week also...


Tokyo Electric Power Co. acknowledged for the first time possible damage to core pressure containers at the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant--the last line of defense in preventing radioactive materials from spewing out.

TEPCO officials told reporters Monday morning that despite the continuous pumping in of water to cool down the No. 1, No. 2 and No. 3 reactor cores, water levels were not rising as expected, meaning the pressure containers may not be completely sealed off.

The water, which is believed to be mixing with radioactive materials from the fuel rods within, is likely leaking from the pressure containers, they said

www.asahi.com...


Dont panic, make a plan according to where you live.

In my opinion, worse is likely to come, as number three reactor continues to heat up today.

If there is an explosion, or a full core meltdown in number 3.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 02:24 PM
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If these reactors go into full meltdown and take the mox spent fuel rods with them were talking about evacuating the entire island of Japan. That is what will need to happen can you imagine the amount of radiation equivalent to 80-90,000 Hiroshams Nagasakis going off at once?




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