Please help me understand humans (I have autism)...

I guess this isn't really a rant because it is not written out of anger, hatred, or spite. Yet it is like a rant, but I suppose it is different.

Greetings, Peoplekind (mankind isn't accurate because it excludes women, intersexed, and children). I am a young person living on their own in the world. I was diagnosed with autism so this isn't an easy thing to do. Many people confuse me with their antics, I become fearful, and thus I spend most of my time in the company of pursuits like science, mathematics, and other knowledge.

While I do not interact with people, I do observe them. Please help me understand humans. I seem to not think anything like them.

Why do topics that are unfair, negative, and violent get many page views and comments while this fair and reflective post will probably not surpass 4 pages in length?

Theory: Humans would rather live in the negativity rather than fuel any positivity.

Why is it that I can get along with all races, all religions, rich and poor, male and female by simply respecting their differences and trying to understand them rather than judge them?

Theory: Humans like to be separated rather than be part of the whole.

Can you tell me why people are willing to judge and treat others based on a small, insignificant aspect like skin color, reproductive organs, religion, or sexual orientation instead of trying to understand the person as a whole?

Theory: Humanity is unwise because it assumes it knows the whole by a part.

What did Jesus, a figure in the Christian religion, mean when he said, "The truth will set you free"?

Theory: He most likely meant that humanity traps or makes itself machine-like in religion, culture, and bizarre rituals that claim to be the truths over each other. When people realize that truth can truly be nothing man-made because the truth transcends, humanity as a whole will become open minded and be "freed" from being trapped. Maybe even become open minded.

You better be taking the piss, I have family who have autism and they would never come to an internet forum to ask for help due to a lack of social interaction you sad person.

autism wiki

It sounded a little dramatic to me also.

Plus they do not ever ponder anything... why am I here, where did I come from etc. and they almost certainly never structure any writing in a way that shows empathy or 3rd party understanding, your post is written in way that understands that a 3rd party will be reading it and is structured in a way that will "help" other people understand it, an autistic person will not care if another person understands their reasoning they will simply declare it, you are a sad. sad person who has taken a disability to your advantage.. rott in hell.

reply to post by DavinciThales


Well, humans just don't know what they are doing to they're only home. But do harmful things to it anyway... It's just the way the human race is. By the way no minds think the same way. But why would you look for help on a forum? Why not just look it up on google? My sister was born with autism and she talks to herself without knowing it. Plus she memorizes conversations and plays them back in her head in which she acts them out so if your joking about being autistic I'll make sure you get banned.

Are there forms of mild autism or pervasive developmental disorder?

Children with mild autism or pervasive developmental disorder may have behaviors which are not so conspicuous. These children may, in fact, have normal or above-average intellectual ability. Their manifestations of autistic behavior may include a lack of any ability to make friendships with other children, although they can relate to family members and to adults. They sometimes seem to misunderstand or to have difficulty picking up how to speak or respond to others, they may misinterpret a social gesture, or they may have difficulty in enjoying a joke. Although their speech may be adequate, it may be hard for them to initiate or carry on a conversation even though they may indulge in a lengthy discourse on a single subject, regardless of the response or interest of others. See also Asperger's Syndrome below.

Source.

On ATS we have healthy discourse. We offer theories and counter theories. We debate points in a civil manner and without personal attacks or abusive statements.

It is fine to disagree with the OP. It is NOT OK to do so in a rude manner.

Hefficide
ATS Moderator

Take it easy on the guy! What if he does have autism and you scared him off? Not cool. I think he has a unique perspective to offer and it is interesting.

Thumbs up OP!

Originally posted by Hefficide

Are there forms of mild autism or pervasive developmental disorder?

Children with mild autism or pervasive developmental disorder may have behaviors which are not so conspicuous. These children may, in fact, have normal or above-average intellectual ability. Their manifestations of autistic behavior may include a lack of any ability to make friendships with other children, although they can relate to family members and to adults. They sometimes seem to misunderstand or to have difficulty picking up how to speak or respond to others, they may misinterpret a social gesture, or they may have difficulty in enjoying a joke. Although their speech may be adequate, it may be hard for them to initiate or carry on a conversation even though they may indulge in a lengthy discourse on a single subject, regardless of the response or interest of others. See also Asperger's Syndrome below.

Source.

On ATS we have healthy discourse. We offer theories and counter theories. We debate points in a civil manner and without personal attacks or abusive statements.

It is fine to disagree with the OP. It is NOT OK to do so in a rude manner.

Hefficide
ATS Moderator

Well that's fine for you to get that from google and declare yourself an expert and thus not delete this thread (which the OP has suddenly disappeared from) but trust me this is BS.

MOD's link

3, 2, 1 this post is deleted....

reply to post by roughycannon


I agree,
My son has autism and he'd be lucky to spell his name and couldn't interact.
Now he may have mild Asperger syndrome but I've never heard, "Hi, I have Autism".

No one should ever make fun of these people, they live in another world.

regards

reply to post by roughycannon


At what point did I claim to be an expert about this issue? Or on anything for that matter? The link provided shows that there are varying degrees of autism. Knowing a person, or people, with this problem does not make you an expert at anything either.

Moreover, my point was about civility. I'd honestly and strongly advise it be heeded.

Hefficide
ATS Moderator

I worked with Autism - This guy is not Autistic - if he is then he is a Savant which mean he has more answers than question - which means he is not a Savant - He's is someone who has tried to think up a way to get the attention he craves.
Having no more difficulty with life than any one of us.

Originally posted by roughycannon
You better be taking the piss, I have family who have autism and they would never come to an internet forum to ask for help due to a lack of social interaction you sad person.

autism wiki

You didn't have to disrespect him on the forum. If he's asking for help in general, then hell, help him!! Don't bash him and immediately assume he's lying.

Manners?

My son has PPD, he can have a conversation, and get along with many people but not always know his place in a group. I am appalled that someone can come here and be honest, and because you dont think they act or sound or even type, disabled enough for you, you decide to be rude.

OP please be aware that not everyone feels this way, and I hope that you will return, you have posted a very nice topic.

Peace, NRE.

reply to post by Hefficide


I don't think I've ever had more respect earned from me than I had when reading your post. This was by far the most mature thing I have ever read online by anyone. Whether or not the OP was sincere or not we have no way of knowing, but the objectivity and discipline you showed here was remarkable.

I prefer to stay out of the muck so to speak and to just absorb the information here, but in this case I couldn't let such a commendable act go unacknowledged.

reply to post by DavinciThales


If this is true, then kudos to you for opening up to us. It's a shame that some of us here have proven you right on how humans tend to prefer on the negative side of things.

I believe that's what is meant when Jesus said that too. It is true to all, in a world layered with beliefs and rituals, pursuit of truth would set one in the direction of freedom of sight, and hopefully lead to the freedom of living.

I did a lil study on autism. It's interesting.

Nice post op, I often wonder the same myself and often engage in similar discourse with my friends, who think I am too idealist in my ideas, which may be true.

In my opinion people generally will make assumptions based on the little information they have which they believe to be complete. Take for example our friends roughycannon's response. He automatically assumed you are lying because he is not aware of the entirety of autism and how it effects people differently.

Why do people do this?

people are insecure, scared of looking like a fool they will pretend to know more, wanting to be the smartest or best at something because admitting they are not would mean they are failures. I also dislike this trait in peoplekind and regardless of whether he is right or not, roughycannon owes you and everyone else in this forum an apology. But he will probably never offer it because of the safety the internet provides, the anonymity.

Humanity will never evolve past this, most people will never achieve the wisdom you have in you so they will fight, argue, war, steal, feel jealous, angry, ashamed and it is all fuel to the fire. Most people will ever admit they are like this, so they will never try to improve. I am like this, and I try to improve.

You make a very good point, something i learned years ago. Remove judgment from your life and you can find happiness. don't worry so much about everyone else and worry for yourself and your family's welfare. I believe the truth that set me free is the realization that truth is different for everyone, we have our own truths it is as individual as our fingerprints and accepting that allows me to accept people for who they are.

Good luck to you and on behalf of roughycannon I apologize, for his behavior and for all of peoplekind.

Oh, and for those who think they know what the limitations of autistim are.

Originally posted by roughycannon
You better be taking the piss, I have family who have autism and they would never come to an internet forum to ask for help due to a lack of social interaction you sad person.

autism wiki

Your ignorance is hindering the discussion in this thread. The OP also mentioned that we tend to overestimate our knowledge when we've only known a little bit of it. I believe you have made yourself an example of the theory.

People here should stop treating autism like it's an embarrassing disease and protect their idea of it like it's their religion.

I can't believe he's getting shot down not by his points or theories, but by simply stating that he's autistic. The icing on that terrible cake is the fact that this is happening here on ATS.

reply to post by DavinciThales

Why do topics that are unfair, negative, and violent get many page views and comments while this fair and reflective post will probably not surpass 4 pages in length? Theory: Humans would rather live in the negativity rather than fuel any positivity.

As someone who recently started a thread that was viewed as probably all of those things, I can say that most of the time it is not the intent of the OP to do any of those things, but rather to gather additional perspectives and insights from people that think different than they do. I don’t think the majority of people like to live in negativity, but we tend to react more to something negative than something positive. The negative seems to appall us as a race while the positive tends to be a more personal feeling.

Why is it that I can get along with all races, all religions, rich and poor, male and female by simply respecting their differences and trying to understand them rather than judge them? Theory: Humans like to be separated rather than be part of the whole.

I don’t think your theory necessarily follows from your description, but I will play along anyways. People do like to be separate and individuality is one of the characteristics of being human. If everyone thought the same and behaved the same there would be no advancement and also life would be incredibly boring. Although, I think a good example of the just the opposite is what you saw happen here. One person responded negatively to your OP and then many others jumped on the bandwagon. When people get together they often have a propensity to “groupthink”. I see it happen here a lot.

Can you tell me why people are willing to judge and treat others based on a small, insignificant aspect like skin color, reproductive organs, religion, or sexual orientation instead of trying to understand the person as a whole? Theory: Humanity is unwise because it assumes it knows the whole by a part.

What you’re referring to is a stereotype and most people don’t buy into them. The people that do buy into them are typically uneducated and tend to act out in a more noticeable way than someone who is respectful of others so it gets more attention.

I will leave the last one alone.

Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by roughycannon

 

At what point did I claim to be an expert about this issue? Or on anything for that matter? The link provided shows that there are varying degrees of autism. Knowing a person, or people, with this problem does not make you an expert at anything either.

Moreover, my point was about civility. I'd honestly and strongly advise it be heeded.

Hefficide
ATS Moderator

My 9 year old is up the stairs and my wife is in bed and Im sitting here in the living room nearly crying! if you knew what I know from 9 years of dealing with autism you would understand my frustration the link you have provided is showing degrees.'s of autism to think you know it all or think you know the variations of it is insulting.

I came on here out of interest but to hear a MOD defending a troll is just sad, there is no way a person with autism in any degree would produce a post as coherent as that! trust me I know what I'm talking about...

I'd honestly and strongly advise it be heeded.

So now you are threatening me because my child has autism?

I'm sorry if my child has this and it upset's your forum, but do you wan't tell Alna this in person? because I can easily arrange this for you...

reply to post by roughycannon


I think you're lying, you dont have an autistic child.

How does that feel?