How they Built the Great Pyramid of Egypt

Originally posted by jackflap
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

 

You may be correct I don't know. Mainstream science does not claim to know how it was done either. There are a lot of theories but no one can really pin it down. It is one of those mysteries that is fun to look into and consider. I'm not driven one way or the other.

Well, that is fair enough, mainstream science however is full of skeptical people.

And the dumbing down of society is a large part of the loss of knowledge.

From the burning of the Library of Alexandria to modern book-burning stupidity is on the rise.

You can pin it down if you research it thoroughly and take time to dig and learn.

This is exactly what modern Government does not want unless you stay within their narrow-minded control.

Originally posted by jackflap
I have heard that there were classes of slaves as well. Craftsmen and common labor. The craftsmen were responsible for the precision work that is so evident in these structures and the common labor did the bull work of moving them. It still is an awful lot of work to accomplish given their primitive techniques.

Yes, the caste-system, or classes of slavery was well known and used.

Farmers were farmers, stonemasons were stonemasons, warriors were warriors.

Common labor was for those people who had no trade or for overpopulation of some trades as well.

Just like today.

Yes, I agree, a lot of work, and as primitive as levers, pulleys, and ropes may be they stand the test of time.

They are still used.

Just as are their modern non-physical uses are tried through levers, blackmail, pulleys, framing up someone for a crime they did not commit, and ropes, as strings to attach to politicians, they mirror slave labor and the only real difference is who is a slave.

And who is a free man.

reply to post by PsykoOps


Well if it was their mission to cut the largest block of stone EVER and then drag it to that very spot and just leave it there then it was obviously mission accomplished.

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And the dumbing down of society is a large part of the loss of knowledge.

Speaking of which, you and Slayer seem to have been affected by this loss of knowledge. Everyone knows that Elvis built the Great Wall Of China. Where have you guys been? Great thread and a lot of good stuff here. I will be checking back and thanks for the info!

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For a minute there I thought you were going to say Elvis was dead.

Originally posted by jackflap
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

 

And the dumbing down of society is a large part of the loss of knowledge.

Speaking of which, you and Slayer seem to have been affected by this loss of knowledge. Everyone knows that Elvis built the Great Wall Of China. Where have you guys been? Great thread and a lot of good stuff here. I will be checking back and thanks for the info!

Yeah, and President Kennedy was shot by Oswald, you're so funny.

At least you have a sense of humor.

As well as a sense of wonder.

Hi, our SLAYER69, the best !

Originally posted by SLAYER69

OK so far we have
1. Artificial cement Stones poured in place [with no reference to or explanation about all the real-world physical evidence outlined in the OP]

BUT, did you not know about:
Michel Barsoum, Drexel University ?
www.livescience.com...

I do not have time to all read the link today, but the fact also confirms
what is said about "the way the big one was built",
in the second line of my signature. . .

Another thing to check : Are there hieroglyphs, in the big one,
showing how it was built ?

Blue skies.

reply to post by C-JEAN


We have gone over almost all of the above mentioned of theories so far. Thanks for the link. If I'm not mistaken he is standing in-front of the Red pyramid I linked to in the OP. That was a disaster. IF and that's a big IF they had used some sort of process of poured or formed stone then it is not a surprise they had problems of stability. The supposed poured stone may not have had the strength needed.

Originally posted by DB340
Wo, ok wait...

You're telling me that, in the past before our civilisation began to decay to the utter state it is in today, mental methods were used to drill and cut holes?

I've spent years interested in ancient aliens, time travel and basically everything this website stands for, but I have never, ever come across the idea that mass telekinesis was used to move, or do anything, to objects large and small.

I think you should open a new thread on this to introduce the concept to the wider community. I'd love to learn more about it with evidence.

Or, like usual, is it just an idea with absolutely nothing to base it upon?

Interesting.........

Genesis. It was in genesis when this all happened,the bible told you all dont trust the serpent/alien in the garden,dealing with the tree of knowledge>The tree of knowledge was never suppose to be touched,knowledge of writing,knowlege of language ,knowleged of drawing, was never suppose to be in the humnas of today.

It was a time when the air was as pure as gods breath,a time in which the water produced ever lasting life,a time in which every human in the world only used thier telepathy as well as mass telekinises.

BUT SOME WHERE IN HISTORY,THE APPLE WAS BITTEN ,AND THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE WAS READ AND TAUGHT TO HUMANS'

Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Has God indeed said, ‘you shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?”

2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘you must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’

6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, “Where are you?”

10 He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.”
11 And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”
12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”
13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

21 The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side[e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

Humans were always supposed to use telepathy and telekinesis AND LIVE LONGER THEN TODAYS HUMANS, but some where in history, humans ate from the tree of knowledge and listened to the serpent/alien.

Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast

and also desirable for gaining wisdom,

Then the eyes of both of them were opened

and they realized they were naked

“Who told you that you were naked?

Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”


He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat,

So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24


Before this event took place, all humans around the world did not know how to read, write, draw or think like mortals do today. Every thing they needed to know was already embedded in the brain as far as all common aspects of reading, math, building and construction.

Remember, writing and drawings 'APPEARED' out the blue in life and on earth, it wasn’t something that was learned, it just suddenly appeared, and it appeared at the same time on every continent in the world.

So when ever you look at the ancients, always pay attention to weather or not it was before they learned writing or after, you will be amazed what was built with out writing and mouth language, compared to what was built with telepathy and brain power.

i did a thread on this

3 Greatest secret ever told about the Great Pyramid of Giza.,

ps.hopefully nasa or scientist will find another pyramid on another planet,then i can tell you why all the connection are

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

Good thread slayer, however, I am not convinced that at least the Great Pyramid was built with rustic tools and just basic math. Today it is nearly impossible to build the pyramid, there are blocks which weight several tons and would have been impossible to set by hand even with pulleys, wheels and ropes.

IMHO Khufu found the pyramid already built, and decided to claim he built it. The Great sphynx of Giza is a clear example of an ancient relic which was found by a Pharaoh who decided to put his face instead of allowing the old lion face to remain.

The small human head, compared to the size of the body is a tell-tale sign that it had a bigger head, most probably a lion, or could even have been an statue of the cat goddess Bastet, or the lion-headed goddess Mafdet.

IMHO Khufu found the pyramid already built,
lol,you cant even imagine,you really just cant!!

Originally posted by Immortalgemini527
IMHO Khufu found the pyramid already built,
lol,you cant even imagine,you really just cant!!

To be brutally honest. I have thought about that possibility.

The Ancient Egyptians found the Very old Great Pyramid in disrepair. It took 20 years to refurbish and repair it Mostly adding the outer casings and building his burial temple outside and when the Pharaoh died was put into his tomb built outside of the Great pyramid. His Son, Khafri fixed and repaired the second one.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
How they Built the Great Pyramid of Egypt

Hi SLAYER69, I cannot say other than that you did post a marvelous thread here about a very interesting subject and it’s obvious that you really put a lot of work in there.
So, you have my compliments.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Just good old fashion backbreaking blood, sweat and tears.

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Regarding good old fashion backbreaking blood, sweat and tears, I thought this could be interesting.
Here a post from PhotonEffect in the older thread “Forbidden Egyptology” from Skyfloating where some guys (at least 30) trying to pull in this case a 25 ton block of stone as far as they can.
It is quite important to notice that it is done horizontally.

I post it only to give everyone a good idea of how very difficult it in reality must have been to drag all those blocks uphill and into their position.

Originally posted by PhotonEffect
Hey, here's some guys (at least 30 of 'em) trying to pull a 25 ton block of stone, hehe...
(I've included brief captions to each picture which are taken from the NOVA site- italicized portion)

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Modern-day builders would employ a crane and a flatbed truck to move a heavy stone like this one. But an ancient Egyptian relief painting shows long lines of men pulling a monumental stone across land. The NOVA team, .... , rely heavily on the same energy the pharaoh's engineers employed: the collective power of human muscle.

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To reduce drag and ease movement, a team member smears animal fat onto a wooden runner in the track along which workers will pull the 25-ton stone. Ancient Egyptians might have used slick wet clay to accomplish the same thing.
..........
Now here's the fun part...hehe.. there are about 32 (give or take that can be seen in the picture) men pulling those ropes...
..........

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At first the ropes stretch, and the stone refuses to move. Then stonemason Roger Hopkins climbs atop the stone and chants "God is great!" in Arabic to coordinate the timing of the pulls and to inspire the men. Exerting a tremendous effort, the men drag the stone a mere 20 feet.

Man that looks tough...So it took shouts of "God is great!" to get the 30 or so men to pull this stone only 20 feet. Of course we all know the Egyptians weren't Muslim back then. So what was their motivational force?

Also there are a couple of details missing which have not been provided by the NOVA team:
-They didn't mention how many men were actually used.
-They don't mention how long it actually took to move that stone.
-Although they mention they barely moved it 20 feet, they don't say if that was the total distance that was attempted...

Now multiply that one stone by a few million. 2, 5, 10, 25, 75 ,100 tons....whatever

www.pbs.org...

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I love watching those attempts at reconstructing the techniques used.

Now imagine them having nothing else besides farming to do? and also give them another 20 years or more to perfect the process.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by Immortalgemini527
IMHO Khufu found the pyramid already built,
lol,you cant even imagine,you really just cant!!

To be brutally honest. I have thought about that possibility.

The Ancient Egyptians found the Very old Great Pyramid in disrepair. It took 20 years to refurbish and repair it Mostly adding the outer casings and building his burial temple outside and when the Pharaoh died was put into his tomb built outside of the Great pyramid. His Son, Khafri fixed and repaired the second one.

edit on 21-3-2011 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)

By the way, your thread is super cool, and I love the way you have answered your replies
It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand that 3 strong men could lift a car, or 12 men could lift a bus, or 100,000 men could lift any thing with the right lubricant and skills.
The most important lift is getting under the object, after that it’s a piece of cake with the control of a half a million plus humans helping.. I guess ?????

reply to post by SLAYER69


It's also being said that Khafre found and restored the Sphinx, so it is quite possible they stumbled into it and moved in. Although they can't date the great architectures and are going by local geology, there are some that have discovered that the Giza pyramid and the Sphinx line up with archaeo-astronomical markers which takes their construction dates before the ice age. There will be tons of naysayers since it doesn't fit the biblical paradigm, but those prehistoric findings are pretty conclusive.

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reply to post by Immortalgemini527


You two may be interested in these two threads I've written if you haven't already read them yet. Don't let the thread titles fool you they are related to the "Ice Age" lost civilization theory.

Origins of Atlantis/Lemuria Myths Part-1 and Part-2

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by OuttaTime

 

reply to post by Immortalgemini527

 

You two may be interested in these two threads I've written if you haven't already read them yet. Don't let the thread titles fool you they are related to the "Ice Age" lost civilization theory.

Origins of Atlantis/Lemuria Myths Part-1 and Part-2

I'll check it out. I think we're probably on the same page on this. I'm a firm believer in the pre ice age civilizations. And the river erosion that wore down the Sphinx.

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I've never brought up the actual age of the pyramid. I was focused on the "How it was built"

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I can respect that. I'm putting a book together on chronologies and some of the pre ice age discoveries so I get carried away sometimes. The mystery of how the pyramids were built is just as mysterious as when they were built. I'm still kinda stumped on how they could move and set 200 ton headers and stones that large, but even more perplexing is how square, straight, plumb, and precise the stones are in the kings chamber. I saw a couple of the Pyramid Code documentaries and this lab tech was showing how the stones inside the chamber are nearly as perfect as his lab calibrated granite precision-plate is. It's fascinating!

Oh, S&F on this thread and your other links

How a pyramid REALLY gets built - I was having a look at some videos on youtube and found this "outstanding argument,"



Sorry for dodgy music : )

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by Byrd

 

Thanks for the reply.
As always, it is appreciated when a more knowledgeable member chimes in.

Regarding the Djed method, I too find issues with it but it does raise the question and possibility of pulleys and winching being used. I also like his idea of the ramping system he outlined. I added it to give some variety to the possible methods used.

I tried to break down the various known remnant components to the ridiculous. Everything seems to work if we let certain things that may not factor in to the accepted time-frame. Considering that the Ancient Egyptians were obviously way ahead of many of their contemporaries why is it so hard to believe they not only were able to build such large monuments but also had slightly more advanced metallurgy techniques figured out?

The monuments bit is easy, actually -- they were monument-happy. Remember how many people tend to think that a group of tribespeople just woke up one day and said, "Hey -- time to go build a civilization -- and PYRAMIDS!!!!" They forget that:
* by the time of the pyramids, Egypt as a civilization had existed for over 800 years
* they were making stone temples and buildings and forts during that time.
* they were making large statues and temple columns, too.
* everyone lived along the Nile river, and when the floods came the farmers were out of work (so working on the pharaoh's projects provided them and their families with food.)

So they had in place an expert labor force and craftsmen -- and VERY willing-to-work laborers who were paid in food. And the system had been going on for hundreds of years.

But metallurgy? No, that's harder to believe. We have the remains of their furnaces and there's no iron there. Iron from meteorites was occasionally worked (about a thousand years after the GP) but there's no tools and no trade (and no remnants) of using iron until the Iron age -- about 600 years after the date for the pyramids. And steel requires coal and much higher temperatures.

Any Iron and [possibly steal] they may have developed would have long since rusted away. [Easily could have happened over 3 to 4 thousand years] Leaving only small fragments. Alloys last much longer. [Bronze from Copper]

It does leave traces, yes. It also stains things (limestone, for instance.) And it stains the furnaces.

They had rope.

Whats the first thing one would do with it? Tie things up, Then bind things together. Followed by using it to lift and haul. Finally create methods to increase it's functionality - Pulleys and or creating a Windless.

Except... if they had the windlass/pulley technology for hauling things, they would have kept using it and it would have been a very common technique by the time of the Greeks and the Romans. After they stopped building pyramids, they kept on building large temples and hauling around statues.

First pulleys (that we have real evidence of) are from Greece and Rome.