Quantum Physics Explanation For Smell

reply to post by bsbray11


There certainly is. And it is possible that QE represents information travelling between paired particles at faster than the speed of light. But, it's also possible that the effect called QE is entirely the result of the pairing, itself, from the time the two particles were created (and, thus, when they weren't separated by any distance at all). Both are equally possible... it's more probable, though, that the probabilistic nature of QM represents a deeper reality, which doesn't deal in probability but only appears to at the scale we observe it. In that case, what appears to be instantaneous is, in fact, merely an artefact of a deeper connection between the two particles, and it does not represent any exchange of information over any physical distance.

I actually have a theory of my own to describe this deeper reality, but this thread isn't the place to be discussing QE. We should get back to the noses...

reply to post by Resentedhalo08


I'd be particularly interested to know of any quantum theory of the brain. Neurons, memory, consciousness... can it, too, be described in terms of QM? If something as seemingly unrelated as smell can have its basis in QM, then, I say, why not?

Originally posted by Resentedhalo08
Another interesting application is if you reversed a technology which senses quantum physical smell to a device that emits it. Just imagine a new generation of environmentally friendly airfreshners where the smell is created by this quantum physics effect.

Or if they want to kill someone they send some kind of poison through the device and kill the person or even mass extiction of people...

reply to post by mikepopy


Ironically, I mentioned that on the first page, and it wouldn't work like that. The quantum signature of the substance would be what's transmitted, not the substance itself. There's a big difference between gassing a room with chlorine, and "gassing" it with the quantum scent signature of chlorine, which has nothing to do with the element, itself.

Originally posted by mikepopy
Or if they want to kill someone they send some kind of poison through the device and kill the person or even mass extiction of people...

You are a cheery person aren't you, lol... here is us talking about all the positive applications for this and you come right out and say it, mass killing device

But you are correct in a sense, new discoveries do have a knack for being picked up and used for negative purposes.

Quantum physics is involved with biological process's (quantum tunneling and bi-locality have been directly observed with photosynthesis; physorg.com) The field of Quantum Neurology or Neuroquantology ( Journal of Neuroquantology) or Quantum Mind will blow you away. Quantum Mechanics (actually quantum dynamics) is being actively investigated by companies, intelligence agencies, the military and academia. In this case to predict with a reproducible and teachable method, the future. I'm very interested in this. Originally because my back ground is the life sciences I started with biosensors, meaning using active biology in the sensor, and tried to apply it to nano-molecular computers, cybernetics, and many other areas. I believe neuro-morphic computers and not glorified adding machines, digital anything, will achieve self awareness. The brain changes its nature, or "morph's" physically as part of it's action. We know a real fast adding machine can produce the illusion of some primitive awareness; as in personality. It's in fact not aware at all, having ego or sense of self. Unless you want a "Terminator World" empathy is critical in my view, and others. If you have a very powerful computer that can control's certain military systems, I want a computer that worries about hurting someone. I want a computer that gets depressed (but not severely) because intelligence includes mood (we can try Prozac, or something like it, I'm serious) Humans who don't feel empathy are called sociopaths. Computers with rapid processing, wrongly called "intelligent" but tremendous processing power, yet no "SOL"? Would you trust it to "act in the best interest" and have life and death (perhaps medical ethics decisions or environmental control) issues for your kid? I wouldn't trust it with a potted plant...

We know living things can have a sense of self and empathy. We better have both in any Synthetic Intelligence. (AI for people who think in terms of "systems" and not "organisms" and SI is based on what we actually have experienced in our brain, neurological self organizing systems) In QM, because the observer of the experiment actually must affect the experiment which is old school (Heisenberg uncertainty principle), I prefer the greater probability of not trying to predict the future, thats hard. It should be easier to affect the future. Which is prediction actualized. This is not crazy, or please don't use that non-word, paranormal. We are talking HUGE sums of money here. Black and Grey (hidden in plain sight) Projects. I'm going to start a thread that goes into this in much more detail and provide references of course. The field of Quantum Dynamics,the "connection" level or Meso Physics, and the linear cause and effect world we are familiar with, Classical Physics. Just doesn't get any more interesting then this...

Originally posted by CLPrime
reply to post by mikepopy

 

Ironically, I mentioned that on the first page, and it wouldn't work like that. The quantum signature of the substance would be what's transmitted, not the substance itself. There's a big difference between gassing a room with chlorine, and "gassing" it with the quantum scent signature of chlorine, which has nothing to do with the element, itself.

edit on 26-3-2011 by CLPrime because: (no reason given)

Excuse my english, and for discussions sake,
What if it doesnt only work that way, and there is some kind of other interaction of the body like lets say it just follows through with the command that it gets from chlorine?

Originally posted by Resentedhalo08

Originally posted by mikepopy
Or if they want to kill someone they send some kind of poison through the device and kill the person or even mass extiction of people...

You are a cheery person aren't you, lol... here is us talking about all the positive applications for this and you come right out and say it, mass killing device

But you are correct in a sense, new discoveries do have a knack for being picked up and used for negative purposes.

edit on 26-3-2011 by Resentedhalo08 because: (no reason given)

We do have to be careful all the time...

Originally posted by mikepopy

Originally posted by CLPrime
reply to post by mikepopy

 

Ironically, I mentioned that on the first page, and it wouldn't work like that. The quantum signature of the substance would be what's transmitted, not the substance itself. There's a big difference between gassing a room with chlorine, and "gassing" it with the quantum scent signature of chlorine, which has nothing to do with the element, itself.

edit on 26-3-2011 by CLPrime because: (no reason given)

Excuse my english, and for discussions sake,
What if it doesnt only work that way, and there is some kind of other interaction of the body like lets say it just follows through with the command that it gets from chlorine?

There could certainly be psychosomatic (all-in-your-head) effects. That might actually be just as good a tool... instead of actually gassing people, make the people's minds think they're being gassed so they react in the same way. Other than that, there's no way for just the scent of a substance to cause the physiological effects of that substance. When something like carbon monoxide, for example, kills, it's because it's kept the blood from oxygenating. There's no way for the "scent" of carbon monoxide (if it had a scent) to replicate this.
But, again, there is the psychosomatic effect, which can be very effective.

reply to post by foreshadower99


I never judge whether or not to read a thread by the seniority of the author. Or of the author at all. I totally choose by the topic and my interest level in it.

I am fascinated by quantum physics, but very frustrated by my lack a good foundation in it. I think its way cool when physics bumps up against areas I do have some background in. Physics wasnt required for my major, but some day I hope to get at least a basic grounding in it so that I can get more out of cool articles like the one in the OP.

I think the further implications of this theory is going to branch out into a whole host of new quantum sense discoveries.

Infact, I can see telepathy becoming a reality in the future by using nano technology and possibly quantum entanglement, if thought's are all fundamentally on the quantum level it would only be a matter of time until the processes of how it can be transmitted to one source to another.

Interesting times indeed.

Originally posted by CLPrime

Originally posted by mikepopy

Originally posted by CLPrime
reply to post by mikepopy

 

Ironically, I mentioned that on the first page, and it wouldn't work like that. The quantum signature of the substance would be what's transmitted, not the substance itself. There's a big difference between gassing a room with chlorine, and "gassing" it with the quantum scent signature of chlorine, which has nothing to do with the element, itself.

edit on 26-3-2011 by CLPrime because: (no reason given)

Excuse my english, and for discussions sake,
What if it doesnt only work that way, and there is some kind of other interaction of the body like lets say it just follows through with the command that it gets from chlorine?

There could certainly be psychosomatic (all-in-your-head) effects. That might actually be just as good a tool... instead of actually gassing people, make the people's minds think they're being gassed so they react in the same way. Other than that, there's no way for just the scent of a substance to cause the physiological effects of that substance. When something like carbon monoxide, for example, kills, it's because it's kept the blood from oxygenating. There's no way for the "scent" of carbon monoxide (if it had a scent) to replicate this.
But, again, there is the psychosomatic effect, which can be very effective.

Thank you for your reply.
I was refering to the psychosomatic effect (thanks). So in a sense if it is advanced enough it can be used in any way they like. Yin Yen.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
I am fascinated by quantum physics, but very frustrated by my lack a good foundation in it. I think its way cool when physics bumps up against areas I do have some background in.

Yes same here

My area of expertise is computing and with current advancement I will have to start learning more and more about physics and especially quantum mechanics etc, I am excited also for the implication of quantum computing, I can see the next 100 years (if we survive them) being a new golden age for technological advancement.

I am certain that we will see the biological and technological begin to trade places and become interconected as the principals due to quantum effects etc make them so.

reply to post by bsbray11


I just sort of have my money on them finding out that things APPEAR to travel faster than the speed of light because time and space dont really work the way we think they do.

Im in the "time isnt real" camp. And I know, I admitted earlier to not being well grounding in physics, but I am well grounded in mystic philosophy and thats where my money is. That physics will one day "prove" what mystics discovered, "having searched in the heart with wisdom."

www.wsu.edu:8080...

Originally posted by Resentedhalo08
I think the further implications of this theory is going to branch out into a whole host of new quantum sense discoveries.

Infact, I can see telepathy becoming a reality in the future by using nano technology and possibly quantum entanglement, if thought's are all fundamentally on the quantum level it would only be a matter of time until the processes of how it can be transmitted to one source to another.

Interesting times indeed.

The past is present, and the future starts here...

reply to post by Resentedhalo08


That could certainly jumpstart the "World Wide Mind" project - humans interacting instantaneously through thought, via quantum entanglement, and those thoughts stored in a database of human consciousness, with one section devoted to containing the sum of our acquired knowledge. This puts our current knowledge within reach of every mind on the planet, which can then be used to further that knowledge, and to expand on the database.
It may start with something as innocent as smell, but it could certainly expand to something that none of us can even imagine.

And then Criss Angel would be out of a job,

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
Im in the "time isnt real" camp. And I know, I admitted earlier to not being well grounding in physics, but I am well grounded in mystic philosophy and thats where my money is.

I wholeheartedly agree with you,

Time is a funny thing in many ways, in a metaphysical way it is all down to perception and understanding and in a physics way it is how you define time and how you measure it.

Originally posted by CLPrime
There certainly is. And it is possible that QE represents information travelling between paired particles at faster than the speed of light. But, it's also possible that the effect called QE is entirely the result of the pairing, itself, from the time the two particles were created (and, thus, when they weren't separated by any distance at all).

If the two photos effectively weren't separated by any distance when they demonstrated entanglement, even while "actually" being many miles/kilometers apart, then that would imply either space or time or both are illusory and can be bypassed and are being bypassed. Any way you look at it this instantaneous stuff is an extremely interesting anomaly with our conventional understanding of physics. Hooray for birthing pains.

Originally posted by bsbray11
If the two photos effectively weren't separated by any distance when they demonstrated entanglement, even while "actually" being many miles/kilometers apart, then that would imply either space or time or both are illusory and can be bypassed and are being bypassed. Any way you look at it this instantaneous stuff is an extremely interesting anomaly with our conventional understanding of physics. Hooray for birthing pains.

It might actually be a little more complicated than that. I don't think it's a simple matter of "space is illusory" or "time is illusory"... I think it's more of a "space is a misrepresentation of reality at standard energies" kind of deal. But, again, that's just my theory (without actually explaining the theory). Regardless, as you say, instantaneous stuff is an extremely interesting anomaly.

reply to post by CLPrime


How about if the "database" were actually an intelligent consciousness that was the aggregate of all things, in all times, and all places, and access to it came simply from "remembering" on a deep and true level that "you" were the aggregate and not limited to the 'individual" experience.

On the mystic/philosophic level, thats what it looks like.

Very different word choices, but essentially what you said there is what it looks like to the mystic.