Allied Forces Begin Military Action Against Libya - Live Updates

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander


Can you provide us with evidence of the "west" intervening militarily ONE TIME in a nation in which it did not have an economic interest for purely humanitarian purposes. One example.

WW2?
Nevertheless, no one cares about evidence in regards of this and you know that. In ttopics such as these, people think it is much more fun twisting together Alex Jones-dramas based upon fear mongering, hatred and prejudices before anything else.

Because we CAN provide hundreds of examples of people in humanitarian crisis in which the "west" did absolutely nothing to help the people who had nothing the west wanted.

Ofcourse you can, and probably even more than even exists too.

AND we can provide any number of examples where we ASSIST governments who are abusing their people when those governements are giving us what we want.

And, the other way around, History can also produce plenty of examples of large groups of people that never ever gets satisfied no matter which demands are met.
By the way, whom are "we", in this matter? That imaginary big gray mass I was talking about?

Originally posted by ModerateSkeptic
The Russian government seems highly opposed to the matter, I wonder why ? What are their gains in this ? Any ideas ?

Here is another article:
rt.com...

This caught my eye instantly:

US warships and submarines fired more than 110 Tomahawk cruise missiles into Libyan territory to disable air-defense systems, allowing French and British fighter jets to more easily enforce a no-fly zone. The attack on Libya marks the third Muslim country that the United States is now engaged in military operations with.

I don't think Libya has enough "air-defence systems" for 110 Tomahawk cruise missiles (have you seen a single AA gun fired) ?

22 targets, 20 hit. They included AA systems (missile or cannon), radar, command and control installations and ammunition depots...

Everyone keeps saying this is about OIL ?

Then i want those people to answer this question...

The US and other countrys have said that there will be no ground troops or occupying force and that they will NOT be going after qaddafi, so how do we plan on taking the oil??
It is purely a no fly zone and nothing more, so i fail to see how this is about oil?

Please explain this

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter


Hmm maybe carefully worded the USA are saying "they are not going after Gadaffii"

But maybe one of the other aiding countries are, politics is a crafty game..

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter

Originally posted by asala
Pentagon brief: Highlights....

"We are not going after Gaddafi

Strikes on Libyan ground forces south of Benghazi seen as 'quite successful'

Libyan forces "more pressed" now than before coalition strikes began -- Reuters

No indication of civilian casualties from air strikes in Libya.

Wait a min they are not going after Gaddafi? then who are they going after?:puz
If they aren't going after Gaddafi then they are going for the Oil supplies, its quite obvious.

edit on 20-3-2011 by Agent_USA_Supporter because: (no reason given)

They are not targetting Gaddafi directly. They are acting as enablers for rebels to enact their own regime change.

If, by chance, they take him out - that of course will be seen as a bonus. They are not making planned attempts at taking his life directly. If they were, it would have happened by now.

Please explain why it is obvious oil is the target.

reply to post by Itop1


New regime takes power, the west asks for a sweet deal, with a friendly reminder of what happens to regimes that don't fall in line.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Itop1

 

New regime takes power, the west asks for a sweet deal, with a friendly reminder of what happens to regimes that don't fall in line.

But Qaddafi has quite clearly said he wont leave and will die before he does, hes a maniac with the support of his sons, i cant see him stepping down, instead, i see him using crazy weapons against his own people, if the west really wanted the oil they would have thought up a better reason to take him out, just like they did in iraq with the MWD story.

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Please explain why it is obvious oil is the target.

Do you honestly believe that the people in iraq feel liberated now and that the fact that there country is been run by the united states of amercia?

Or the fact that halliburton send in mercenaries to grab the oil supplies from Iraq?


What makes you think that companies like halliburton and others wont do the same thing in Libya, sorry but i dont think amercia is doing a humanitarian mission humanitarian is just a cover for the media.

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by chukka

 

Please explain why it is obvious oil is the target.

Do you honestly believe that the people in iraq feel liberated now and that the fact that there country is been run by the united states of amercia?

Or the fact that halliburton send in mercenaries to grab the oil supplies from Iraq?


What makes you think that companies like halliburton and others wont do the same thing in Libya, sorry but i dont think amercia is doing a humanitarian mission humanitarian is just a cover for the media.

There is no indication that this is about oil, unlike iraq there was ground troops and NATO openly admitted they were going after sadam, they even had the playing cards, Libya is totally different, they have clearly said they aren't interesting in toppling qaddafi and the rebels arent strong enough to take him on, so i fail to see how this could be about oil.

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That is my prediction actually. After the nofly zone fails, as it will, the UN will say something along the lines of it's not enough, innocent people are still dieing! And it will escalate, they didn't start out full scale, because after iraq, people would see it as the same thing. They have to take this one a bit slower, and let more rebels die, so the majority feels justified in a full on war.

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mercenaries can be send in under the gasp of a so called humanitarian cover up by the media notice how the news network reporters never report on the rebels stronghold city port?


The united states of amercia has hired mercenaries and terrorists in the past.


Every war since the cold war my friend has been about oil you better wake up and start realizing that fact..

Do you honestly believe that the people in iraq feel liberated now and that the fact that there country is been run by the united states of amercia?

Or the fact that halliburton send in mercenaries to grab the oil supplies from Iraq?


What makes you think that companies like halliburton and others wont do the same thing in Libya, sorry but i dont think amercia is doing a humanitarian mission humanitarian is just a cover for the media.

We're not talking about Iraq here, are we? I don't have a crystal ball as to what the future holds. As I understand it BP already have the contracts, leaving Halliburton out in the cold.

And once and for all - this is NOT just the USA acting independently. It is a multi-nation effort including Arab League participants.

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter

Originally posted by asala
Pentagon brief: Highlights....

"We are not going after Gaddafi

Strikes on Libyan ground forces south of Benghazi seen as 'quite successful'

Libyan forces "more pressed" now than before coalition strikes began -- Reuters

No indication of civilian casualties from air strikes in Libya.

Wait a min they are not going after Gaddafi? then who are they going after?:puz
If they aren't going after Gaddafi then they are going for the Oil supplies, its quite obvious.

edit on 20-3-2011 by Agent_USA_Supporter because: (no reason given)

There doing what they have said they are doing all along


There just imposing a no fly zone to stop Gaddafi killing any more of his own people, simple


Have a little bit of faith in humanity and people doing the right thing

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by Itop1

 

mercenaries can be send in under the gasp of a so called humanitarian cover up by the media notice how the news network reporters never report on the rebels stronghold city port?


The united states of amercia has hired mercenaries and terrorists in the past.


Every war since the cold war my friend has been about oil you better wake up and start realizing that fact..

edit on 20-3-2011 by Agent_USA_Supporter because: (no reason given)

Can you supply evidence that the US hire terorists? and i dont mean something from sombodys blog, and can you also prove that every war has been about oil because as far as i understand thats just a big conspiracy which has become the common belief of many people, its like religion, just because somebody believes god exists doesnt mean its true, yet they are certain one does.

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There just imposing a no fly zone to stop Gaddafi killing any more of his own people, simple

Right just like saddam and Iraq

So let us get this story straight..

They are 'Not' going after Gadhafi..

They are going to enforce and monitor this 'No Fly Zone' for who knows how long to "Save" the Civilians

Then what? how long will they monitor this 'No Fly Zone' indefinitely? how long before they leave does Gadhafi go at it again?

More Lies and More Rubbish on top of 'Propaganda and 'Spin'

Keeping all the debate aside.

Just heard on Sky news that Gadaffi compound has been bombed.

Need to confirm this.

Agent USA, you add me as a foe because i ask you a simple question?

I just think the whole oil debate has been blow way out of proportion, there are some people that believe everything the government does is part of some evil plan, i dont believe that

I predict that qaddafis forces will stop and eventually pull back, the no fly zone will eventually come to an end and qaddafi will remain in power.

this isnt about oil or removing qaddafi from power.

reply to post by asala

Hmm maybe carefully worded the USA are saying "they are not going after Gadaffii" But maybe one of the other aiding countries are, politics is a crafty game..

A game of words indeed

reply to post by Itop1


Come back here 5 years from and tell then how are the Libyans doing under a puppet state, so your saying the war in iraq has no been about the oil how cliche way of thinking.