Decoded: 'The clay tablet that tells how an asteroid destroyed Sodom 5,000 years ago'

reply to post by Christian Voice


no.

what it verifies is that an actual eye witness account found it's way into the bible no doubt Moses read it in some papyrus, maybe the same one where he read about the Mesopotamian Deluge, and incorporated it in the myth he was creating.

the backsplash/ejecta of the impact was the rain of "fire and sulphur"

oh and P.S. sodomite does not = gay

the sodomites were a sect ;The Sons of Belial , a rape cult of the jaded rich, and/or a terrorist organization which used gang rape as its weapon; depending on the time and place. hence sodomite became synonymous either because it was the birthplace [or abortion IMO] of the sect or it was a unholy city.

this was the abomination that brought on the smiting of the benjamites to their near extermination in the book of the judges.

but that's how it is when you get your facts from an ass's mouth instead of actually reading and studying the bible for yourself.

i started when i was 7
was a judaic heretic at 8
and an atheist at 11

nowadays i'm a kabalexic-gnostic pantheist
or whatever i'm calling it this week.

reply to post by romanmel

Half the tablet records planet positions and clouds, while the other half describes the movement of an object looking like a 'stone bowl' travelling quickly across the sky. The description matches a type of asteroid known as an Aten type, which orbits the Sun close to the Earth. Its trajectory would have put it on a collision course with the Otz Valley. 'It came in at a very low angle - around six degrees - and then clipped a mountain called Gaskogel around 11km from Köfels,' said Mr Hempsell.

again: the movement of an object looking like a 'stone bowl' travelling quickly across the sky.

it's called deduction.

reply to post by Byrd

And the size of the asteroid is implausible. The one that wiped out the dinosaurs and had a huge global impact was less than half that size.

Are all of you not reading the article? This is from the Op's article. It states a mile long asteroid devestated more than 386,000 sq miles.

Researchers believe that the tablet's symbols give a detailed account of how a mile-long asteroid hit the region, causing thousands of deaths and devastating more than one million sq km (386,000 sq miles).
The impact, equivalent to more than 1,000tons of TNT exploding, would have created one of the world's biggest-ever landslides.).

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti cle-551010/Decoded-The-clay-tablet-tells-asteroid-destroyed-Sodom-5-000-years-ago.html


Here is a National Geographic revised version of how big the asteroid that wiped out the Dino's.

In what could be a major scientific puzzle, the team's new size estimate for the dino-killing meteorite is a mere 2.5 to 3.7 miles (4 to 6 kilometers) across.

The most recent computer models predicted a size of 9 to 12 miles (15 to 19 kilometers) across.

news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/04/080410-sea-meteorites.html


Here is a different article saying how big they believe the asteroid that hit the mountain is.

The observation suggests the asteroid is over a kilometre in diameter and the original orbit about the Sun was an Aten type, a class of asteroid that orbit close to the earth, that is resonant with the Earth’s orbit.

www.bristol.ac.uk/news/2008/212017945233.html


So we have an asteroid as big as slightly more than a kilometer(1 kilometer), to right at a mile long hitting the mountain. The asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs was 4 to 6 kilometers(newly revised), to 15 to 19 kilometers(old estimate) big.

This thing was only about a quarter or less as big. It states that massive destruction was caused. I am sorry but if people do not wish to read the article and check the facts(or not facts) out, then how are we supposed to get to the bottom of this.

I know this is not a popular topic according to the replies I am reading. I can obviously tell that people here a reading(or not reading) the article and coming to conclusions without having the facts. That is ok with me.

Star yourselves crazy, if that makes you feel better. Popularity is the new thing on ATS. Poster's posting info without reaserching the data is in direct violation of "Deny Ignorance".

Anyway Op I liked the article and I do not wish to rain on everybody's parade. Star on folks.

Originally posted by Christian Voice
reply to post by scojak

 

Then again alot of people need to open their eyes. Do you not see, this does not contradict the Bible but further verifies a story from the Bible. Open them peeps.

Thank you captain obvious. I never said it contradicted the Bible, the Bible obviously said it happened and that's the reason this thread was started in the first place. I assume your eyes are open, so maybe the next step is learning to read and comprehend.

I'm just saying that a religious civilization seeing something they haven't seen before (like catastrophic destruction from a meteor) would obviously consider it an act of God. There was no proof that it was, it's just what they believed because it was so unbelievable. Fortunately for us, we can see (because our eyes are open) that such an event is just a random occurrence, a stroke of bad luck, an act of....nature.

Originally posted by Immortalgemini527

Originally posted by LilDudeissocool
What do ya think, Immortalgemini527, maybe a "godrod" that we will put up into space in the future which goes through a time portal during a launch (orbit to ground) in a futuristic ME conflict and ends up striking Sodom some 5,000 year ago?

The whole aspect of this was dealing with galaxy wars1 with the reptilliens and triangular race of aliens,the meteor was thrown at them,just like in all the wars they had on earth,if you dont believe me,then follow the wars.

Start in mexico,this was the first galaxy wars ever between the 2 groups,this is where the reptillien race was first found in the world.
After new mexico ,work your way north to canada,after you reach canada,go east acroos the water to russia,after russia ,go south down to china,and from china,work your way to india.When the reptillien race found the triangular race close to eygpt,they went to war AGAIN,but it was a short time because they lauched another comet at them.
THE END.

oooook.

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can you start over,i fell to see the point in all this.

you dont bloody need to start over because it doesnt make since.

Sorry you all, I forgot the most important thing, just follow the history of all comets that hit earth, and you will connect the migration of the reptilians in history, as well as the wars they had...connect the comets.



The reptilian race basically influenced the east and south of the world, while the triangle race only influenced Syria Egypt Iraq and Iran.

The reptilians was here way before the triangle race came, but that’s when they lived and settled down near new Mexico, after they tossed the comet at them, they then moved to Colorado, after Colorado, they went to Canada, ettc etc etc.

Just look up all known comets that hit earth and you will see.

Start with New Mexico, the Colorado, then Canada, then work your way to Russia

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Barringer Crater in the USA, the first crater to be proven the result of an impact, ~50,000 years old.
the Rio Cuarto craters in Argentina, produced by an asteroid striking Earth at a very low angle, ~10,000 years old.
the Lonar crater lake in India, which now has a flourishing semi-tropical jungle around it, ~52,000 years old (though a study published in 2010 gives a much greater age).
the Henbury craters in Australia (~5,000 years old), and Kaali craters in Estonia (~2700 years old), apparently produced by objects which broke up before impact.
The Clovis comet hypothesis is a theory that an air burst from a large comet above or even into the Laurentide Ice Sheet north of the Great Lakes set all of the North American continent ablaze around 12,900 years ago. The theory attempts to explain the extinction of most of the large animals in North America and the demise of the North American stone age Clovis culture about at the end of the Pleistocene epoch. Proponents claim the existence of a charred carbon-rich layer of soil found at some 50 Clovis-age sites across the continent.[6] It has been criticized for not being consistent with paleoindian population estimates.[7] Impact specialists have studied the claim and concluded that there never was such an impact, in particular because various physical signs of such an impact cannot be found.[8]

More recent prehistoric impacts are theorized by the Holocene Impact Working Group, including Dallas Abbott of Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, N.Y.[9] This group points to four enormous chevron sediment deposits at the southern end of Madagascar, containing deep-ocean microfossils fused with metals typically formed by cosmic impacts. All of the chevrons point toward a spot in the middle of the Indian Ocean where newly discovered Burckle crater,[10]29 km (18 mi) in diameter, or about 25 times larger than Barringer Crater, lies 3,800 m (12,500 ft) below the surface. This group posits that a large asteroid or comet impact c. 2800-3000 BC produced a mega-tsunami at least 180 m (590 ft) high, a catastrophic event that would have affected humanity's cradles of civilization.[11] If this and other recent impacts prove correct, the rate of asteroid impacts is much higher than currently thought.

Originally posted by Byrd
I think this will get dismissed pretty quickly by other scientists simply because it's Really Bad Science.

Lets not forget that there is no impact crater on the site either.

I watched 2 videos today about Sodom & Gomorrah that was interesting ....some may want to check it out ..peace blip.tv... blip.tv...

Originally posted by liejunkie01
reply to post by LilDudeissocool

 

Regardless of what it is or is not. Here is the explanation of why the crater is the way it is. This is what "they" are saying. I am not religous by no means. I would like to see more information on this subject.

The observation suggests the asteroid is over a kilometre in diameter and the original orbit about the Sun was an Aten type, a class of asteroid that orbit close to the earth, that is resonant with the Earth’s orbit. This trajectory explains why there is no crater at Köfels. The in coming angle was very low (six degrees) and means the asteroid clipped a mountain called Gamskogel above the town of Längenfeld, 11 kilometres from Köfels, and this caused the asteroid to explode before it reached its final impact point. As it travelled down the valley it became a fireball, around five kilometres in diameter (the size of the landslide). When it hit Köfels it created enormous pressures that pulverised the rock and caused the landslide but because it was no longer a solid object it did not create a classic impact crater.

www.bristol.ac.uk/news/2008/212017945233.html

I am a science type of person. This does not state that god did it. It looks like a re-evaluation of science. Something that does happen. Just because someone makes a theory does not always mean it is set in stone. This is an explanation. Thats it ,no more, no less. Science grows, I do not treat it like a religion such as you. If this is not the explanation then so be it. It sounds pretty good to me. Tablet aside, this could be an impact crater of some sort. This is a mountain not soft soils. I googled imact craters on mountains and rock. There are not many pictures to compare to.

When it hit Köfels it created enormous pressures that pulverised the rock and caused the landslide but because it was no longer a solid object it did not create a classic impact crater.

Hmmm, explains landslide. Exactly what you said it was.

That's quite a "save a theory exercise" after a hole on the side of a mountain had been realized as a case of mistaken identity for an impact crater.

Also I would like to know of any impact site that has caused a landslide? Know of any?

Clipped a mountain and continued on? Pretty sure given the forces involved meteors don't do that. Love to see that modeled... how that would work exactly. Odds are the pressures would have mushroomed out right then an there when the laws of inertia took over after "clipping" a mountain.

Again, where is all the coesite or choesite rather? The idea is they thought it would be found when this theory first was espoused www.sciencedirect.com... teway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1697297069&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=c41e1720642bfdec fc8f82c9e21c0995&searchtype=a Decades later still nothing.


PS

I'm not a science type just a commonsense guy. It's fairly easy to realize when things begin to not add up regardless of what the subject is. This is one of those cases where things just don't add up when it it comes to an impact theory. Common sense says, it's a landslide, nothing hit anything that caused it.

I guess you have to be logged in for that link to work. Here is what is says if you're interested::


The age and the origin of Köfels structure, Austria




References and further reading may be available for this article. To view references and further reading you must purchase this article.

D. Storzera, P. Hornb and B. Kleinmannc

aMax-Planck-Institut für Kernphysik, Heidelberg ,Germany

bLaboratorium für Geochronologie der Universität, Heidelberg ,Germany

cMineralogisch-Petrographisches Institut der Universität, Heidelberg ,Germany
Received 6 June 1971.
Available online 25 October 2002.


Referred to by: The age and origin of the Kofels structure: Austria, by D. Storzer, P. Horn and B. Kleinmann, Earth. Planet. Sci. Letters 12 (1971) 238–244.
Earth and Planetary Science Letters, Volume 14, Issue 1, February 1972, Page 160
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Abstract

The fused rock from Köfels yield a fission track age of 0.8 ± 6.0 × 103 yr. Because of the low age of the “Köfelsite” and the extremely small density of fossil fission tracks the fission tracks the fission track method is operating at its methodical limits. Nevertheless, it is remarkable that even in this extreme case an age can be estimated which is in plausible agreement with geological and C14 results.

Lechatelierite, feldspar glasses and probable chaoite in “Köfelsite” prove that temperatures far above those common for igneous processes existed at the time of formation. The presence of the tomorphic quartz, maskelynite and multiple sets of planar features in quartz and feldspars strongly indicates shock metamorphism.

At present these features can only be explained by a meteoritic impact origin of the “Köfelsite” and the Köfels structure.

Note "probable chaoite" They never did find any.

reply to post by Immortalgemini527


Love your galaxy wars play by plays, but your second post, "I fail to see the point" in being relevant to the Kolfels event theory. Those are a list of credible theories. Kolfels event theory seems not to be credible. I just spent an hour or so reviewing online material regarding each one. Kolfels is a landslide, nothing more, in all probability given the hard evidence.

Sorry my immortal one if you feel differently, but that's just the reality of the debate at this point given all the information up to this date. Hows that for a rhyme on a dime?

reply to post by LilDudeissocool


I found this. I am curious if it is legit. I am putting it out there for peer review.

The vesicular glass from Köfels, Tyrol, contains grains of quartz that have been partially melted but not dissolved in the matrix glass. This phenomenon has been observed in similar glasses formed by friction along a thrust fault and by meteorite impact, but not in volcanic glasses. The explosion of a small nuclear device buried behind a steep slope produced a geologic structure that is a good small-scale model of that at Köfels. Impact of a large meteorite would have an effect analogous to that of a subsurface nuclear explosion and is the probable cause of the Köfels feature.

Wit 4 Figures


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Publication authorized by the Director, U. S. Geological Survey.

www.springerlink.com/content/ql712l48q4578n67/

I see that we art getting all kinds of information on this topic. I do not want to sign in to be a member. Disinformation is rampant from all sides. Have a good day.

reply to post by liejunkie01


I'm far from being a peer of yours, but here is a likely culprit, you mentioned thrust faults.

adsabs.harvard.edu...

www.sciencedirect.com... teway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1697515043&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=b4005ac6166f8875 0dcf1761e1848921&searchtype=a

If that link does not work here is what is says

Active tectonics and Quaternary basin formation along the Vienna Basin Transform fault

Abstract

The Vienna Basin Transform fault is an active fault system extending over a distance of some 300 km from the Eastern Alps through the Vienna Basin into the West Carpathians. Active sinistral movement is indicated by moderate seismic activity in a NE-striking zone paralleling the fault, focal plane solutions and recent stress measurements. By analogy to the Miocene kinematics we propose that the sinistral strike-slip fault terminates in the Carpathians where horizontal offset is transformed into thin-skinned thrust-type deformation. Hypocenter depths mostly well above 12 km are in line with the inferred thin-skinned style of deformation with active faults restricted to the overthrust Alpine–Carpathian units.

Mapping of active fault segments in the Vienna Basin using subcrop data, thickness maps of Quaternary deposits, seismological data, and geomorphological features seen in the digital elevation model shows that virtually all active faults are reactivated Miocene structures. In the southern part of the basin active faulting defines a small-scale pull-apart structure with an actively subsiding Quaternary basin, which is filled with up to 140 m fluvial gravel, sand and paleosoils. For this basin Quaternary sinistral displacement was quantified by adopting a geometrical model for thin-skinned extensional strike-slip duplexes. Accordingly, 1.5–2 km sinistral slip accumulated during deposition of the basin fill in the last 400 ky corresponding to a slip rate of 1.6–2.5 mm/y. Results are in good agreement with published GPS data indicating 2 mm slip per year. A second group of Quaternary basins is related to listric normal faulting, rollover and crestal collapse of the reactivated normal faults at the NW basin margin. Rollover also resulted in tilting and dissecting Late Pleistocene river terraces of the Danube

Some history of seismic activity in the Vienna Transform fault zone. en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by meathed


If this is anything to go by (and it should be, it's using census data), religion will be 'extinct' in no fewer than 9 countries within a few generations. Obviously I don't expect this to happen in America for a while, but I'm surprised the UK wasn't on the list (probably because the census hasn't been collected yet )

Religion may become extinct in nine nations, study says

reply to post by ararisq


Atheism is not a religion. I wonder when you lot will recognise that fact. Trying to say atheism is a religion is like saying bald is a hair colour. What are these denials or wilful ignorances?

Originally posted by SevenThunders
You atheists have a bizarre way of twisting reality to conform to your preconceptions. My take on this if true, is that it confirms the Biblical accounts and God's hand in destroying a wicked people. In fact for years, in order to deny the validity of the Bible people were saying that Sodom and Gomorrah never existed and that the destruction itself is a fairy tale.

If this happened, it confirms both the existence of the cities and their destruction and it lends huge credence to the Biblical story, which was correct all along. It's perfectly reasonable to presume that God would use the whatever tools available to him to enact judgments and/or blessings. In fact God would know in advance what Sodom's fate would be and set up the asteriods trajectory from the time of the beginning. That's the kind of God we are dealing with, and he will soon be dealing with you.

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So our god is a cruel, sadistic, psychopath?

And Christians worship a god that strikes down whole cities and nations because it takes his fancy to do so?

I'm pretty sure that not everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah, were as evil as depicted. Hard to believe that one man was the only good person in the whole region. Or gods idea of good is total brown nosing him and anyone who don't is dead meat.. again, that tells me that god might be a little bit of a megalomaniac..lol

I'm sure also if god is that all-powerful, he doesn't need manual tools to destroy something, since he just waved his hand 2000 years ago and made everything exist.. "which btw was about 500 years after the incident involved according to scriptures, yet creationists still maintain their faith, even with all the holes in the bible and its stories. and timelines..

Christianity makes me laugh so hard sometimes..!!

But I still consider myself a good, honest, hard working, loyal, loving, humanitarian, kind person... Will I get smite by god when he deals with us for not following the bible to the letter and believing every word of it?

Don't get me wrong.. I'm not saying god (or a higher, universal being), doesn't exist, I am just saying the bible is a lode of rubbish written by primitive people who didn't have a real clue.. Sort of like Christians today, who's mentality, minds and intelligence is still stuck in biblical times...

Christians sort of remind me of those really primitive tribes in PNG and South America, that drop to their knees when a 1st world person flies his plane over their heads.. Always praying and worshipping and kissing he floor in the presence of a statue or alter..

Hmm come to think of it.. Muslims and just about every other religion are the same...

Don't need a god to be a good person... Just need a heart..!!

reply to post by predator0187


So on that round tablet it is supposed to tell us that they measured a comet before it hit and then was able to accurately calculate how many pounds of TNT it equated too? But TNT hadn't been discovered? And without even having a basic telescope they were able to witness this without being killed themselves. Who did they find to read that? Does it say when they aliens will land? looks like somebody was making bread and they're kid starting writing on it to me.

Hi i've been trolling for a while now and found this to be my tipping point to create my account. What if the watchers seen this object was going to cause destruction and came to lot and warned him. Lot then decided to tell everyone of the danger and that the angels had came to him. They would think him to be out of his mind and ignore his warnings. Being sure he had not gone crazy he takes heade of the warning leaves with his family, and lives to have his story recorded in the bible. Thus making the bible correct. Angels are messengers from God. God is everything the angels have been watching over us every since life formed on this rock. Is it so hard to believe we are not the only life in the universe and that others might try to help from time to time.

reply to post by Ironclad


I'm curious. I too have many of the same thoughts that sway me from my personal beliefs. What do you believe in? Could you imagine how wicked this world be with no religions? No hope for you after you pass. Part of me thinks religion was just the earliest form of government to organize basic society. But then part of me knows there's a truth to the religion I was raised to believe. But thousands of years ago people were raised to worship Apollo god of the sun...etc

reply to post by predator0187


Moses led the Exodus out of Egypt in approximately 1500 BC. This rock supposedly tells of something that happened in 700 BC. We all know that the destruction of Sodom as told in the Bible occurred long before the Exodus. No way does this rock have anything to do with Sodom's destruction.