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Yes but if it was against God's will could Satan have done it? If it was God's will to punish Israel, then Satan was not necessarily commissioned by God to do it, but nevertheless it fulfills God's will. If God decided to punish the world by war, it does not mean Hitler was commissioned by God, but nevertheless he would fulfill the will.

reply to post by KJV1611


1 Corinthians 4:15

"For I became your father in Christ Jesus when I preached the Good News to you"

oops.... Paul did not say "today".... (confused that with another verse)
but he did claim he became "father"... despite Jesus instructing people not to call any man "father".

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


Now, now, now...you know better than to post a verse not in the KJV All other Bibles are FULL of errors, but not the old trusty Authorized version of God's words.

1 Corinthians 4:15
"For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye NOT MANY FATHERS: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. "

Can you see how the KJV clears up your mess in your bible? Paul never told people to call him father, he was stating how he was the one who led them to Christ while others just instructed them how to live a Christian life. He was their spiritual father in a sense, not their TITLED religious leader father as Jesus warned against in Matt 23:9 (Popes, priests).

Hints the term "Early Church Fathers" the ones who started the movements. Want more? How about Father Abraham? He was the one who started the whole thing: Muslims, Jews, and Christians. Do you see how the term is used? Its not that hard.

reply to post by KJV1611

God USES Satan as a tool to do His will. Satan has always been a tool that God out smarts and uses.

According to the Old Testament.
In the NT, Satan is the enemy who Jesus judges.
Apparently you prefer the OT over the new and like to contradict Jesus when possible.

reply to post by KJV1611

First of all I want to say how extremely disappointed I am in sHuRuLuNi for copy and pasting Bible questions from another web site that are not his own questions.

Just as we educated people get extremely disappointed when someone posts Bible quotes in support of a theory, when some of us know the truth of that book, and it's origins. I have seen whole posts taken up by bible quotes alone. What is the difference?

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


Sheesh! Here ya go:
"Call no man your father on earth" Matthew 23:9

As for the other one, the only reference I can find is Acts 13:25:
"And as John fulfilled his course, he said, Whom think ye that I am? I am not he. But, behold, there cometh one after me, whose shoes of his feet I am not worthy to loose."

I cannot find that Paul said that, but then again, we cannot defiantly prove one single thing in the bible, can we?

Originally posted by KJV1611
reply to post by sk0rpi0n

 

Where does the Bible say that? I know about Matt 23:9. but where does it say Paul wanted people to call him "father"?

Well, they should, I guess. Paul of Tarsus started the Christian religion, some call is a highjacking of the original teachings, after all, it was Paul who said one must be circumcised to be saved:
Acts 15:1:
"And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved." (KJV)

Although Jesus treated women as equals, and Paul mostly did the same, the other Christian belief systems started to oppress women in later generations. So I guess even Paul's teachings were perverted. This is the reason the Bible can never be taken as a literal truth, because very simply, it is not.

reply to post by autowrench

Well, they should, I guess. Paul of Tarsus started the Christian religion, some call is a highjacking of the original teachings, after all, it was Paul who said one must be circumcised to be saved: Acts 15:1: "And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved." (KJV)

why do you teach false doctrine.. Paul never said they should be circumcised.. you took one verse and ran with it.. and didn't finish what was really implied by that chapter..

here is the rest of..which clearly shows the elders discussed it..and came to the conclusion it was NOT necessary to be circumcised to be included in within the faithful.

Chapter 15

1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

3 And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.

4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them. 5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;

9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.

so.. "certain men"..DID NOT refer to Paul..so you are very wrong with that quote in his name..

reply to post by gabby2011

you took one verse and ran with it.

Isn't that how all christian doctrine got formed....? One verse over the general theme?

reply to post by gabby2011


I could have easily posted the entire bible quote, but I consider that a waste of bandwidth. How do you know what Paul said, and didn't say?

Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by gabby2011

 

I could have easily posted the entire bible quote, but I consider that a waste of bandwidth. How do you know what Paul said, and didn't say?

Then if you could have posted it all..why didn't you see the grave error you made in saying that he was the one who told people to get circumcised??

here are your exact words... I quote..

Well, they should, I guess. Paul of Tarsus started the Christian religion, some call is a highjacking of the original teachings, after all, it was Paul who said one must be circumcised to be saved:

So..not only were you wrong.. and i proved it to you by the rest of the scripture.. that "certain people" mentioned in acts Ch15:1 were not paul...but you can't even be man enough to admit you misquoted it.

How lame !

..and then after you can't be man enough to admit to your mistake..by improperly referring to bible quotes to make your false claims.. you decide to twist it all around again..and say.."how do you know what Paul said and didn't say'?

If your even going to use that argument..why even try to to place him as a reference on your other post?..even though your reference was totally wrong.

I suggest if you are going to try and refute what the bible says.. know what it says before you go using its content out of context.

Let me ask you.. where do your spiritual beliefs come from??..and how are you so sure that whatever "teacher' teaches them even said what others have proclaimed they said?

Way to own up to your mistakes ..

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by gabby2011

 

you took one verse and ran with it.

Isn't that how all christian doctrine got formed....? One verse over the general theme?

No it isn't.. and if you spent any time with Christians who understand the "themes' you would clearly see that..

The worse offenders of taking content out of the bible ..out of its" theme".. is non Christians..trying to to argue the points made.

No..the one verse over the theme seems to be the specialty of non Christians..though Christians can be guilty as well.. but I have to say.. in my experience.. its the non Christians who like to twist the true meaning of the versus..and take it out of context to what the theme implies.

Here is a question. Why did god let job suffer? When he knew that job had pure faith and would not betray him.
Why did god still screw his life?

reply to post by gabby2011


OK, gabby2011, Here is some research on the subject, and after I am done, how about some research for me?

Religious male circumcision is considered a commandment from God in Judaism. According to Genesis, God told Abraham to circumcise himself, his household and his slaves as an everlasting covenant in their flesh. Those who were not circumcised were to be 'cut off' from their people (Genesis 17:10-14). Note the connection between circumcision and slavery. It is alluded to in the New Testament. Laws commanding circumcision are said to come through Moses. (Leviticus 12) The Apostle Peter, who was circumcised, said:
"... we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will." (Acts 15:11, New RSV)

Paul the Apostle, also called the Apostle Paul, Saul of Tarsus, and Saint Paul (c. AD 5 – c. AD 67), was one of the most influential early Christian missionaries, with his writings forming a considerable portion of the New Testament. His influence on Christian thinking has been of utmost significance due to his role as a prominent apostle of Christianity during the spreading of the Gospel through early Christian communities across the Roman Empire.

source

So, gabby2011, can you put this all together? If Paul of Tarsus was
"one of the most influential early Christian missionaries," is just stands to intelligent reason and logic that Paul made the practice a basic tenet of Christian faith.

Now, you do some research for me: Prove Jesus existed, and that he was the son of God, and name the God who was his Father.

reply to post by PinkiePie

Here is a question. Why did god let job suffer? When he knew that job had pure faith and would not betray him.
Why did god still screw his life?

Great question, with a wild answer!

The main reason the whole book of Job is recorded is to show a type of the Jew in the coming tribulation. Just as Job went through terrible circumstances, so to has the Jew gone through terrible circumstances and he will continue to through out the tribulation.
And just as Job was RESTORED at the end of his "trials", so to will the Jew be restored after the tribulation during the millenium.

There are at least 20 different types of Job playing out the future role and events of what the Jew will go through.
This is a big discussing though and I will go into it if you want.

Another reason for the horrors Job went through were to show Satan that there were still people on earth (Satan's Kingdom) that loved God with their whole heart even though he was rich (rich being the key word).

And one last reason why the events surrounding Job took place that the UN, America, Congress, all religions and most Christians don't want to acknowledge is..... God created you, and thus God can destroy you if He feels like it. You do not have a say in the matter. No one does. This is why people hate God.....you have no rights, no voice, and no hope if God wants something to happen, it will happen. That is why you better have Jesus Christ as your mediator....cause you are helpless alone.

Job understood this perfectly. Very few do, including Christians:

JOB 1:21
"And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD."

Job 9:12
"Behold, he TAKETH AWAY, who can hinder him? who will say unto him, What doest thou?" (good question)

Thanks for the question.

reply to post by KJV1611

. . . book of Job is recorded is to show a type of the Jew in the coming tribulation.

Some fantastic mythology you have there!
Care to substantiate that a little?
Is there a secret gospel somewhere that only your particular cult has access to?

reply to post by autowrench

So, gabby2011, can you put this all together? If Paul of Tarsus was "one of the most influential early Christian missionaries," is just stands to intelligent reason and logic that Paul made the practice a basic tenet of Christian faith.

It may stand to reason..but it is not what he says in the first chapter of Acts. Did you read the the verses I had already quoted..and why Paul went to the elders to discuss it..and how they came to the conclusion that circumcision was no longer required ?

Now, you do some research for me: Prove Jesus existed, and that he was the son of God, and name the God who was his Father.

I fear nothing I find will convince you..but I will pray to Jesus..that He Himself will give you proof...that He existed..and still exists today..and will exist for all eternity.

Originally posted by KJV1611
reply to post by sk0rpi0n

 

Now, now, now...you know better than to post a verse not in the KJV

All other Bibles are FULL of errors, but not the old trusty Authorized version of God's words.

1 Corinthians 4:15
"For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye NOT MANY FATHERS: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. "

Can you see how the KJV clears up your mess in your bible? Paul never told people to call him father, he was stating how he was the one who led them to Christ while others just instructed them how to live a Christian life. He was their spiritual father in a sense, not their TITLED religious leader father as Jesus warned against in Matt 23:9 (Popes, priests).

Hints the term "Early Church Fathers" the ones who started the movements. Want more? How about Father Abraham? He was the one who started the whole thing: Muslims, Jews, and Christians. Do you see how the term is used? Its not that hard.

edit on 22-12-2011 by KJV1611 because: i can

Yeah no kidding. You'd be surprised how many people do not get what is written between the lines. This is the reason that without the Holy Spirit to guide them they will never get the true understanding of the words. He is the only one that can reveal the messages contained in the books.

reply to post by gabby2011


Indeed, neither Paul nor the other Apostles said that future believers had to be circumcised or learn the mosaic laws. The Judaizers were the ones that tried to implement this and all of the apostles rallied against them and set it down that this was not to be so. We are not held by the mosaic aws nor the covenant of circumcision and the proof of this lies in the book of Acts, around chapter 7 or 8 if i remember correctly. Peter was a staunch supporter of not judaizing future generations of christians or putting a yoke around our necks that not even their forefathers could bear. I believe thisn took place at the council of Jerusalem if i remember correctly.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by KJV1611

 

1 Corinthians 4:15

"For I became your father in Christ Jesus when I preached the Good News to you"

oops.... Paul did not say "today".... (confused that with another verse)
but he did claim he became "father"... despite Jesus instructing people not to call any man "father".

The version doesn’t really matter. Paul is not calling himself the father. He is using Father as a metaphor. He is simply saying that he became like God in the sense that he led them to the Father. So in an earthly way he has become like the father as he was the first one to preach the good news that they accepted. He is only comparing himself to God in an earthly since, as he is well aware that the true father is the heavenly father.