Voices of Palestine

Originally posted by lucid eyes

The opening post quotes four Hamas leaders. Whats so difficult to understand about that? Stop obfuscating what this is about. This is about the Hamas main goal to eradicate Jews. And its a F-A-C-T that is espoused by the Hamas every day.

My comment to that you replied to was to video you posted about Ibrahim, as supported by the reply link

My post was very clear, not confusing in the least.

There are also groups that proclaim their hatred white people, black people, Muslims, Christians, Jews, and anyone else you want to slap a label on.

It doesn't mean they have the vast support of the people.

Originally posted by lucid eyes

Originally posted by Thepreye


It's not about whether they are factual or not,

You`ll understand that I stopped reading there.

Way to make yourself look dumb or some weired debating gambit???

Too bad the entire western world has to defend against terrorism just to support the aims of a few demented zionist criminal douch bags.

Originally posted by Shadow Herder
The land belongs to Palestinians.

I dont understand this statement in the context of the thread topic. Does this mean it is legitimate to call all Jews pigs that need to be destroyed?

Does this mean you also deny that this has been Jewish land since thousands of years? Is this history-denial + the denial of the truth of the OP similar to Holocaust Denial? Do you deny that too?

Did you know that the people who sponsored Hitler and the holocaust are the very same people who made a state in Palestine called Israel? Who funds the holocaust then says they are the victim

Wow...descent into hard anti-semitism. "The Jews sponsored Hitler" myth. Hate-speech doesnt get any more extreme than this.

Originally posted by searching4truth
It doesn't mean they have the vast support of the people.

Just what the hell are you talking about? We're talking about the elected officials of Gaza here, elected by the Palestinians themselves? This place is too weird.

Originally posted by lucid eyes

Originally posted by searching4truth
It doesn't mean they have the vast support of the people.

Just what the hell are you talking about? We're talking about the elected officials of Gaza here, elected by the Palestinians themselves? This place is too weird.

Cherie Booth a high ranking lawyer and the wife of Tony Blair the Middle East Peace Envoy has publicly stated that Palestinians in Gaza are justified in carrying out terrorist attacks because of the way Israel treats them.

Doesn't say much for Israel and explains a lot.

Originally posted by lucid eyes

Originally posted by searching4truth
It doesn't mean they have the vast support of the people.

Just what the hell are you talking about? We're talking about the elected officials of Gaza here, elected by the Palestinians themselves? This place is too weird.

I see you how want to work this thread, you want people to parrot back how horrible the Palestinians are, despite the fact that some of the info you post has all the markings of pure propaganda.

When someone questions that you deflect back.

If you truly that confused, read back through my comments, it may be helpful to click on the bold reply line and ats will highlight to which of your posts I was responding.

Originally posted by lucid eyes

And they keep reversing it by saying:

* That Israelis are the racists (show me similar quotes by Israeli politicians)

* That Israelis are the ones who want to destroy Palestine (show me how Israels military might could not currently easily destroy Palestine).

* That this kind of info is propaganda (show me why quoting Hamas is propaganda against Hamas)

Thats the challenge. If you cant show me that, your "anti-zionism" is unmasked as anti-judaism/anti-semitism, nothing more.

edit on 23-3-2011 by lucid eyes because: (no reason given)

"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country." -- David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.

"If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel." -- David Ben-Gurion (Quoted on pp 855-56 in Shabtai Teveth's Ben-Gurion in a slightly different translation).

"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist." -- Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969.

"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!" -- Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

"[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs." -- Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the 'Beasts,"' New Statesman, June 25, 1982.

"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." -- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

"The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... -- Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

"If we thought that instead of 200 Palestinian fatalities, 2,000 dead would put an end to the fighting at a stroke, we would use much more force...."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, quoted in Associated Press, November 16, 2000.

Also, walloflies.org (the one where your op pic came from) is a hateful propaganda cite no different than than similar ones with the pope (or other figure) dressed as the devil. Using such "sources" does nothing to prove the validity of your position, and makes you appear ignorant. imho

reply to post by lucid eyes

Could it be that your rage inhibits telling fact from fiction?

LOL sorry dude. I was having a bad morning. I would have laughed it off if I read it later in the day. Your opinion is still wrong as can be though, but you are entitled to your own opinion as deluded as it is

You may like to mix with other cultures but you haven't learned a damn thing - WHAT A WASTE OF MONEY - I suggest you invest your money in learning in other ways - try reading you may get a better insight.

I've never heard so much BS in all my life you obviously picked the posters that suit YOUR agenda - Open your ears - you have two. You only have one mouth and your words will come back to haunt you.

Anti this and Anti that you are soooo evidently a classic case of ANTI TRUTH!

Got to say i was assuming this site is full of free thinkers..but how naiive..of course the pro zionists wouldnt miss a chance to get involved on a site like this. I wonder what the death toll is since 1948..israelis and palestinians? What do you think?

Originally posted by Thepreye
Way to make yourself look dumb or some weired debating gambit???

Someone who starts his conversation by telling me that it doesnt matter if something is factual or not, is giving me a warning signal. Im not interested in falsehood, Im interested in facts. Why? Because facts reflect reality.

Originally posted by bigyin
Too bad the entire western world has to defend against terrorism just to support the aims of a few demented zionist criminal douch bags.

Just like another poster said that Jews created World War II, you are saying that Jews created Terrorism.

And you guys are sure you're not anti-semites?

Originally posted by searching4truth

I see you how want to work this thread, you want people to parrot back how horrible the Palestinians are, despite the fact that some of the info you post has all the markings of pure propaganda.

Within this thread not a single response has acknowledged the factualness of the quotes in the OP. Instead I am told that

a) Jews deserve to be attacked because they dont belong in that area (Falsehood)

b) that Jews created WWII (Falsehood)

c) that Jews created terrorists (Falsehood)

d) that the quotes are Israeli Propaganda (Falsehood)

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
Your opinion is still wrong as can be though, but you are entitled to your own opinion as deluded as it is

The fact that these statements were made is not my opinion. When the time comes you cant tell the difference between facts and opinion, you need to do a reality-check.

Originally posted by searching4truth
Also, walloflies.org (the one where your op pic came from) is a hateful propaganda cite no different than than similar ones with the pope (or other figure) dressed as the devil. Using such "sources" does nothing to prove the validity of your position, and makes you appear ignorant. imho

The site is factual and educational. The quotes of Hamas authorities are factual. The claims made in this thread ("Jews made WWII, "Jews made Terrorism", "Jews made Holocaust") are either intentional hate-speech or delusional.

Originally posted by Justice4Gaza
Got to say i was assuming this site is full of free thinkers..but how naiive..of course the pro zionists wouldnt miss a chance to get involved on a site like this

There are still some of us left who dont think Jews should be eradicated. Dont mistake free thinking with delusional thinking. Some of the replies in this thread are so hateful the general public couldnt imagine the type of people they are dealing with here.

reply to post by lucid eyes


LOL fail you played the anti semite card zionist. Tell me, whom from your family is a decedant of a semite? I wasnt aware semites could be born in the land of the khazars.

Zionism Promotes Anti-Semitism

Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism, recognized that anti-Semitism would further his cause, the creation of a separate state for Jews. To solve the Jewish Question, he maintained “we must, above all, make it an international political issue.”

Herzl wrote that Zionism offered the world a welcome “final solution of the Jewish question.” In his “Diaries”, page 19, Herzl stated “Anti-Semites will become our surest friends, anti-Semitic countries our allies.”

Zionist reliance on Anti-Semitism to further their goals continues to this day. Studies of immigration records reflect increased immigration to the Zionist state during times of increased anti-Semitism. Without a continued inflow of Jewish immigrants to the state of "Israel", it is estimated that within a decade the Jewish population of the Zionist state will become the minority.

In order to maintain a Jewish majority in the state of "Israel", its leaders promote anti-Semitism throughout the world to "encourage" Jews to leave their homelands and seek "refuge".

In other words like i said in a diff thread, anti semitism is a massive tool for zionists, nothing more and nothing less. You are not a semite. I HATE zionists. I am anti Zionist. And damn proud.

Originally posted by lucid eyes

Originally posted by Justice4Gaza
Got to say i was assuming this site is full of free thinkers..but how naiive..of course the pro zionists wouldnt miss a chance to get involved on a site like this

There are still some of us left who dont think Jews should be eradicated. Dont mistake free thinking with delusional thinking. Some of the replies in this thread are so hateful the general public couldnt imagine the type of people they are dealing with here.

edit on 24-3-2011 by lucid eyes because: (no reason given)

You just don't get it do you. It doesn't matter who is stealing land from somebody else, whoever it is is disliked. In this case it's Jews under the auspices of the zionists. If Arabs started to forcefully take over land belonging to somebody else they would be disliked. If Christians started taking over somebody elses property and driving them out they would be disliked. You can support your cause if you wish but don't get upset when you get called out for the menace you are.