Department of Defense (USA) Shutdown

I wasn't sure where to put this and wasn't sure why a search revealed nothing but
Why would the DOD sacrifice the military and not foreign aid?

militaryadvantage.military.com...

that was from March 17, 2011


militaryadvantage.military.com...

this is from yesterday march 23.

they don't or can't pay the military? active and reserve and the veterans? exactly who do you think will defend the country, a collection of local bands of poorly organized citizens or militias?

Well now..

This is turning into a bit of a worrying situation, isn't it?

My mom is retired from the government and recieves a pension from it, and has been concerned that a shutdown would end up stopping her payments, as well.

looks like the state is once again throwing their once proud war heroes under the bus. This alone should indicate to anyone in the armed services that it's not good to be a soldier. If they haven't figured out yet that we are the bad guys this will help them realize.

Originally posted by filosophia
looks like the state is once again throwing their once proud war heroes under the bus. This alone should indicate to anyone in the armed services that it's not good to be a soldier. If they haven't figured out yet that we are the bad guys this will help them realize.

No offense to others that think........."get what you can"

I am prior service and refused a disability. I can still function and just because I'm eligible dosen't mean I was going to accept it.

The way I see it, by them not paying our servicemen and women, they are insuring that if the SHTF, they will take our sides and not theirs. We could take back our country if civilians had Servicemen on our side, and do so easily.

You people and your niggling problems. Whine, whine, whine. How is my family supposed to survive, what are we supposed to do, live in caves? Waah, waah, waah.

How the hell are we supposed to keep the privileged afloat in their luxury yachts and living in the style to which they are accustomed if all we do is complain? Now shut up and get to work!

Originally posted by Ex_CT2
You people and your niggling problems. Whine, whine, whine. How is my family supposed to survive, what are we supposed to do, live in caves? Waah, waah, waah.

How the hell are we supposed to keep the privileged afloat in their luxury yachts and living in the style to which they are accustomed if all we do is complain? Now shut up and get to work!

Is that the new fragrance: Sarcasm by Ralph Lauren, I smell?

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S&F This needs to get right out in the open!

I know right. I am a soldier and can say for a fact that I'm done with this crap. 55 more weeks of paid slavery. I know I will be taking a pay cut as well as heading into an unstable job market, but at least I will be free and have my conscience cleared. I do not forsee the military suspending pay though. Not with servicemembers in the war zone. Worst case in my opinion is we miss 1 payday only to get it back the following month. If it goes 2 months however there are going to be a lot of AWOLs and courtmatials for sure.

Maybe soldiers can wake up the fact that they pawns?

Wake up, come back here, and kick those bankers in the face?

Originally posted by Jomina
My mom is retired from the government and recieves a pension from it, and has been concerned that a shutdown would end up stopping her payments, as well.

pay her in what exactly??
if the dollar collapses,
Fed Res Notes will be worthless.
u can start a fire with it
is about it

These are the things nobody is reporting on. Some of my friends are in the reserves, and the told them not to show up for drill that month, because the state didn't have the money to pay them. Can you believe that?

Originally posted by CastleMadeOfSand
We could take back our country if civilians had Servicemen
on our side, and do so easily.

this is the main reason why most of them
are deployed outside the lower 48.

Originally posted by filosophia
looks like the state is once again throwing their once proud war heroes under the bus. This alone should indicate to anyone in the armed services that it's not good to be a soldier.

sad to say but so true.
anybody who joins the military now are
just plain stupid and aren't aware of
the facts of life. They are asleep and
need to be awoken.

The DOD, and particularly the pay of soldiers will continue.

This is ridiculous fear mongering.

And while you're all discussing the military, if you want members of the military on "your side" it would help if you didn't call them stupid, if you didn't refer to them as murderers, tools, pawns or anything like that which only serves to make YOU feel better than everyone else in your high and mighty judgement passing BS.

Most of us joined because we actually care about the country...Even while you're chanting "baby killers."

I'm off to boot camp in a couple of weeks. I promise not to kill any babies or murder anyone on the way to MEPS.

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Thanks for signing up! You are needed.

I just wish the govenment was not so twisted.

As for the subject at hand, I seriously doubt that anything will come of it. This is just if they dont come to an agreement. Both sides whant their way and they dont want to meet in the middle. SO they threaten shutting down the govt. Then they pull the military card knowing it will get a large group of people all wound up and try to insist that if one side doesnt get their way... blah blah blah. IF it happnes and that is a big if, it will only be for a day or so then it will be reactivated and made retro to handle those days worth of claims.

Not getting wound up yet. Honestly, Im not sure it would be a bad thing for the Fed govt. to close up and the states take it back over again. If my states got all my income tax money we wouldnt be in such a mess right now.

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Best of luck to you Amigo! Learn all you can and take ALL the courses you can that will be available to you. It's something that can save your life in ways you can't even predict. Knowledge is power and when you're being shot at it pays to know everything you can that could save your life or turn the tide against your opponent!

Zindo

What Plasifisk said below!!

Originally posted by projectvxn
The DOD, and particularly the pay of soldiers will continue.

This is ridiculous fear mongering.

And while you're all discussing the military, if you want members of the military on "your side" it would help if you didn't call them stupid, if you didn't refer to them as murderers, tools, pawns or anything like that which only serves to make YOU feel better than everyone else in your high and mighty judgement passing BS.

Most of us joined because we actually care about the country...Even while you're chanting "baby killers."

I'm off to boot camp in a couple of weeks. I promise not to kill any babies or murder anyone on the way to MEPS.

edit on 24-3-2011 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)

Glad to have you aboard the team! stay focused, always give 200% in everything you do, even when you dont want to do it. And above all things, be a leader, and make sound, carefull decisions. And never , ever, ever let your battle buddy down, or disgrace our country. I will stand next to you to fight through any hell that may come our way.

STACK, and roll on three!

This is great news. Here we have a Country engaged in now three Illegal wars in regions where OIL is the real goal of the establishment that pushed forward war in the first place.

The US is the modern day Nazi Germany; liberating the OIL from the people of Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya.

It's a wolf in sheeps clothing here... all the sheep following along in support of a Government gone mad.

News flash, quit the military.

Originally posted by fiorano
exactly who do you think will defend the country, a collection of local bands of poorly organized citizens or militias?

It has been done before, successfully at that. While not an ideal situation, there are enough ex-service members that are still very well trained to take upon that role and would, myself included. With the training that military members receive, the training is not something that is easy to forget. In fact, my training that I received is still prevalent and plays a major role in my daily life. To some extents, it causes problems because regular civilians do not understand that it is not so easy to forget that "training" in a corporate world. Military training and corporate world training tends to clash. But I digress.

One theory I have is that all the gun registrations that we have to do, could possibly be part of the reason. In case, something happens, the government can call upon prior service and registered gun owners to fulfill certain aspects of the nations security. I am actually all for militias, they can serve a purpose and is also a way to help keep other authoritative bodies a little more honest. So, militias are not always a bad thing. Think about it, and despite the current national situation, militias are the reason we do not have a king and answer to England.

Originally posted by Skewed

Originally posted by fiorano
exactly who do you think will defend the country, a collection of local bands of poorly organized citizens or militias?

It has been done before, successfully at that. While not an ideal situation, there are enough ex-service members that are still very well trained to take upon that role and would, myself included. With the training that military members receive, the training is not something that is easy to forget. In fact, my training that I received is still prevalent and plays a major role in my daily life. To some extents, it causes problems because regular civilians do not understand that it is not so easy to forget that "training" in a corporate world. Military training and corporate world training tends to clash. But I digress.

One theory I have is that all the gun registrations that we have to do, could possibly be part of the reason. In case, something happens, the government can call upon prior service and registered gun owners to fulfill certain aspects of the nations security. I am actually all for militias, they can serve a purpose and is also a way to help keep other authoritative bodies a little more honest. So, militias are not always a bad thing. Think about it, and despite the current national situation, militias are the reason we do not have a king and answer to England.

I agree with you 100%! I am for militias also. As long as they are good people doing it honestly. And as you stated military training is hard to forget and often add to the work ethics of those who are prior service. Much respect to you.