If you earn less than the average wage, you're not middle class. It's all a scam

If you earn less than the average wage, you're not middle class. It's all a scam

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Home-owning, self-reliance, a decent job for life, nice holidays, a taste for authenticity and real "experiences" came to define us. What we bought, rather than what we produced, became our core identity. As any fule kno, or OK, any old Marxist, this is not what social class actually means. This is reducing class to the trivia of etiquette and consumer power.

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Where are we as part of the global society today? This is a British article and applies to Americans the same scenario, our standing in the world today is in decline.

The problem now is that mere aspiration, middle-class or not, is not enough. As if it ever was. The much-derided aspiration of the young – to become famous without necessarily having any talent – is no less nutty than many current political aspirations. We are to have growth without investment. Daft. We are all to stand tall and proud while we lop off the limbs of the public sector. Crazy.

Does this scenario fit every country's people profile? I think not, many so-called "third-world" countries' people are feeling a new prosperity, theirs is up and coming in today's world. And the "leaders" of the western world, they hold all the power plays still, all the established industrial resources? No, that is the properties of their corporate counterparts, those whose economic interests lie elswhere now, and they hold no allegiance to any government or its people.



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reply to post by Erongaricuaro

The problem is that we are being defined and we have been, believing those definitions. From there on we follow the leader of that definition. Be The solution is easy, drop believing definitions. Devalue the definitions, they are all bull. The human bullies are playing the same old card, let’s just burn it and devalue the bull.

I dont like labels, no need for them.

Why do we need a class system on what you earn? Can't we just all be human beings?

Personally I am way under the middle class standard I am poor and happy as a clam. I don't need money or material things to be happy and personally I blame most the middle class for all the debt because they wanted to keep up with the RICH and basically funded their middle class style on credit and now they can't pay it back. Don't live beyond your means!

society has told everyone through advertising, media and misdirection "you can be rich too."

Everyone aspires to be kings of their own little domain, they try and keep up with the jones, buy luxaries that mean nothing to them. All because on some subconcious level they think if they act like they've got money maybe its true.

I honestly don't know what class I would claim aligence to even if I decided to, its a left over british mentality from the 19 century that were slowly shaking.

Civilization is just a giant pyramid scheme and I'm right at the bottom.

poverty at a level unseen in the UK since the 19th century is coming but people just carry on getting loans and lying to themselves that some day they'll be rich

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Home-owning, self-reliance, a decent job for life, nice holidays, a taste for authenticity and real "experiences", What is wrong with those values? Nothing really, a little bland for the adventuresome entrepreneurial souls among us perhaps, but there is nothing wrong with aspiring to have that sort of comfort and security, excpt that for more folks these day those are what is now becoming difficult to attain, further beyond their reach. So those are the values it is becoming "the vogue" to denounce. Western culture finds it fashionable now to be poor. Soon it will be patriotic to "have not."

Why do the former "poor countries" people feel a surge of uplift into the "midde-class"? Well, with consumer goods being equal in the civilized world and all things now coming cheaply from China the people living in those countries that were not funding wars and seeking global domination are finding life's trivialities are becoming more attainable. It's their turn to have the "American Dream" and America's turn to find solace in slumber in hopes of finding a new dream.

reply to post by Erongaricuaro

The problem nowdays wiht kids is they don't wnat to invest. If they don't have talent they just give up. My grandparents didn't do that. They knew htey had to invest and worked hard.

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I think it is frightening that by denouncing western culture and claiming how great it is to be poor a "Have Not" we are in essence neutering our ability to have any freedom or control over our lives.

I wonder if the issue isn't so much the values of independence, home ownership, freedom to travel etc as it is a desire to own a BMW and Hummer along with a house packed with Wal-E specials. I think that what this is saying. The influx of garbage has tricked people into thinking they are middle class because they can have junk that makes it look like they are...

The problem is they are dismantling the middle class and while the rich are even richer than before, intend everyone to be a serf. And this has nothing to do with money, I don't bleive in slavery/banks/money, but I do believe in no limits, equally prosperous unto infinity with clean technology.

So we have en enormous propaganda machine going on.

reply to post by Erongaricuaro


The only scam is thinking that you can't be rich.... Of course you can be rich... Anyone can, it's a mindset.


I was totally broke and had nothing, then I started using magick and now im richer financially than I have ever been.... But that's not where happiness comes from, it comes from being your own God and realizing that only you and the limits of your imagination are responsible for writing your own story.

Opportunities and resources are everywhere, if you just know how to look for them.

reply to post by HunkaHunka


if you think everyone can be rich you are truly a doofuss.. there can only be rich people if there are poor people. think of a pendulum.

sure everyone can be a millionaire but then it would be like zimbabwe where a can of corn cost say $5,000.

do you actually believe anyone/everyone can be rich.

p.s., im not calling you a doofuss, just someone who thinks anyone or everyone can be "rich".

Originally posted by rebeldog
reply to post by HunkaHunka

 

if you think everyone can be rich you are truly a doofuss.. there can only be rich people if there are poor people. think of a pendulum.

sure everyone can be a millionaire but then it would be like zimbabwe where a can of corn cost say $5,000.

do you actually believe anyone/everyone can be rich.

p.s., im not calling you a doofuss, just someone who thinks anyone or everyone can be "rich".

Everyone can be rich... No offense taken... I understand what you are trying to say, but if you believe that you can't be rich without others being poor, then i would say "doofuss" is a good term for that... Or limited.

Life is not a closed system.... Life uses what's available in the environment, whatever that is...

Everyone has the ability to be rich... Everyone

reply to post by HunkaHunka


being rich means to have more than others right?

like a guy with $10,000,000 is a rich guy.(5% of the population0
a guy with $10,000 is at least not a rich guy (the rest)

a rich guy has a rolls royce, mansions, lake house, neach house, kids go to 40k a year boarding school, etc

how can everyone have that.. i am really confused. unless you mean everyone can change their name to richard, then yes, everyone can be rich

Nothing gets under my skin more than someone talking or bitching about money. Its right there. Go get it. But the fact that your so focused on it, will probably prevent you from ever making any.

Listen. If you have food,entertainment, hot water,heat,sanitation, and more than one source of water running into your abode, you are rich beyond the wildest dreams of about 99% of the humans that have ever lived. you are living like a veritable king. Light bulbs? wow, im rich compared to all the waxed and singed hands of people that had to make and use candles. Oh, its chilly in here, turn up the thermostat. Compare that to a guy that was nagged into getting another arm full of logs so his drafty home would stay warm.

You fools go on and on about the Illuminati and the elite or rich.Without them you would still be beating away the evils spirits with sticks, while covered in mud and your own feces. You have the internet and your still this ignorant?

Originally posted by rebeldog
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being rich means to have more than others right?

No it doesn't.. Being rich has nothing to do with how much others have, it has to do with how much you have...

Measuring yourself in terms of others is how much unhappiness is created.

like a guy with $10,000,000 is a rich guy.(5% of the population0
a guy with $10,000 is at least not a rich guy (the rest)

a rich guy has a rolls royce, mansions, lake house, neach house, kids go to 40k a year boarding school, etc

how can everyone have that.. i am really confused. unless you mean everyone can change their name to richard, then yes, everyone can be rich

Everyone can be rich... However most people don't believe they can be rich, so they never try. It's also very difficult for people who are unhappy with little money to get more...

Once again.... Being rich or wealthy has no bearing on what others have... It has to do with you and your mindset

Now obviously if everyone was rich, most people would have to find another reason to justify their unhappiness, because happiness does not stem from wealth, wealth stems from happiness.

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Here Here!

reply to post by HunkaHunka


we may be going round and round.. my wife says we are rich, i say we are flat broke. paid off house can't afford to renovate it.

to me rich means being able to buy what you want when you want it. rich means kids getting to go to the best schools, colleges, yearly vacations to different countries, never stressing over bills. Never worrying about car breaking down because its new.

i understand Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Warren Buffet, Saudi royality, prince Charles are rich.
I have 2 not new cars, no armani suits, no rolex, no servants. i imagine you gotta have a couple servants to be considered rich??

having enough money to be able to stockpile food, buy a farm with a creek, build it, run it, hire ranch hands,etc

so, what is your meaning of rich?

I'm Not middle Class - I'm wayyy lower than that and proud of it!

I'm 43, own my own home (a condo with 280 dollar maintenance fees per month), something for transportation in the form of my wonderful Electric bike - it has a range of 20 miles between charges, and can do 25 MPH - I beat most traffic to my destination when they are going 35 mph because I don't have to use the same streets, traffic lanes or deal with pile ups or traffic lights. I use this to go everywhere and can carry a lot. Cost - less than 1000 dollars and I have no insurance or gas or even a valid drivers license. I have a boat, I have many computers TV's and other modern toys. Same as everyone else.

I work to acquire the things I want/need as I go and do not work when I don't have to. I have tons of stuff and am Happy as is my wife. We are not all caught up in the "Must work all the time to keep up with the Jones's attitude"

Finding Money legally is easy when your "jobless" if you just have a few skills and adjust your way of thinking about work and the world around you. I make ends meet and have left over for savings.

Most importantly I have TIME to do the things I want to do. Fish, learn new things, enjoy my family. No need to have to work to make payments on the SUV that's not needed or the Big 2 story house that's not needed. I do Not use credit cards but buy everything with cash. I have No credit score, don't care about that crap cus it's just a scam to make money off the masses and keep them in financial servitude. Let them keep their scam.
. in fact.. I don't have a bank account - don't trust em. Modern Banking systems are there for Them to make money on You. I do use a wal-mart money card for convenience sake - this is like the best dirt cheap pre-paid credit card.

If you have a large family Granted you may not be able to live this way - But I'll bet dollars to doughnuts you have lots of un-needed expenses your working for and are going to work for the rest of your life that's going to one day drain you dry. You will miss out on many of the pleasures of life by not keeping things simple.

I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth and after working for 20 years I decided there has to be a better easier way. Sure I would like more money or more new things but I cannot see me wasting my short life trying to acquire these things and leaving less time for the really important stuff - which is Living not Working. Most people fall into that trap and when they are old wish they had done things differently. Not me.

Some people go to college and spend the rest of their life trying to pay back loans. Some can pull it off and be successful but many don't. There are many folks with Masters degrees that can't find jobs. If you fall into this category and just can't seem to make it in the Jones's world I encourage you to adjust your thinking about life and why your trying to work yourself to death for little gain. You can have everything you want and need if you only lose the job mentality and approach life a little different.

(BTW, my wife has her car, but that's her thing - I'll let her have it cus she's too big for the bike)

reply to post by rebeldog


Anyone can be rich, not everyone. Without getting into esoteric "I'm rich because I have love and shelter" stuff.

I the US at least everyone has the opportunity to become wealthy. For those who were born into it that is because their ancestors worked hard for it so their descendants could have it easier. If one's ancestors never played the acquire wealth game it isn't too late for you to do it and pass it on to your descendants.