How they Built the Great Pyramid of Egypt

reply to post by SLAYER69

Maybe the second pyramid [Khafri's] but the Great pyramid [Khufu's] has the Grand gallery and all the other inner precision stone engineering etc at it's core. This is one reason why "some" theorize that the larger Great pyramid was older and that the other smaller second one is a poor copy of the first which is why it shows no inner precision engineering at it's core.

Yes, I agree that the Grand Gallery, or anything supporting it immediately is probably not adjacent to rubble, but perhaps in certain places, which were away from many of the internal structures (and believe many not found yet). they did take some shortcuts and use some sort of fill... But it must have been done in some already isolated, geometrically engineered locations as not to destroy the integrity and geometric precision of the the entire structure.

I still have this rock facing problem. As demonstrated especially in areas like the Grand Gallery.
How do you say... take a 20 to 40 ton block of limestone, let alone granite, and dress it so that one side is a specific angle, and other sides fit to accept the blocks surrounding it, at such a precision? Some of the angled faces would be almost as good as a mirror if they had a coating on them. Where are those tools, and how did they do it. Today, a giant belt sander could certainly do it, or a wire saw.... but how, using hammers and tools that we think that they owned, did they ever get a smooth, flat surface on a stone, and how was this progress to perfection measured? That to me is the holy grail of finding out how this pyramid was every created.

Edit: I have seen the above posts on how limestone blocks could have been molded in casts and since limestone is a product of Cretaceous minerology, it's organic construct can be broken down and re-assembled much like concretion making it extremely difficult to determine if it was original or molded. I think that very objective scientific scrutiny can tell if limestone is manufactured or originally layered, but who has tacked that task, and what were the results? When it comes to igneous rock like granite, well no molding technique yet devised has been able to pull that off. The heat alone and energy to do it is staggering. So my thoughts about a molded stone drift towards the implausible as well as the impossible.

Originally posted by rigel4
This is how one makes a thread.

1. I is extremely well lade out.
2. It is Informative
3. I draws the reader In.
4. It is factual.
5. Evidence has been Provided.
6.No wild theories.

Well done Slayer, show them how it's done.

No wild theories?...How about the wild theory that says an actual universe thats 96,000,000,000 light years across blasted out of a hole thats 10,000 times smaller than the point of a needle?

Its virtually impossible to examine and think about the "how did they do it" concerning the Great Pyramid and especially its inner galleries and their Massive and vastly heavy granite blocks and how aligned and smooth they are,without heading into "some kind of outside intervention of unknown origin" that aided,or taught the Ancient Egyptians,or may have actually built that Pyramid...

And if the Egyptians built it,how come they could not build one now? In the city of Cairo right now,the Eyptians are not even able to build a 10 story building themselves without calling in designers and engineers from outside of Egypt to assist them with every structural detail...

Ever try to drag around a 300lb stone? Its really really hard to do...Now imagine dragging around a 80,000lb granite block...

reply to post by blocula

Cannot go alien until all of the terrestrial inconsistencies have been exploited and ruled out, which certainly, they have not as yet.

I believe that there was a central core of our technology that was wiped out of our historical grasp, somehow, by some means, and we do not really know but have clues. There is a huge gap in our understanding of what human beings have been capable of in the past, and a lot of that is just starting to come to light now that we have such dedicated scientists on the track.

We have to give them (the truly dedicated among us) the flag and see what progresses. We all want answers fast, but that is not the way of science, nor was it ever that way. It starts out slow and painful, but just look at some of the rewards as of late! We are finding out so much on an exponential scale now, and that scalar tract always leads to astounding revelation. If it turns out to be alien, or terrestrial, we will know very soon. My book is a mixed bag, but then, a presumption is all that this can be until facts become undeniable.

I still think that our terrestrial heritage is perhaps as astounding as what we envisioned our contact with the outside has produced, but that is conjectural extreme, and only allowed once we can explain ourselves.

Amazing thread!

But... I can't get past one problem. There is no way that they cut mammoth pieces of granite into precision blocks with stone chisels or copper. It did not happen. So, it seems there is a missing piece to the puzzle. Lost technology perhaps, or a forgotten or hidden understanding...

reply to post by lambs to lions


At the very end of the OP. There is a small bit of "Iron" found in the pyramid. Now was that just some sort of fluke or is that evidence that they had Iron and used it to make other tools? It's a controversial subject and hotly debated by some. If that is indeed proof they had iron then they could have easily used Iron to cut and shape large blocks easier than with Copper etc.

Originally posted by lambs to lions
Amazing thread!

But... I can't get past one problem. There is no way that they cut mammoth pieces of granite into precision blocks with stone chisels or copper. It did not happen. So, it seems there is a missing piece to the puzzle. Lost technology perhaps, or a forgotten or hidden understanding...

Howdy

It isn't a problem because they used copper on the limestone blocks not the granite. For granite they pounded it out using harder stone called diorite. They were also rather clever with how they split the granite to obtain nice smooth splits/

AE stone working

There was a speculation some time ago that was based on the work required to work granite vs limestone that Menkaure's pyramid would have absorbed a greater amount of man hours that Khufu's - as it used a prodigious amount of granite in its construction

reply to post by SLAYER69

That is a fact, Jack. Iron, albeit strongest, will not outlast copper or bronze in an age and oxidation fight.
The piece of iron found was badly damaged by oxidation. It was probably saved by being entombed between pieces of rock with little exposure to air or humidity. If the Egyptians indeed had Iron, then that would solve a great deal of the tools controversy. A very important part of this enigma.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by lambs to lions

 

At the very end of the OP. There is a small bit of "Iron" found in the pyramid. Now was that just some sort of fluke or is that evidence that they had Iron and used it to make other tools? It's a controversial subject and hotly debated by some. If that is indeed proof they had iron then they could have easily used Iron to cut and shape large blocks easier than with Copper etc.

edit on 3-12-2011 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)

The evidence seems to point to it being medieval iron. However if they did have iron tools that would have made their construction problems a lot easier!

Summary of the study of the plate

Iron plate

reply to post by Hanslune


Granite never cleaves on natural lines flat. It cleaves like ripples in water, along a relative plane, but never flat.
That is the problem with granite. To make it smooth, incredible work. Facing it is costly and extremely time consuming even to the present day. The tools used are pneumatic and powerfull.

I live in a granite rich area south of Boston. I live in a house originally built in the late 1700's My original foundation is made of cleaved granite block. it is as irregular as stated and although it could be smoothed out , today it would cost thousands to attempt that, so I just surfaced it with concrete.

Or....


The Ancient Egyptians found and worked an Iron meteorite and made some use of it. It is not unheard of Meteorite Iron being used in Ancient times. Too many possibilities. As has already been discussed earlier in the thread, IF the Egyptians had working knowledge of Iron then we should have found the foundries.

Which leaves us with two possibilities really, they may not have ever existed at all or we simply haven't found them yet.

Originally posted by charlyv
reply to post by Hanslune

 

Granite never cleaves on natural lines flat. It cleaves like ripples in water, along a relative plane, but never flat.
That is the problem with granite. To make it smooth, incredible work. Facing it is costly and extremely time consuming even to the present day. The tools used are pneumatic and powerfull.

I live in a granite rich area south of Boston. I live in a house originally built in the late 1700's My original foundation is made of cleaved granite block. it is as irregular as stated and although it could be smoothed out , today it would cost thousands to attempt that, so I just surfaced it with concrete.

edit on 3-12-2011 by charlyv because: spelling , where caught

Hey Charlie

Ah I've not worked with granite but all sources I have says it

A stone block split off with this method breaks cleanly and regularly and needs very little additional work

What they mean by 'additional work" is not clear, however the AE in their diorite bowl making showed a great effort and skill towards smoothing granite using grit. Elbow grease was never in short supply in AE, plus they only needed to polish the outer sides- you can see unfinished granite on Menkaure's pyramid

Originally posted by SLAYER69


Which leaves us with two possibilities really, they may not have ever existed at all or we simply haven't them found yet.

Bingo

If they did have iron it would have been very rare indeed so it is probable we could have missed an earlier foundry and/or during one of the periods of discord in Egypt the craft might have been lost.

reply to post by charlyv
I wasnt trying to go alien,i was thinking more like Atlanteans,survivors from the destruction of Atlantis built The Great Pyramid,thats what i think and that Pyramid is older than we are led to believe...imo...

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by charlyv

 

I wasnt trying to go alien,i was thinking more like Atlanteans,survivors from the destruction of Atlantis built The Great Pyramid,thats what i think and that Pyramid is older than we are led to believe...imo...

The Khufu pyramid is older than the others - at least 10000 years old and I don't care what the Haslunes or Stereoligists of this forum say. Practically nothing is known about this pyramid, outside of those wanting to keep its contents and purpose a secret, but I know something about it from sources I am not going to discuss.

There are two sets of spiral ramps inside this pyramid. (Pierre Houdin is correct when he says he has found one in the so-called "notch". I am certain it is the upper ramp of one pair that he has found). There are two, identical living spaces not too far from the apex - the lower ramp of each spiral pair gives easy access. There are two sets of terraced sediment tanks for the cleansing of water. The upper spiral of each pair was a flue used for the venting of the greenhouse gas Nitrogen from the apex via vertical vent holes that looked like royal cartouches. There is a stargate room. There is cold fusion illumination, which still burns today. There is a non-mechanical transportation system, which is different from the stargate.

This pyramid is full of treasure, but not in the form gold or jewels, but in the form of knowledge, technology, and true history.

One of the functions of the pyramid was the facilitation of Ascension, and I think resolving a disengenuosly put sexuality question, which involved two men being sealed inside, living and working, seperate from each other, having visits from women, until one of them triggered Ascension. However, there was an uprising before the pyramid could complete its function of filtering good people from bad, and those involved in the uprising still control Earth today and hold it in Ascension limbo.

Since the uprising, which was at least 10000 years ago, this wealth-redistributive, and heterosexuality hating group, has written graffiti on a wall inside the living space of the one who was going to trigger Ascension, and it states, "He must not Ascend." This group has kept Ascension is limbo for over 10000 years.

reply to post by Trafalgar1805

The Khufu pyramid is older than the others - at least 10000 years old and I don't care what the Haslunes or Stereoligists of this forum say

Howdy

Its not what we say it is what the evidence says. However please provide your evidence (other than denial of existing evidence) that shows it to be 10,000 years old also provide evidence of the culture group in that area at that time.....

One of the functions of the pyramid was the facilitation of Ascension, and I think resolving a disengenuosly put sexuality question, which involved two men being sealed inside, living and working, seperate from each other, having visits from women, until one of them triggered Ascension. However, there was an uprising before the pyramid could complete its function of filtering good people from bad, and those involved in the uprising still control Earth today and hold it in Ascension limbo.

Since the uprising, which was at least 10000 years ago, this wealth-redistributive, and heterosexuality hating group, has written graffiti on a wall inside the living space of the one who was going to trigger Ascension, and it states, "He must not Ascend." This group has kept Ascension is limbo for over 10000 years.

...and from where does this idea come from?

Originally posted by Hanslune
...and from where does this idea come from?

edit on 3/12/11 by Hanslune because: (no reason given)

It's not an idea, and sorry, I don't want to discuss the source of information.

The fluids poured from the jar when moving would be fats/oils for lubrication . The ball that you showed could very well be part of a ball bearing system not that different than what we use today in rotating devices .

reply to post by SLAYER69


True, if they did use iron then it would have made all aspects of the construction easier. Also, they would have used iron for many other things as well. Obviously, iron exposed to the outside elements would have completely disintegrated over the last few thousand years. However, iron left inside the structure would still be somewhat intact due to the overall dry nature inside the pyramid. If they did use iron, it makes me think that they would have incorporated it into the interior construction of the pyramid. They may have used it to make stronger pulley systems as well as other applications. I wonder if there is more evidence of iron inside the pyramid somewhere?

Originally posted by Trafalgar1805

Originally posted by Hanslune
...and from where does this idea come from?

edit on 3/12/11 by Hanslune because: (no reason given)

It's not an idea, and sorry, I don't want to discuss the source of information.

Then if would seem that I'm Collingwood to your Gravina

Originally posted by lambs to lions
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

True, if they did use iron then it would have made all aspects of the construction easier. Also, they would have used iron for many other things as well. Obviously, iron exposed to the outside elements would have completely disintegrated over the last few thousand years. However, iron left inside the structure would still be somewhat intact due to the overall dry nature inside the pyramid. If they did use iron, it makes me think that they would have incorporated it into the interior construction of the pyramid. They may have used it to make stronger pulley systems as well as other applications. I wonder if there is more evidence of iron inside the pyramid somewhere?

If you scroll down you'll find some more information on Iron in Ancient Egypt. Iron