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Originally posted by RRokkyy
So again, how are these things unconstitutional?edit on 24-3-2011 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Originally posted by RRokkyy
When you stop believing in the inalienable rights of the people you cease to be human.
This country was founded on that principle of inalienable rights and the idea of freedom.
If you dont have the basic freedom of your own body then you are a slave.
Originally posted by RRokkyy
The collecting of taxes to fund Unconstitutional Undeclared Wars of Aggression like the Vietnam
Conflict in which 5,000,000 ( five million is no misprint) southeast Asians were murdered makes those taxes illegal.
Originally posted by RRokkyy
Of course you are only following the orders of those in power.
Originally posted by RRokkyy
"The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." That's the 9th Amendment, this lays out that whole idea of rights existing apart from the Constitution. And then we have: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." That's the 10th Amendment and that has to do with delegation of powers and the idea of limited government.
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Originally posted by FrancoUn-American
reply to post by WJjeeper
sp what your really trying to say is you hate cops
Originally posted by WJjeeper
all your doing is twisting my words around (which you cops are known to do), im not going to argue about this anymore. as stated before i have respect for Peace Officers- those that maintain the peace while NOT enforcing arbitrary statutes. LEOs enforce statutory code (hence, Law Enforcement).
Originally posted by WJjeeper
let me make a few points here,
as i understand miranda rights- The Miranda warning is not a condition of detention, but rather a safeguard against self-incrimination; as a result, if law enforcement officials decline to offer a Miranda warning to an individual in their custody, they may still interrogate that person and act upon the knowledge gained, but may not use that person's statements to incriminate him or her in a criminal trial. (wikipedia)
so yes you are correct, you dont have to read me my mirandas, but if you gain incriminating evidence of me comitting a crime; it cant be used against me in court.- learned something new
Originally posted by WJjeeper
im just asking you to realize, 3/4 of the laws these days are completely unnecessary and malevolant to the american people. they are there for two reasons- CONTROL AND MONEY. You should realize you are working for the most corrupt organization on the face of the planet. THAT, is why i have a problem with LEOs.
Originally posted by WJjeeper
what i was saying is, if i walk away from you and you are saying stop (im not doing anything illegal), whats the fine line of "police investigation"?maybe you were investigating that shady looking guy walking down the street? you can act on "reasonable suspicion" cant you? what is "reasonable"? it would be your word against mine.
Originally posted by WJjeeper
the 4th amendment applies to the people as a safeguard from governement- so your point is invalid.
dont even bring race into this.
Originally posted by WJjeeper
And honestly, id rather not deal with internal affairs... ever, ive heard they are bigger assholes than you guys. i would also like to say, i would never reach for a cops gun, that was stupid to even say.
Originally posted by FrancoUn-American
reply to post by paraphi
No man the cops do as they please, as soon as they step out of the car at a traffic stop, they have their hand on there weapon. They stop and talk to u on the street they put a hand on their weapon.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
Originally posted by WJjeeper
Also, people use the term Peace Officer and Police Officer in a manner that suggests they are different, when in reality they are one in the same.
If you can do me a favor, please explain to me what you think the difference is between the 2.
Thanks
well this is the best definition ive found for a law enforcement officer-
Law-enforcement officers have the result of generating revenue for the political machinery,and this generation of revenue focus; often means that they actually disturb the peace (ie. causing violence and anarchy by arresting peaceful users of marijuana, prostitutes, etc)
a Peace officer is one who is trained to keep the peace, and does not enforce arbitrary statutory law. a peace officer adheres to the enforcement of the common law.
edit on 25-3-2011 by WJjeeper because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by byteshertz
The problem stems from people believing that officers are enforcing the law.
Under the law you are innocent until proven guilty.
But to an officer you are guilty until proven innocent - as the cop's in here have stated, they go in expecting a worst case scenario - and really you can't blame them they have to put their life first.
The problem with this mindset though is it is inhumane - and the reason I say this is because human nature is to assume that most people are good, but the cop enters ever situation assuming they are bad.
I am not anti cops in anyway because we would not have the society we have without them but I also do not like that we have the society we have because of them.
IMO if someone really wants to kill you they will find a way - no amount of expecting the worse will prevent it - they could shoot you before you even stepped out of the squad car. I think having the "worst case scenario" mindset probably kills more innocents than it protects, and probably does little to effect those that were planning on killing an officer... just my opinion though.
Originally posted by LoverBoy
reply to post by thewanger
Killing cops in the name of freedom? You must be joking. LEO's help enforce laws such as murder like you just proclaimed will be done to them. It wont happen, as soon as you tried, those of us in the military will gladly side with our LEO brothers and eliminate the threat.edit on 25-3-2011 by LoverBoy because: (no reason given)