Betting On Japan

Based on a skimming of history, I am betting on Japan.

Other parts of the world (I am pointing at you Middle East nations) may wish to take notes on how a truly advanced culture manages problems, recovers, and re-surges to new heights.

Watch and learn. Bet on Japan.

reply to post by mike_trivisonno


It's too early to say.

Honestly I don't really see how at this point Japan is going to pick itself up from this. It's looking possiblle they are all over red rover.

Of course I am hoping that somehow they can

Very true.. Japan has gone through worse in the past.. Am japanese and returning home to assist as am a physician.. We will rebuild as always have and always will. Earthquakes are a fact of life in japan that we live with..

Japan has a better chance of coming back from this than the Libyans have of ever erecting a functioning society based on Islam. The two cultures are day and night. As will be illustrated to the world in the coming decades.

My thinking is that 20 years from now Japan will have moved to new heights and Libya, and indeed the majority of the Middle East, will still be mired in cultural swamplands.

The lesson being taught is valuable and comes at great cost.

I wish I understood the subtitles being played out. I know nothing about Japanese etiquette. I feel like a total outsider watching the videos. Something beyond my scope of knowledge is being played out before my eyes.

It looks to be a force of good which is reassuring.

Your gamble is short-sighted imho.

You are failing to take into account the radioactive pollution will last upwards towards 100 years.

IMHO, it's just your wishful thinking combined with denial and an effort at any cost, to rationalize this away and pretend it's not as bad as it really easily could be.

I personally don't like to bet on people's lives. But we are talking about mass evacuations here.

We hope and pray that YOU are right OP.
We fear that you are Wrong.

reply to post by muzzleflash


I am operating in near total ignorance, but it appears that the situation is 10 times worse than they are saying and 100 times less than what we are imagining.

There is work being done to mitigate the dangers. As the months roll by and more power is delivered to the site, efforts will increase and danger decrease. They must get power to the site. Which seems to be happening soon. A whole city will need to be constructed to house the thousands of individuals working to entomb the site. And a supply chain to support them. It will happen and is probably happening as we speak.

It must be done.

I think America should swivel away from the Middle East and give all requested assistance to Japan. Let the French and the UN play around in the sandbox for a while. Japan has REAL need right now.

As long as the whole island is not blanketed with fallout, then I'm with you.

The Japanese have been rebuilding for at least 1000 years. Quakes and tsunami are just another part of life to the Japanese. They have been dealing with both for as long as their culture has existed and they are still here. I have no doubt of their ability to rebuild as long as they have land left to build on.

reply to post by mike_trivisonno



S & F!

You got it dead on the money Mike.

Most people don't know their Japanese history. In the space of fourty years they went from being an non-industrialized feudal society to being an industrialized world power. After WW2, despite almost totally being
ruined, within ten years they were back on their feet and better off than ever.

I would NEVER bet against the Japanese.

Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
Based on a skimming of history, I am betting on Japan.

Other parts of the world (I am pointing at you Middle East nations) may wish to take notes on how a truly advanced culture manages problems, recovers, and re-surges to new heights.

Watch and learn. Bet on Japan.

Saudi Arabia is one of the most advanced areas on earth. You would not believe the amazing University systems and public infrastructure there. I know that you have only gotten feedback from major American News which likes to show our 'enemies' as near neanderthals grovelling in the dust, as this makes it easier to subsequently bomb them to hell and back.

I could make a news story or documentary on the U.S. that would make us look like the most poverty ridden, backward place on earth by selective filming and editing.

The middle eastern cities who are 'backward' in some ways are only that way because the U.S. and Europe has supported Dictators over the years who keep the people as backward and uneducated as they possibly can- to avoid insurrection.
The typical Saudi Citizen gets free university education, free health care, energy at pennies on the dollar, and an economy currently better than our own.
So before you go pointing fingers, do some research.
No country is perfect, but if we get the Theocrats, (Christian and Muslim) Greedhead Corporations, and their Political Puppets out of the way- any country can be a wonderful place to live.

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I am with you. Many in the Japanese goverment before this terrible incident have said that they lost their animal spirits, and signs of it were showing economically etc etc.

One thing is for sure, this will ignite it again! It will not be easy, but looking at their past tragedies, has it ever been?

With a little help from whatever higher power exists, and efforts of brave men, so that this nuclear mess doesn't effect an unbearable amount of their country, the engines of Japan will begin pumping again.

I think that after this disaster... Japan will move on to develop clean vacuum (quantum) energy. They are smart enough to be able to. I hope they don't waste time on hot/cold fusion energy. With vacuum energy, they could jump ahead of all other countries in domestic energy production and space flight propulsion.

reply to post by Stratus9


I will not labor this point past this observation.

The manner in which your country's wealth was derived is the purposeful manipulation of the oil supply to the detriment and demise of the rest of us. Do not play the victim crap with me. The OPEC nations are parasites on the planet and the main reason we desperately seek alternatives to your oil reserves.

reply to post by Larryman

Is this entire thread designed to put certain cultures on a pedestal in order to denigrate other cultures?

Sure Japan came back, as the horrified world sent them billions in aid, educated personnel and technology to do so. That may have helped a bit.

But snippets like this from the news is really concerning:

Also Saturday, a Tokyo Electric official said three holes apiece have been drilled in the ceilings of the Numbers 5 and 6 units in order to alleviate pressure. A hydrogen gas buildup had previously contributed to explosions at the Numbers 1, 2 and 3 reactors. Story

Excuse me? You mean they didn't already have pressure relief valves in the roof in case of overheating/hydrogen build up? Are you FREAKING KIDDING ME?

reply to post by mike_trivisonno


The jury is still out on this one.

I know they are a proud and stoic people, but they need to avert a catastrophic nuclear meltdown if they are to have any chance.

I wish them all the best with this.

reply to post by Stratus9


Not to denigrate. Only to point out how a functional culture like that expressed in Japan, is superior to a dysfunctional culture like that expressed in Libya.

It can be instructional to the people of Libya to watch and learn from the Japanese.

Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
reply to post by Stratus9

 

Only to point out how a functional culture like that expressed in Japan, is superior to a dysfunctional culture like that expressed in Libya.

I'll make it easy for both of you by saying the whole world could learn a lesson from the Japanese. Look at how western populations handle disasters. Katrina for example. Enough said.

reply to post by mike_trivisonno


well out of some mirical people managed to come out of hati alive despite the quake, disese hurricane, lack of food, water and supplies. so i think when japan can get the nuclear situation under control they will come back

reply to post by mike_trivisonno


This reply answers the question I posed - meaning this thread is not about Japan but that the OP is using Japan's tragedy in order to denigrate a specific other culture. Shame on you.

And I am an American whose family has been here since 1633. If History teaches you anything at all it is that cultures change, and change rapidly over time. To denigrate one culture over another is narrow minded at best and racist at worst.

And about the OPEC scavenging on the world? You better look in your own backyard, fella:

The secret group setting the price of oil: Us.

In this excerpt from The Asylum: The Renegades Who Hijacked the World's Oil Market, Leah McGrath Goodman witnesses a NYMEX energy trader hazing ritual and watches Bill O'Reilly uncover how those traders set the price of a barrel of oil. Who Hijacked the Worlds Oil Market?

Originally posted by FreeSpeaker
As long as the whole island is not blanketed with fallout, then I'm with you.

The Japanese have been rebuilding for at least 1000 years. Quakes and tsunami are just another part of life to the Japanese. They have been dealing with both for as long as their culture has existed and they are still here. I have no doubt of their ability to rebuild as long as they have land left to build on.

How would you be able to tell though? With snow all over the island, fallout would be hard to see with the eye