'The West is to be forgotten. We will not give them our oil' - Gaddafi

reply to post by JerryB08


I know you are probably not going to respond favourably to this, but here goes!

Any leader who fights back against rebels is killing 'his own people.' What should he do? Let trouble makers tear his country apart and leave it in anarchy, like Egypt? He has a patriotic and personal duty to the people of Libya, to maintain order and ensure prosperity. Russia Today reports that there were no airstrikes. Who, then, was bombing the country's oil and water pipelines?

The leader of Libya hates the West for far better reasons than that. He hates the West because Italy, for decades, kept his people subjugated and denied them equality, rights or a share in the wealth of their own nation. He hates the West because NATO is a coalition of imperialist powers that never gave up trying to control the world's resources, and never stopped trying to oust him. He hates the West because they sat their ships of his coast and armed the rebels in his country, waiting for their chance to strike.

The reports from Gaddhafi himself are that al Qaeda instigated this revolt; students WERE being drugged, possibly with something to make them aggressive (that would be useful, perhaps PCP?); the rebels began installed an 'Islamic emirate' in the east of the country and imposing harsh sharia law. Gaddafi, like Saddam, like all strong leaders in the M-E, has absolutely no interest in siding with a gang of international terrorists and vagabonds like al-Qaeda. They threaten to replace his progressive, nationalist regime with a repressive theological one. Nobody should be cheering that.

Do any of you uncritical critics know what distinguished the Libyan revolt from the Egyptian revolution? Massive counter-protests came out in support of Gaddafi. He is a national hero.

It seems that we don't really need disinfo agents to obfuscate things. So many people are willing to demand blood even when they haven't done the most cursory review of the situation and the information readily available in the journalistic media!


Silicone Synapse:

Libya's current oil production is, according to your chart, almost equal to Iraq. Do you know how many proven reserves Libya has vs. other nations?

Didn't one Saddam Houssein make a similar blunder just before the Gulf war when he tried to bribe Russia and Germany to lift the oil embargo by giving them their own oil fields, and then went on to confound the problem by saying that he would, in the future, sell his oil for Euro's a barrel instead of Dollars a barrel.
I wonder what Gaddaffi's personal advisor, Tony Blair (you heard me right!) has to say about this?

VIDEO:
U.S. hints at Libya airstrikes as Gadhafi pounds rebels

www.cnn.com...


Whether Obama does or doesn't.. He will be HIGHLY critisized. Poor guy.

I wonder how history will look on the UK when this is all over..? I sincerly wonder if William Hague hadn't said that Gaddaffi had fled the country bound for Venezuela whether the uprising would have reached the crescendo it has... I dont doubt for a second that some Libyans are now dead because they believed Hague's words and thought that governments troops would dispand once their leader had left the country.
"How wrong they were..."

Originally posted by SmedleyBurlap
reply to post by JerryB08

 

I know you are probably not going to respond favourably to this, but here goes!

Any leader who fights back against rebels is killing 'his own people.' What should he do? Let trouble makers tear his country apart and leave it in anarchy, like Egypt? He has a patriotic and personal duty to the people of Libya, to maintain order and ensure prosperity. Russia Today reports that there were no airstrikes. Who, then, was bombing the country's oil and water pipelines?

The leader of Libya hates the West for far better reasons than that. He hates the West because Italy, for decades, kept his people subjugated and denied them equality, rights or a share in the wealth of their own nation. He hates the West because NATO is a coalition of imperialist powers that never gave up trying to control the world's resources, and never stopped trying to oust him. He hates the West because they sat their ships of his coast and armed the rebels in his country, waiting for their chance to strike.

The reports from Gaddhafi himself are that al Qaeda instigated this revolt; students WERE being drugged, possibly with something to make them aggressive (that would be useful, perhaps PCP?); the rebels began installed an 'Islamic emirate' in the east of the country and imposing harsh sharia law. Gaddafi, like Saddam, like all strong leaders in the M-E, has absolutely no interest in siding with a gang of international terrorists and vagabonds like al-Qaeda. They threaten to replace his progressive, nationalist regime with a repressive theological one. Nobody should be cheering that.

Do any of you uncritical critics know what distinguished the Libyan revolt from the Egyptian revolution? Massive counter-protests came out in support of Gaddafi. He is a national hero.

It seems that we don't really need disinfo agents to obfuscate things. So many people are willing to demand blood even when they haven't done the most cursory review of the situation and the information readily available in the journalistic media!


Silicone Synapse:

Libya's current oil production is, according to your chart, almost equal to Iraq. Do you know how many proven reserves Libya has vs. other nations?

My son and I were only today having a conversation along the same lines.

If protesters went mob hand here in the UK would the government sit back and do nothing? of course not.

Originally posted by CanadianDream420
VIDEO:
U.S. hints at Libya airstrikes as Gadhafi pounds rebels

www.cnn.com...


Whether Obama does or doesn't.. He will be HIGHLY critisized. Poor guy.

Poor guy? Are you serious? That is what leadership is, making tough decisions, not dragging your feet.
How about poor dead guys on the ground because he can't make up his mind? You know, those same innocent protestors everyone had a bleeding heart for at the start of all of this. They are now the same ones being slaughtered by his army as he takes back those cities. If Obama moved at the start of this, Kaddafi would be the one surrounded in Tripoli, then he could have had all the time he wanted pussyfootin around with UN resolutions. As it is now it is too late. Benghazi is surrounded, the Red Cross even got out of there. He gave a 3 day ceasefire so he can stockpile artillery shells at forward positions then the city is gonna be leveled to nothing. A no fly zone won't stop a 24/7 nonstop artillery barrage till there is nothing left.

I like how some people instantly made this into a US issue, when he talks about the "west" of which the US is 1 country, when he is also talking about the rest of the western countries.

Anyway, considering he doesn't even have that much oil I don't see his threat as being very strong.

As far as the US's involvement, it just goes to show how you can't make everybody happy. If we do nothing, we are the bad guy. If we do act, we are still the bad guy. Pretty easy to be an America hater these days, huh? Whatever we do people will still # talk us, so why even bother?

Eh, atleast he's standing up for something now, although the way he's tackling the rebels is wrong lol

reply to post by James1982


We shouldnt bother. Its none of our business and we dont have the cash to be meddling all over the world to make the rich richer.

Let the rest of "the west" handle it if they are so concerned.

We dont interfere when its China killing Tibetans, why should we interfere when it is Gaddafi allegedly killing Libyans?

I personally was underwhelmed at the MSM "evidence" of his atrocities.

reply to post by James1982


Ok the US under Obama has not lead on this issue. This is evidence that Europe is handtied and utterly useless in taking on a leadership role in millitary interventions. Europe are the ones who will feel the economic punch of Kaddafi's oil off the market. If Europe won't act in their own interests with a giant humanitarian banner begging to be taken up for the cause, then that leaves only the US to still take on a leadership role to get them to follow along.

Only now when Obama has reversed and asked for not only a fly zone but wiping out ground forces also, is there movement to take action. Like it or not, nothing happens without US leadership, Libya will go down as a prime historical example. The problem for the rebels is there won't be any left by the time the first US bomb is dropped.

Originally posted by TinfoilTP
reply to post by James1982

 

Ok the US under Obama has not lead on this issue. This is evidence that Europe is handtied and utterly useless in taking on a leadership role in millitary interventions. Europe are the ones who will feel the economic punch of Kaddafi's oil off the market. If Europe won't act in their own interests with a giant humanitarian banner begging to be taken up for the cause, then that leaves only the US to still take on a leadership role to get them to follow along.

Only now when Obama has reversed and asked for not only a fly zone but wiping out ground forces also, is there movement to take action. Like it or not, nothing happens without US leadership, Libya will go down as a prime historical example. The problem for the rebels is there won't be any left by the time the first US bomb is dropped.

Like the poster before you, I don't think we should get involved at all. It's none of our business, and that's what the US always catches flack for, involving itself in other people's business.

Maybe it is the "right" thing to do to help the rebels out. Whos definition of right? There would still be people hating on America and talking about how we illegally entered another country and imposed our will upon them. You are making enemies either way, so why should we put ourselves into the shooting gallery just to make more enemies?

On top of that, odds are 20 years down the line the same rebels we helped out are going to be a thorn in our side. Just a bad idea all our. We need to withdraw troops from every corner of the globe, and not to a single thing to any other country unless they attack us. Let everyone else sort their own crap out, I'm tired of people blaming the US for all the world's problems, when if we would have stayed an isolationist country all these years, the whole world would still hate us because we sat back rich and happy and didn't help anybody out. We are always going to be hated by one side, so who cares. Lets take care of ourselves first and let the haters hate.