We are going to war in Libya - Why?

On the surface at least for now it doesn't appear to be about Oil, which I still don't believe to the the case. But I digress. The real reason behind my post is this: the US, UK, EU countries etc have gone through and still going through the worst financial depression since WW II. After the banks and one or two others raped and pillaged us for everything we own, and then we gave them more cash to bail them out.

How many members of ATS in the USA, UK etc know of or are linked to or even in there own circumstances have lost there jobs, homes, businesses, wives, husbands, kids etc because of this depression of the last few years? How many of you are still struggling to survive, come to terms with what has happened either to you or someone you know even now.

The best thing to do when you have been financially and emotionally raped like that is to go out and take it out on someone else. Or put it another way spend billions more on starting another war. I'm sure the situation for the Libyan people is dire under Gadaffi's rule. But remember the old saying here, the needs of the many (ie rest of world) outweigh the needs of the few or the one (Libya).

Let's at least get onto an even financial footing first before we wade into another war we can ill afford.

Originally posted by lucifuge
Let's at least get onto an even financial footing first before we wade into another war we can ill afford.

That's what quantitative easing is for. Worked well for Zimbabwe & the Weimar Republic, no?

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just wondering isn't it against your Constitution to go to war with out congress?

Also check this out please let me know your thoughts.
www.independent.co.uk...

The March 19th coincidence is really not a coincidence. I'm really shocked none of us at ATS were able to predict when this was going to happen. The signs and history were there the whole time, there is a much bigger agenda being played out. Start looking up what the key dates in the war with Iraq was, I have a good feeling history is going to repeat itself.

From what I understand, France and England will be doing most of the "fighting." Why? Who knows. Personally I don't really care anymore about the foreign wars we get into. Common people like us all across the world know that the leaders of whatever country don't fully represent them. As a world community, all of us commoners are looking at each other like, WTF? when it comes to our leaders.

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S+F
All i can say is that i`m disgusted that these corrupt, greedy b`stards have done it again without the go-ahead from the common man.
We`ve got to find a way of stopping them.
Another country to occupy.

I would bet that Libya would be the new Iraq and Afghanistan complete with insurgencies and suicide bombers

This "war" is about oil. Basically the western government partially the UK and france thought Gaddaffi was getting a bit big for his boots; asking (well telling) for libyian bombers to be released and such. This is I believe a "Were the big dogs here, not you" kinda war (a bit like the falklands).

But it could spill into something far worse, especially now the libyian have called a cease-fire that the US have failed to recognise.

I feel sorry for the Libyian people.

ALS

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agree plus the date is very suspicious........But does anyone else think its suss how BP is going to start drilling off the coast of Libya......or it's just me.

visit link for more info
www.independent.co.uk...

Originally posted by Taupin Desciple
From what I understand, France and England will be doing most of the "fighting." Why? Who knows.

Because Libya exports most of its oil to Europe not America. I think America's involvment is nothing more than a favour for Britains help with Iraq and Afganistan.

ALS

On the pretense or cover story to protect Libyan civilians from a dictator gone rogue the institution of "global governance" is establishing a precedent to make supra-national decisions that supercede individual nations' sovereignty. It is the rule of the "united International" community over the sovereignty of nation-states. But then again we need a little bit of that and to some degree it has happened before (UN "police" force in Korea, for example, altho we had control over our troops and made our own decisions militarily).

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I don't think it's just coincidence that social unrest in Egypt was immediately followed by social unrest in Lybia. It's like a game of dominoes for the CIA.

Because some muslim guy has decided to kill his muslim brothers, wheres the jihad now when it a muslim killing a muslim ??????

To further their NWO agenda of splitting the world into 4 kingdoms and because they want to procure negative harvests with people, because we have to say no to war. There are other ways to negotiate and if in the very end, with a UN committed to justice, police actions where the citizens are protected and evacuated and the slavers defended agaisnt but not attacked aggressively and negotiated with. They involve bombing.

We all need to say no and be guided by the Spirit of Peace and Love and go within to find ways to wake up more, become more service to others and loving even with the leaders, and to say no to the wars, and their corrupt bills and laws, that take away liberties.

They're procuring negative harvets to keep earth as a prison not s a school.

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Correct; the "War Powers Clause" is Article 1, Section 8, Clause 11.

Interesting about BP drilling off the Libyan coast. Thanks!
A $900m deal to drill into 2 basins via 17 exploration & up to 20 appraisal wells, though, is a small percentage of Libyan reserves.

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This is well suspect and I had no idea about BP's involvment in the release of the Lockerbie bomber. God help those who stand in the way of BP's share holders.

ALS

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As i said before whats a lil bit of oil in exchange for all the technological treasures we have provided them with without us the news would be showing us the equivalent of a flintstones bar brawl.

WE as in singular (USA) are not going to war. WE (USA) are playing a supporting role in a coalition action that is sanctioned, supported, and ratified by multiple international organizations that include the UN, NATO, and the Arab League. The US portion of the operation should be over within the next few days. France, the UK, Canada, Italy, and a few Middle Eastern countries have taken the initiative in this operation. This exact situation is the reason why organizations like NATO and the UN even exist. They gave Gaddafi ultimatums which he chose to ignore.

The US is finally taking action in an appropriate way with international approval and there are members here getting heated over it. The Libyan rebels have been pleading for assistance for the past month and they're finally getting it. The right way. This is not the 2003 invasion all over again. Everything was done right this time. We (a collective international federation of countries) are assisting a rebel movement to oust a dictator that has killed thousands of civilians in the weeks leading up to the operation.

Think of it this way, a hypothetical of course. Say there was a revolution or an uprising in your country of residence against your current form of government. The rebel faction in your country is fighting a David vs Goliath battle. That faction asks for assistance from outside sources to support the uprising. Would you be upset if aid came if you were in their situation??

Turning a blind eye to blatant tyranny and oppression just leads to more of the same. To answer your question, Why are we going to war with Libya?

We're going to war with Libya to assist an oppressed people in overthrowing a tyrannical dictator who would rather machine-gun protesters rather than listening to the voice of the people.

Most of the posters on this thread are full of Sh*t as a Christmas turkey: you know more about fornicating than fighting. Most of you have never put your asses in harm's way.

These people in Libya have been begging us for help, after rising up against a freak dictator that most them have never known anything else but; no democracy, no law except Martial law as decided by Gaddafy.

We westerners talk a good talk about freedom.

Has it ever occurred to you that the anger on the Arab street against us westerners is anger because we will not stand up for them?

Are the Arabs so subhuman, or is our greed so needy, that it is ok to let these peoples rot and die under regimes we would NEVER tolerate?

Western society can win the good will of the Arabic world, if we show we are willing to side with them. The people.

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Thats a fair comment but why aren't we (a collective international federation of countries) going to war in Bahrain, Syria, yemen?

ALS