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Originally posted by Gools
Originally posted by Soul Reaper
.....start with the money....
A bad place to start I think. At the proverbial "root of all evil".
It starts with educating yourself.
Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
I agree with you wholeheartedly D, but don't we need a petition to get him out ? Maybe the petition should list all those we want removed from office, from bush on down. Maybe we can start by compiling a list for the petition and then begin circulation.
Originally posted by Soul Reaper
Why is starting at the root of all evil a bad place to start?
If you really want change, it has to come from within. I also advocate educating yourself because that is also a fundemental way of understanding your adversary.
We need to convert our system to benefit us because we do all of the work in this society. If we only were to work for ourselves to feed our family and ourselfs (barter) all the rich folks would go "away".
Originally posted by muppet
What I'm saying is economic activity, and resource use, don't HAVE to be intrinsically linked, which means a sustainable, expanding economy is at least in theory possible.
Originally posted by Gools
Originally posted by Soul Reaper
Why is starting at the root of all evil a bad place to start?
Oh don't get me wrong. It's probably second on the list.
If you really want change, it has to come from within. I also advocate educating yourself because that is also a fundemental way of understanding your adversary.
We are in agreement on that.
We need to convert our system to benefit us because we do all of the work in this society. If we only were to work for ourselves to feed our family and ourselfs (barter) all the rich folks would go "away".
Good idea. So you think that bartering should be a part of the new economic paradigm I was talking about above?
I would really like to know more. How do you see that working? I know little of bartering and have not done any serious research on it.
Originally posted by Soul Reaper
.....take that and convert it credits.... it isn't communism it is actual value for actual work.
Originally posted by Ambient Sound
Yes, there is an election on Nov. 2nd. I'm prepared to acknowledge Kerry as my President and let him have his chance to do some good if he wins, though I hope he doesn't win. My question is, if Bush wins in a landslide, as unlikely as you think that might be, will you then support him as your President, or will you continue to divide America along the lines of those who hate Bush and those who don't?
Originally posted by Ambient Sound
I find it amusing when people talk about "taking our country back". Who exactly are you going to take it back from? The Government? Got news for ya. They are almost all Americans. Going to take it back from the Corperations? Most of them that you think own it are staffed and owned by, yep, Americans. Why not say what you really mean? Why not say that you want to take it back from the other Americans who don't agree with how you think things should be? Wouldn't that be closer to the truth?
Originally posted by donguillermo
I guarantee you, if Bush is reelected, he will transform this country into a theocratic, national-security police state.
Originally posted by donguillermo
You people laugh at me when I tell you Bush = Hitler. If Bush is reelected, the velvet gloves will come off, and you will see the naked fists of fascist totalitarianism. Then you will be telling me I am a prophet.
Originally posted by donguillermo
And we will have wars. The Bush Crime Family is already beating the drums for a war against Iran. I guarantee you. 4 more years = 4 more wars.
Guarantee?! That is a pretty strong word. What do you have to back your guarantee up with?
I think someone has been reading a little too much Orwell.
There is that guarantee word you use so loosely again. 4 more wars!? Wow, and all on your guarantee. You would make a great used car salesman.
Seriously, how has your freedom or anyone you know been altered in away way, shape or form? I can say personally, nothing has changed for me. In fact, I have had the best 3 years of my life in every aspect, so I guess I don't understand where you are coming from. I have had the best 3 years financially than any other 3 year stretch. I haven't been detained for no reason whatsoever in the past 3 years. I guess I don't agree with you because for me and just about everyone I know, have had a great past 3 years.
Originally posted by donguillermo
but your attitude is the same as most Republicans. Total selfishness. As long as you are doing well, you think Bush is a great guy.
Originally posted by donguillermo
Bush's policies have caused a lot of suffering and prevented the remediation of a lot more suffering. But you don't care, because you and your friends have got yours.
Originally posted by donguillermo
How does that old saying about Nazi Germany go?
When they came for the Jews, I said nothing, because I was not a Jew.
When they came for the Catholics, I said nothing, because I was not a Catholic.
Originally posted by donguillermo
One day, the jackbooted thugs will come for you and your well off friends, and there will be no one left to say anything.
Originally posted by donguillermo
How does that old saying about Nazi Germany go?
When they came for the Jews, I said nothing, because I was not a Jew.
When they came for the Catholics, I said nothing, because I was not a Catholic.
That is not even a fair comparison and you know it.
I can understand your dislike for GW Bush, but come on, I think your ideas and logic are just a bit too extreme.
Seriously, how has your freedom or anyone you know been altered in away way, shape or form?
For what? Bettering myself and family? For being an upstanding citizen that cares for his country? For being someone that donates time and money to charities and my community? For actively participating in my children's schools and local government that benefits the community? My friends and I are not that well off, but what we do have we have worked very hard at our jobs, community and local government to get it. I guess I am a greedy, selfish Republican though, huh?
After I spend my time and efforts on those things, I have very little time or care to worry about other people. That it not to say I don't care, but I am certainly not selfish and to be quite honest, I am offended by that comment, allthough you don't know what type of person I am, but you are rather presumptuous to think that I am selfish person for my beliefs.
2nd edit: "There but for the grace of God go I"? No I haven't heard of this phrase before, please axplain it to me.
Originally posted by Gools
What are some of those theories? Any examples? I would like to know more. Why does it have to be expanding? Why not in equilibrium? Nature works that way.
Class War at it's best! Behold the Evil Rich (as dracula organ music plays in the background). Define the term "rich" for me there, Marg. What exactly is wrong with being rich?