ATS - No1 for news and facts?

I have just read a report on The Guardian website. Interesting not only because of the curiosity which would have been expected of each and every reader of the article, but especially as a member of ATS.

The article entitled 'Running Scared' can be found here:

www.guardian.co.uk...

An excerpt here:

"Bin Laden was captured long ago, Reagan's death was hushed up and the coming election has been fixed. Jonathan Raban on how the White House's obsession with secrecy has turned America into a nation of conspiracy theorists."

The piece then goes on to include such as:

"Ashcroft, it turned out, knew no more than the rest of us. Like us, he or his flunkies passed their time surfing the net. When he told us that evidence for his grim warning had been "corroborated on a variety of levels", did he mean anything more than that it could be found on more than one website?"

"Just as the administration now moves in Cheney's arena of shadows, so masses of ordinary Americans are seeing themselves as self-appointed master-spies, keeping watch on their government in the same covert way that the government supposedly keeps watch on al-Qaida."

"This is an extraordinary moment in American history. Half the country - including all the people I know best - believes it is trembling on the very lip of outright tyranny, while the other half believes that only the Bush administration stands between it and national collapse into atheism, socialism, black helicopters, and gay marriage."

All of which I believe could relate to ATS and it's topics very comfortably. Allow me to add one last additional quote, and perhaps most pertinent of all:

"... we caught a rare glimpse of government Wizard-of-Ozzery at work."

ATS thread - www.abovetopsecret.com...
Entitled "Wizard Of Oz Mind Control" and where is this thread aptly located? In the Education & Media forum.

Taking into consideration this article combined with talk recently of ATS being monitored and other suchlike, I really wonder where some of the hits this site recieves may be coming from. Perhaps even to escalate that a quote from an ATS member may be given as evidence by security services for justification of invasion?

Are we 'a source'?

Jack

[edit on 21/7/04 by JAK]

[edit on 21/7/04 by JAK]

hi JAK
so are ya saying that conspiracy theories are becoming self perpetuating? The sources being quoted as evidence being yet more unfounded conspiracy theories?

Hey Moranity,

The paragraph:

Taking into consideration this article combined with talk recently of ATS being monitored and other suchlike, I really wonder where some of the hits this site recieves may be coming from. Perhaps even to escalate that a quote from an ATS member may be given as evidence by security services for justification of invasion?

was (jokingly? ) in reference to the 'solid intelligence', (as stated by Colin Powell to the United Nations), which was found to include the use of an essay written by the student Ibrahim al-Marashi in 2002.

If such a thing can be taken and used in justification for war - stated as 'intelligence', then surely it is not that much of a jump that such in depth and analytical debate as is commonplace on this site also be applied in such a manner.

Taking what you have posted though, along with the above example of quality intelligence gathering, it could indeed be said that conspiracy theories have the ability to become self perpetuating.

The point I was making in the initial post though, relating to the information contained within the link, was - could it be that ATS is being used as a 'source' for the media (albeit subtly) because of it's size, popularity and the contents addressed within the many forums to be found here. A trip to Google regarding a myriad of diverse subjects easily brings up the ATS site.

So with all the above, is it too much to theorize that an inquisitive journalist, or some other, make use of such an easily accessible and plentiful accumulation of views on such varied topics?

Jack

THis is not surprising at all. I have seeen things in the paper/tv/radio 1- 5 days after seeing it here. The difference is you get the whole story here and there is no spin on the facts-just data allowing us to make up our own minds about the subjects, insted of being told what and how to feel about it-network news.

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
THis is not surprising at all. I have seeen things in the paper/tv/radio 1- 5 days after seeing it here. The difference is you get the whole story here and there is no spin on the facts-just data allowing us to make up our own minds about the subjects, insted of being told what and how to feel about it-network news.

The Marlon Brando story broke on ATS 3-4 hours before it started showing up on other news sites. We have a conspiracy minded well read membership!

We are the source. We control the world!!!!!

I see no conspiracy here, just a lot of hard work done by the ATSNN staff. If you were in the media business you would be a fool not to use that tool if you stumbled across it.

Hows this one
posted at Rense
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