There are Ways to Fight Opiate ADDICTION,Suboxone...PLEASE Read...

I am starting this because recently there have been an increase in overdoses. I live in a smaller community and it seems to effect everyone in one way or another. And I know that there are many others experiancing this situation too. This thread is to inform many that care to be informed that there are many ways to fight opiate addiction.That for people themselves or for their loved ones or friends that if they find themselves to be lost that there are ways to save a life from furthering down the path that many people never come back from. My girlfriend and also myself are both former addicts. I know that many know this already but here is a link that describes opiate addiction in more detail...OPIATE ADDICTION...I find it to be very sad that many people sometimes dont know what to do or how to go about helping themselves or others that have this "addiction" disease. This link is for people that dont realize how many famous people not just regular people like you and me are effected by this disease...Famous ADDicts...It reaches much further than the streets or bad neighbor hoods...Both of us seemed to be lost for awhile until we realized that we couldnt live the life we were living anymore. That if we kept on doing what we were doing that we would end up like many of our good friends who were too far gone in their struggle. We heard for awhile that there was a medication called Suboxone that helps with the withdrawls and lets addicts attempt to live a normal life...SUBOXONE...With this link you will be able not only to read about what Suboxone is but what it can do to help people who are struggling. There is also a way on this link to actually find the specialist doctors closest to you to be able to attempt to reach for help with this... now Im not saying it is as easy as just popping a pill. It also takes dedication and the want to stay clean...NA...It also takes groups like this one in this link to help stay clean and sober. It has helped both myself and my girlfriend in more ways than I can explain. I have tried to give as much infomation as I can in the easiest way that I could. I hope that if nothing more this thread helps even one person than it would make my day. I JUST HOPE PEOPLE TAKE THIS DISEASE SERIOSLY and if nothing else at least take away from this thread that there are ways to get back to living life the way it should be lived. SO PLEASE if anyone is in danger or knows someone who is please dont hesitate to pass on the infomation in this thread...and please im not trying to preach just to inform...DENY IGNORANCE right?

Are you on methadone? If not, how long did it take for you to kick methadone? I have a few old friends and an aunt that survived their bouts off opiate addiction, and hope is slim that they will kick methadone. Thanks for the info. I was going ask you if this helps methadone users, but Ill read the link first. Thx again.

reply to post by AnimositisominA


Suboxone is much like Methodone but easier to ween off of...every medication there is some sort of ween off that has to occur but Suboxone is the best way to go in my opinion

I don't know, it all seems like a trade off, and that site makes you believe the body can't ever heal itself without another drug. I'm not trying to deny any of what you wrote, but I have had my own dealing with such things....
Although I am sure it helps some people, but does nothing for others....everyone's situation is different....I personally don't trust alot of the new drugs....

reply to post by jetflock


its not new...its been around for awhile and its for people that have tried with no luck...its something that is intended to help those who are having difficulties doin it themselves

yeah but its the same old crap. I'm no stranger to addiction, and I have scene alot of people get clean and go right back. I still think the best thing to do is educate our society better to avoid these problems in the first place. If the drug helps it helps, but your most likely just becoming addicted to something new that would warp ones brain. How much does it cost? Do you have health insurance?

the bottom line is the government doesn't care enough about people. And the majority of people destroyed by drugs are expendable to the powers that be.

reply to post by gdaub23


I too know about opiate addiction all too well from personal experience, It sounds like you really care about people and want to help, but I disagree with recommending these big pharma drugs for a number of reasons. Being on an alternative site and all I thought id mention an alternative, one that imo is better than any of the pharmaceutical options.

Want a real, natural solution to opiate addiction? One word: Ibogaine

The friendly people from companies like suboxone in cooperation with tptb have probably managed to ban this natural plant in you local area so you would have to check legality, but assuming your in the states...im sure there are rehabs set up in both Canada and Mexico that have it.

Its results are just incredible. It causes deep mental introspection and you just come to realize what you doing and how to change..its indescribable how it gives you the realization and insight.....you also experience either no or very little withdrawal symptoms!! and unlike other tapering drugs you have the epiphany and mental breakthroughs that allow you to stay clean the rest of your life. Its like a re-birth.

You can read some experiences here.. www.erowid.org...

It has long been used by tribes for spiritual practices... here's a doco on it.



I just want to put the name of it out there, if any reader were serious about trying it they would have to do a lot of their own research.

I know the part about no withdrawal sounds impossible, but trust me, im not sure how it works it just does.

reply to post by polarwarrior


thanks for sharing this...i will need to check up on this and see more into it...star for your furhtering my knowledge

reply to post by jetflock


its suprisingly not that much especially if you do have some sort of insurance...but really if you think about it,spending a few hundred dollars on something that can save your life or the thousands of dallars it cost to keep a habit going...

Suboxone withdrawal is hardly easier than Methadone withdrawal over the long-term.
Good luck with that.

There is a solution. Complete abstinence.

I know.

Originally posted by gdaub23
reply to post by jetflock

 

its suprisingly not that much especially if you do have some sort of insurance...but really if you think about it,spending a few hundred dollars on something that can save your life or the thousands of dallars it cost to keep a habit going...

Or, one could save ALL that money and quit ALL of the drugs.

Trust me...it works. But one generally can't do it alone. Get a sponsor. Worked for me. 2 years sober.

Think of the family, not yourself. Ask for help. And be honest with yourself.

Maybe I'm mistaking your deal here, brother.

Using Suboxone/Subutex to ween off opiates works, sure. A 5-day taper. Anything else seems to this fellow in recovery to just be a new addiction.

In fact, that's exactly what it is.

I urge anyone dealing with this crushing disease to reach out for help [AA NA CA WhicheverA], get honest, get a sponsor, and stop deluding yourself that any drug is going to replace another drug.

Different seats on the Titanic, amigo.

NA, right?

reply to post by ItsTheQuestion


NA might of worked for you but your definitely in the minority. Such cults have an abominable failure rate compared to other methods.

Check this website out.....
www.orange-papers.org...


There is a reason why the 12 step programs have been popularized by various types of mainstream media such an news, movies and TV, it ties into other theories like the CIA being the biggest smack dealers, big pharma, war on drugs, Illuminati and TPTB. A method that makes peoples addictions worse thereby increasing drug use all under the guise of trying to help, it has been made a household name by TPTB and so is often the first thing people turn to so they are steered away from options that could really help. NA falls perfectly into the plan of increasing the use of drugs, I know it sounds counter-intuitive, just like how the war on drugs increases drug use, but thats what the statistics show.

reply to post by gdaub23


I wouldn't listen to that other poster about just quitting cold turkey without a taper of some sort. Your far better on the suboxone than doing that.

One could and probably would kill yourself. Even if its just alcohol alone, for instance the mortality rate for untreated DT's(acute alcohol withdrawal) is 35% !.

If anyone you know is thinking of doing NA or AA just advise them to do a bit of their own research from various sources before hand.

Effectiveness of 12 step programs

Originally posted by polarwarrior
reply to post by ItsTheQuestion

 

NA might of worked for you but your definitely in the minority. Such cults have an abominable failure rate compared to other methods.

Check this website out.....
www.orange-papers.org...


There is a reason why the 12 step programs have been popularized by various types of mainstream media such an news, movies and TV, it ties into other theories like the CIA being the biggest smack dealers, big pharma, war on drugs, Illuminati and TPTB. A method that makes peoples addictions worse thereby increasing drug use all under the guise of trying to help, it has been made a household name by TPTB and so is often the first thing people turn to so they are steered away from options that could really help. NA falls perfectly into the plan of increasing the use of drugs, I know it sounds counter-intuitive, just like how the war on drugs increases drug use, but thats what the statistics show.

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Yeah.

I've read the Orange Papers. It's very interesting stuff.

NA didn't "work" for me. Never said that it did. I mentioned it because the OP did. Not to say that a 12-Step Program is without merit; quite the contrary. NA is simply not the one I'd recommend.

What has worked for me is helping others like they've helped me.

And all it seems that you're doing in your post is parroting what you've read in the site you linked to. Where are the statistics that show what you claim? Have you ever maintained sobriety through a 12-Step Program? Or, were you unable to get over your own problems and thus blamed somebody else for your failure?

Whichever the case may be, you're certainly not alone.

I wish you well.

Originally posted by polarwarrior
reply to post by gdaub23

 

I wouldn't listen to that other poster about just quitting cold turkey without a taper of some sort. Your far better on the suboxone than doing that.

Did you not read what I wrote before?

Using Suboxone/Subutex to ween off opiates works, sure. A 5-day taper. Anything else seems to this fellow in recovery to just be a new addiction.

One could and probably would kill yourself. Even if its just alcohol alone, for instance the mortality rate for untreated DT's(acute alcohol withdrawal) is 35% !.

If anyone you know is thinking of doing NA or AA just advise them to do a bit of their own research from various sources before hand.

Effectiveness of 12 step programs

Do you have any first-hand experience with any of this? Including staying completely free of all drugs and alcohol? Just wondering.

Alcohol detox is not opiate detox.

It should all be medically supervised.

And if you think Suboxone is somehow not another tool of the druggists to feed to a dumbed-down consumer culture, you're foolish.

Originally posted by polarwarrior
reply to post by gdaub23

 

I wouldn't listen to that other poster about just quitting cold turkey without a taper of some sort. Your far better on the suboxone than doing that.

One could and probably would kill yourself. Even if its just alcohol alone, for instance the mortality rate for untreated DT's(acute alcohol withdrawal) is 35% !.

If anyone you know is thinking of doing NA or AA just advise them to do a bit of their own research from various sources before hand.

Effectiveness of 12 step programs

There is such a huge difference between alcohol withdrawal and opiate withdrawal that calling it apples and oranges just can't do it justice. Withdrawal form severe alcohol dependency needs to be medically supervised because of the high chances of death due to seizures. Opiate withdrawal,while an insufferable agony, has a very minuscule chance of fatality. In fact I was turned away from a detox unit because they needed the extra beds for 3 alcoholics the police were bringing in. In my opinion going on methadone or anything else is simply trading drug dealers from street dealers to government shills selling snake oil because they now have a lifelong customer.

Truth: Suboxone withdrawal is wayyy worse than Oxycodone withdrawal.

Subs are a crutch.

Originally posted by peter vlar

Opiate withdrawal,while an insufferable agony, has a very minuscule chance of fatality.

I befriended a guy in rehab one time and about 6months later when I was back at the same place I asked one of the nurses how he was doing and he said he was dead and I asked "what from overdose"? and he said "no, he passed on during detox." He was a healthy young guy who wasn't a poly-user. The chance might be low but its definitely there, then of course there's the increased suicide risk. I know its really rare to die from it, I might have exaggerated as that one is close to my heart and instantly came to mind, he was there for me in a really low time of my life, I guess it was a real wake up because I have been sober ever since that stay.

reply to post by polarwarrior


im sorry for your friend and ypur loss but its good to hear that you saved yourself