Japanese Finally admit leak will kill people...head of plant breaks down in tears

Originally posted by inthemass
reply to post by nrd101

 

I'm in So. Cal and i've been thinking about purchasing a Geiger Counter. It would be worth the money IMO. Let's hope it doesn't get any worse....

edit on 18-3-2011 by inthemass because: (no reason given)

Yesterday I found this site:
www.radiationnetwork.com...
showing radiation levels in the States, automatically updating.

reply to post by antar


Me too, what could he do, what could anyone do?

Thanks esdad71 for starting this thread. I have NOT seen this photo in ANY Japanese media. They are hiding the truth from the Japanese public to prevent mass-panic in Tokyo.

I just ordered my Potassium Iodide even if only "low doses" of radiation will get to the US I think it will be helpful to have a higher blood level of this because who knows what other radiation sources we are already exposed to every day : / Potassium Iodide

reply to post by lowlowz


um, it's NOT a good idea to take potassium idodide unless you absolutely have to. There are risks to you health involved with taking it, and it's not going to protect you from anything other than from radioactive iodine getting in your thyroid and causing cancer. But if you want to get iodine poisoning by all means go ahead

THIS is why the CDC is advising people to not take KI at the moment. Low levels not harmful to your health does not warrant taking potentially detrimental pills

Originally posted by LadySkadi
That is so sad. There are people there who have done and are still doing whatever they can think of, to lesson this disaster. That is still something. I can't even begin to imagine how overwhelmed they must be with the multiple disasters ongoing (earthquake/tsunami and the nuclear reactors) it really is just beyond imagining...

edit on 18-3-2011 by LadySkadi because: (no reason given)

That is so sad. There are people there who have done and are still doing whatever they can think of, to lesson this disaster. That is still something. I can't even begin to imagine how overwhelmed they must be with the multiple disasters ongoing (earthquake/tsunami and the nuclear reactors) it really is just beyond imagining...


The real sick thing is that we may see 2/3 or all of Japan become uninhabitable by humans in a few months. The wind and weather is supposed to this weekend blow to the south and Tokyo is 150 miles from the 6 reactors along with the rest of the country. After surviving the nuclear blasts from WWII, then rebuilding, then becoming a world power again in economic and technology to have nuclear energy once again deny them a future. This country has had major earthquakes and tsunamis well before written history and very strong, they rebuilt and it was the end. Now they will have a landscape that will look clean but will be so radioactive that they can't live their.

Originally posted by inthemass
reply to post by Vandalour

 

This is a sad picture.

Overwhelmed: Tokyo Electric Power Company Managing Director Akio Komiri cries as he leaves after a press conference in Fukushima

Awww my heart bleeds for him, oh no.... Wait.... Actually I care more about the 30 children in this thread than I do for that man. I care more about the 1000's of people who's lives are ruined by his companies use of nuclear power. He is crying for himself, no-one else.

that's just a picture of a sad little man with a comb over that's made a LOT of money from nuclear power.

this is a SAD PICTURE

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Jeffrey Patterson, a radiation exposure specialist, had an even bleaker assessment.

Unlike natural disasters, such as earthquakes, with nuclear accidents, ''the end never comes,'' Patterson said.

''This just goes on forever, because the effects of radiation go on forever,'' he said.

link

It just... breaks my heart.. The whole thing breaks my heart....


That doesn't add much to the discussion, I know... but... really... I guess... what else can one say? It is simply....Heart breaking.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


Oh for Gods sake I couldn't agree with you more, I pray that when the time comes I will walk my talk and do everything solely by my instinct, intuition and not what they tell me to do. This is the only logical way I can figure to keep my family and children alive. You know instinct has never let anyone down yet.

reply to post by elfie


so thats where all the boron from korea that they bought is gonan go but how in the heck are they gonan get 50 tonnes of boron there with out machines? the logistics is a nightmare

reply to post by JohnnyTHSeed


You were talking about wind power. It's a matter of interest to me at the moment, as they're considering putting multiple windmills across the water from my cabin. You might find this article of inters. (Bear with me, this will be my first attempt at including a link.)

"Results from climate modeling studies by myself and others suggest that large-scale use of wind power can alter local and global climate. Wind turbines can change wind patterns which can in turn change the climate by (slightly) altering amount of heat and moisture transported by the winds. The fact that an enormous number of wind turbines can change the climate is not important; many human activities can change the climate if they occur at a sufficiently large scale."

So, if it compares to the effect of "many human activities" it's not important?

people.ucalgary.ca...

reply to post by esdad71
Everyone keeps saying they just wanted to keep face, trust me if it was the US it would be the same thing. The look on that man's face is not saving face. He had the strength to stand up to politics and power to tell the truth. Saving face is not betarying your fellow man, which governments and corperate industry does all the time. Trust me if this was the New Madrid or the Nuclear Plant on a fault in California, you would not even see someone with the courage and shame of this man stepping foreward and telling the people the truth. Remember 3 Mile Island, They killed her to keep her from telling the truth and he is lucky to be alive.

The PU is in all 6 reactors and this is only one plant in trouble and only one with the Mox fuel, which goes fission under heat. The nuclear chain reaction he is talking about?.............

Japan has the largest amount Mox fuel in the world other than France their supplier. I've been reading and scanning pdfs and stuff today on Mox, and also, they have enough for 60 bombs.

The cement is one thing. It has get cooler for that I understand. But the just what kind of chain reaction is going to happen?

im in N. CA, and i really dont think there is a huge potential for extreme damage from this radiation. im more worried about the crazies that will go NUTS if there should be an alert put out. I consider myself a student of history, and i KNOW history repeats itself. there has been multiple nuclear events within close to the same range from CA, here we are...

if more than one reactor popped, than i would start to worry. but thats 5,000 miles away, if it continues to spew radiation out for WEEKS then there WILL be a problem.

reply to post by inthemass


This picture is why I have a hard time believing that the problems with the nuclear plants were deliberate. We know that the Japanese have done all that they could but it's always good to ask why they haven't done more.

If the same man in the picture throws himself off of a building, then we'll understand just how serious the Japanese people take things like this.

reply to post by Leo Strauss


Nuclear power is still the best hope for the future regardless of whats happening right now. The Japanese didnt go nuclear crazy for no reason. Even with all these reactors they are the worlds second largest importer of fossil fuels. They really dont have a viable alternative with so many people on such a small resource poor island.

Yes, its a disaster but its old plant built at a time when safety standards were generally lower worldwide.

Everything in engineering boils down to (probability of accident x severity of accident= risk) balanced against cost of further risk reduction. Everything, without exception.

Anytime someone tells you something is '100% safe' immediately call BS. What they really mean is it is believed to be demonstrated to have met a particular regulatory standard for societally acceptable risk.

Engineers try and get the balance right. In this case they didn't account for Tsunamis (although it seems it survived the quake). Be interesting if the Westinghouse design was copied directly from a US plant without factoring for the local conditions. That would explain much.

There is no 'absolutely safe' unless you are willing to derive 'absolutely no benefit'. That goes for everything in life.

People also lack perspective. If this nuclear plant kills 34,000 over the next 40 years it will be considered a world disaster of epic proportions. However, 34,000 people died on the US road system last year alone and thats considered a very good year. Where is the outrage? Where are the calls for banning roads?

Renewable energy wont cut it and the long term side effects of oil, coal are worse.

Originally posted by nrd101

Radiation is streaming into the atmosphere from the used uranium rods at reactor number four, after a 45ft-deep storage pool designed to keep them stable boiled dry in a fire.
And some of the radioactive material could reach Britain within a fortnight, according to experts.
However they say it will not be dangerous when it reaches our shores while low levels of radiation have already hit Southern California.


Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...

I'm in Northern California, so I'm thinking if low levels of radiation are in southern cali...thats not good. Do i seriously need to get a geiger counter? what is the danger level here? But gee man, I feel bad for the Japanese right now.

edit on 18-3-2011 by nrd101 because: quote prob

Have you seen the national map with radiation counts, the lime green one?

www.radiationnetwork.com...

Nationwide, it looks like there are 11 Geiger counters, total, and it updates every few hours or so. I question this site because initially ( a few days ago ) they had a different number for 'risk' level, having it at 130 cpm. Now it reads 100 CPM, but the updates are much farther apart than they were when two days ago. One time, a Geiger site somewhere in Indiana said 78 CPM. I'd say, therefore, that the government must have traded all their Geiger devices for body scanners.

The authorities need our help.

If you go out, don't bring any unlawful contraband such as plant matter, or cigarettes, and check ahead to see if any checkpoints are being set up to check all traffic, for signs of inebriation, improper seatbelt use, to inspect your trunk and undercarriage, or for bad attitudes. They might run a title check to make sure the vehicle was not stolen, especially if you ride a bike. Since you drew attention to yourself by landing at a roadblock, I'd guess they'll want to do a hands on check of the contents of your e-devices, especially if you answer the authorities that you are going out for some Geiger counters, and a snack. (we elected czars who gave obama the power to scan your e devices from a central locale, but they may want the most recent communications which may not be on the government database). Be polite and calm when answering where you were, where you are going, and the purpose for each of your stops. They really dislike it when you mix up your story and answer differently than when they asked you the first time. Depending on your body language, they may scan you for diseases.

Best to check tobacco laws, if you plan to smoke or to carry tobacco. You don't want to get held up outside at this time. But if you can get your hands on a Geiger counter, risking travel may be worth the trouble. There are only 11 devices reporting, on the whole continent.

reply to post by justwokeup


I highly disagree.

With a lot of nuke plants located on fault lines, I do not see nuclear as having much of a future after the outcome of this disaster in Japan.

It's time to dismantle nuclear power and find something cleaner and safer in its' place.

What about those people in hawaii? What wiill happen to them?