Paul Lemos testimony made me think about Harley Man and other "instant experts" on 9-11.

So I was watching this amazing eyewitness testimony from survivor, Paul Lemos. There are two versions...most people have seen the shorter version at around 1:12 in length. However there is also a longer version at 8:51 minutes long.

While watching the long version I was struck by the fact that he stated that architects were on the scene that day "debriefing" him on what he saw.

Notice how many times he mentions he, "found out later".

I then thought back to Harley Man and the fact that his eyewitness testimony sounded so unnatural.

My question is, what do you think the chances are that Harley Man was exposed, individually or as part of a group, to an on site expert who told him what happened?

Perhaps, rather than being a plant, he really is just a guy in a Harley shirt who was debriefed by an onsite expert and then when the cameras rolled, Harley Man merely parroted what he was told.

I would like to hear your thoughts on this matter. Are there other examples of eyewitnesses alluding to coaching?

Regardless of your stance of what happened that day, this video eyewitness testimony is "must watch".

long form video here:
www.youtube.com...

short form video here:
www.youtube.com...

reply to post by Game_Over


This is one of those 911 topics that never sat right with me, instant experts is a perfect description. I'm not so sure that there were people involved in the attacks, on the ground prepping people as to what to say. Then again, they could very well be intelligence plants.

good find, I've never seen the long version

reply to post by Game_Over


I did a thread on this www.abovetopsecret.com...

I was going to do a thread called '9/11 and the hypnotic yes-set' about how during the day we were fed info by the MSM which is identical in form to a hypnotic induction involving a confusion technique, the first attacks, the yes set of multiple events and a call to action with the heroic actions on the last flight and a general fostering of emotions by politicians and the instant framing of debate but I thought why bother on ATS ya know. It's the role of the fourth estate to speak truth to power, but where do you see this happening?!?

Peace

Great. Thanks for that thread. Not sure how I missed it but I did.

With all due respect, I believe your thread is excellent for exposing us to the link of Paul Lemos' video interview. I am focusing my thread on his comments regarding the "on site specialists" whom told Paul what he saw.

I am interested in how this may relate to Harley Guy and or other examples that I am not aware of.
I am curious to know if this is the only on video example from that day where an eyewitness clearly states that he was coached on what he saw.

reply to post by Game_Over


can't help with the witness coaching but have you seen this and this www.npr.org...

www.huffingtonpost.com...

about military experts framing the debate, or coaching the populace if you will;

www.nytimes.com...

To the public, these men are members of a familiar fraternity, presented tens of thousands of times on television and radio as “military analysts” whose long service has equipped them to give authoritative and unfettered judgments about the most pressing issues of the post-Sept. 11 world.

Hidden behind that appearance of objectivity, though, is a Pentagon information apparatus that has used those analysts in a campaign to generate favorable news coverage of the administration’s wartime performance, an examination by The New York Times has found.

Peace

BTW, it's all about how the towers fell

9/11 was an orchestrated hoax with no terrorists, no planes and few if any victims.
The inside demolition job of useless emptied buildings, employing actors(liers) and
press insider faux witnesses was sold to a gullable public by a complicit main stream media.
Most everything we saw on our tv's that day was preprepared computer generated
virtual imagery. 10 years on and most are none the wiser.
We really need to wake up and see what the world around us has become
since americas wars on faked terror. I won't hold my breath.

www.septemberclues.info

What interests me in this thread is that Paul Lemos clearly states that he was coached by an on the scene architect who told him what he saw. While in a state of shock, he was debriefed on what had just occurred. Notice his bizarre, yet perfectly normal, self censoring that is probably subconscious.

So while I do believe there would have been "plants" in the crowds to get the OS out there, I have never heard an eyewitness state it so blatantly and particularly on the very day that he was told what he witnessed.

My hope is that this thread will serve as a place to collect any other examples of this that we may have overlooked before.

This is another example of on-site advisors who were actually calling the shots...

In an Oct 15, 2008 interview with Allan Rees (following the release of the NIST WTC 7 report), Dr. Shyam Sunder (lead investigator) responded to a question about the evidence of foreknowledge of the collapse of WTC 7 by saying that they were “aware that an engineer or a technical expert or a technical advisor was providing advice to the city agencies with regard to the condition of building 7”, and that they had been hearing creaking noises and the area was cleared about 2:30 pm. He refused to name this person, and then implied it may have been more than one “advisor”.
www.ae911truth.org...

It all stinks to high heaven game_over.
Take everything with a pinch of salt.
Personally i don't believe any official explanation and as you see from
the above, even direct eye-witness testimony is tainted.
Sites like letsroll and septemberclues have catagorically displayed
the hugh amount of deceit and treachory at play, from officials to
eye-witnesses to victim families to video and photographic releases.
I am so tired of the lies and unaccountability. We look on helplessly
as our world crumbles around us.

Originally posted by Game_Over
Notice how many times he mentions he, "found out later".

Exactly, and I've seen this countless times.


Philip Morelli is another example. He heard at least two explosion events in the basement around the time of the WTC1 impact. He said the concrete walls cracked, stuff fell from the ceiling and it was two distinct events. He also suggested he was told later that this was the main freight elevator falling and hitting the bottom of the shaft, but in fact the operator of WTC1's main freight elevator was Arturo Griffith, and his own testimony from inside the main freight elevator during the impact contradicts what Philip Morelli was told.

I've seen plenty of firefighters too, say they were later told an explosions was just such-and-such. I'd like to see where all this information is really coming from, because as far as I can find it's pure hearsay and someone was going around Ground Zero feeding people a bunch of unsubstantiated crap.

Is there evidence that the elevators fell?

I was under the impression the elevators had friction brakes that automatically applied if the elevator goes past a certain speed, and they have a spring mechanism at the bottom of the shaft to slow the impact?

Anyone have the A17 code book?

Originally posted by ANOK
Is there evidence that the elevators fell?

The guy in the main freight of WTC1, Arturo Griffith, says something to the extent of he fell a few floors before the brakes of the elevator caught between floors. Whatever happened, it didn't seem to plummet to the bottom and there was no fireball, and iirc his only injury was a broken leg.

If you search Google I think it was USA Today that did an interview with him. Regardless, someone interviewed him and it's online, and he was the main freight operator of WTC1, I remember that much for sure.

Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by ANOK
Is there evidence that the elevators fell?

The guy in the main freight of WTC1, Arturo Griffith, says something to the extent of he fell a few floors before the brakes of the elevator caught between floors. Whatever happened, it didn't seem to plummet to the bottom and there was no fireball, and iirc his only injury was a broken leg.

If you search Google I think it was USA Today that did an interview with him. Regardless, someone interviewed him and it's online, and he was the main freight operator of WTC1, I remember that much for sure.

Thanx, gonna go do some digging on this.

Edit; Here we go...

The safety brake, together with a speed-sensing governor, acts to stop an elevator if it should overspeed in the down direction. If an elevator overspeeds, the governor makes the safety grasp the rails on which the car travels, bringing the elevator to a safe emergency stop...
...Buffers, located in the "pit" below the car, serve to cushion any unplanned travel below the lowest landing.

www.us.schindler.com...

Does that confirm it?