Far side of the moon revealed in amazing mosaic of orbiter images!

reply to post by BrokenCircles


i'm pointing at the fact they are going inwards, wich is not possible,infact it should actuly go outwards ( if they where stiched together)

to me ( and i use photoshop evryday) and to me it litterly looks like they took 1 side copied the otherside and the repainted stuff to make it look ' natural"
u can see at some points even the overlay lol

And you dont need to be a genius to see how big the differents is between front and back.

reply to post by Cyanhide


Ok, I can kind of see what you are saying, at the top. Not really on the bottom though. I am not very familiar with photoshop, and I am definitely not familiar with any method, at all, of combining 15,000 images into 1 pic.

I just can't think of any good logical reason for them to create an entire fake. Why would they do that? If there really is something to hide, then we were just fine thinking that a good, clear image could not be taken. I have never personally heard or read where anybody has said, "I guarantee there are alien mansions on the dark side of the moon, because I cannot find 1 single picture of it." I don't know. That's just my opinion, but I can't think of any good reason for them to show it, if it isn't actually close to what it really looks like.

reply to post by BrokenCircles


well tbh ,i completely agree with you,
however i can only see that with that photo has bin messed :p

reply to post by lektrofellon


nice photoshop job.
now where are our moon bases?

reply to post by lots of people


So, the gist of this thread (that is, the responses to the OP) seems to be:

"I don't see what I expected to see, therefore the images are false."

Does it not occur to anyone that perhaps their expectations might be completely wrong?!

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I've said it elsewhere, but it bears repeating:

Sometimes I think ATSers think that The Smoking Man and Agent Smith personally supervise every pixel.

This 24,000 x 24,000 mosaic was created by one or more Arizona grad students who probably didn't get paid anything extra for doing it. They put it together from LROC WAC imagery because it is cool and they wanted to share what they do with the public.

For their efforts,internet ignorami use every flaw to insinuate that they are liars, conspiritors, "disinformation specialists" and worse.

Shame on you.

reply to post by TomServo



So true! We can't expect to see anything from that far away. Why do they have to compose 15,000 pictures? Why can't they just take 1, hi-res photo?

Originally posted by cassp83
Why can't they just take 1, hi-res photo?

Is that a serious question?
Why can't they just take 1 hi-res photo of the other side of the moon. :bnghd:


reply to post by Saint Exupery

I for one, do not think they are fake.
It's nice how your post doesn't even give your opinion or view of it. At least the other, much smaller posts, shared their opinion. What does yours share? an ape. that's relevant.

reply to post by cassp83


Because you get better resolution this way. It works like this:

- So you have a camera that takes your one, high-resolution picture.
- However, resolution is always limited by the size of the camera optics.
- You can't build (or launch) infinitely-large optics, so if you want even better resolution (and really, who doesn't?), you have to move the camera closer.
- But then the whole moon doesn't fit in the image any more.
- That's OK, just take several pictures and stitch them together to form a mosaic of the whole hemisphere.
- And if we can do that, then we can move the camera even closer, to get even better resolution, and take a whole bunch of pictures and make a super-awsome mosaic.
- Say, 15,000 or so?

Hope this helps.

Originally posted by BrokenCircles
reply to post by Saint Exupery

 

It's nice how your post doesn't even give your opinion or view of it. At least the other, much smaller posts, shared their opinion.

Of what value is an opinion that is totally uninformed? My post was directed at those who insinuate fraud because of the arrogant assumption that their expectations cannot be wrong.

What does yours share? an ape. that's relevant.

Mea Culpa. My uninformed belief was that the "facepalm" image was commonly understood to be an expression of exasperation - much like your unwarranted :bnghd: emoticon in response to cassp83's inquiry. My apologies for the misunderstanding.

Another thing to keep in mind is that this an orthographic view. All the photos used in the mosaic were taken with a sun angle of 55 to 70 degrees at the equator. So this is not how the far side would actually appear to the eye. But what it does do is highlight the terrain in a consistent manner, making comparisons of different areas more appropriate.

Here's a video they made mapping an orthographic view of the whole moon in 3D: Video

At their web site, they have orthographic views cetnered on the equator at every 60 degrees of longitude, so you can look at it not just head-on to the near or far sides: Farside! And all the way around

It definitely has had a less violent past than it's other half.
SnF

reply to post by Violater1


Actually, the far side is likely to have experienced more impacts than the near side. Hence, the far side is almost saturated with craters while there are large areas of maria, the dark, relatively smooth volcanic plains, on the near side.

I expected larger craters, much like the side we see, especially since it faces out.
Interesting find none the less
S & F

reply to post by isthisreallife


It's even more interesting than that: The heavily-cratered areas are actually what's normal.

When we look at other moons and planets in our solar system that - like our Moon - lack an atmosphere or active geology (i.e. volcanoes and/or plate tectonics), what we see is a surface saturated with craters.

Mercury, Callisto, Phoebe and Mimas, to name a few, all show countless craters shoulder-to-shoulder, and a few, randomly-placed big whacks that "reset" large areas. Note that on worlds that have higher gravity than the Moon (like Mercury & Callisto), the craters tend to be shallower (i.e. more filled-in because the higher gravity pulls-down the rims), whereas on the lighter-gravity orbs like Phoebe & Mimas, they tend to be proportionally deeper than what we see on Luna. Also, the larger bodies (such as the Moon, Mercury Mars, & Callisto) either have or had liquid under the surface (magma in the rocky worlds, water in the icy ones) that, when the "big whacks" came, filled-in the large impact basins, creating the smooth(ish) "seas" like those that dominate our Moon's near side (see the OP image).

The far side of our Moon shows the same pattern. The mystery is, why does Luna have so many large impact basins, and why are they mostly grouped on one side, instead of distributed randomly? It may be related to how our Moon formed from the debris of a planetary collision, but we need a lot more data (read: Moon rocks) before we can solve this puzzle.

Nasa sure get's the BEST CANTALOUPE money can buy for there pics, don't they!?!

I really don't understand why people think that photos of the far side are something new. As Dr. UAE already pointed out in this thread, we had pix of the far side almost 52 years ago. 41 years ago, my dad sent in a coupon from a Cheerios box and got a 12" Rand McNally globe of the moon that showed as much detail of the farside as it did of the near side (there were some small, blank areas near the poles that had not been imaged and were thus "Terra Ingognita").

That said, the new mosaic in the OP is spectacular.

reply to post by Saint Exupery

Could the Earth's gravity have affected the spacing of the craters?

Also, it would make sense that a planetary collision would have made the Earth-facing side more heavily cratered. One of the millions of questions that need answering about our closest neighbor.

Why is this being discussed again? I'm pretty sure it was already discussed a while back when it was released.
I remember people in a thread looking all over these HD pictures for moon anomalies the moment it came out.

-at this point, I'd rather see another thread about how a UFO was seen in Japan during the quake.

joking aside, I mostly come to ATS for news I wouldn't normally see in the news everyday.

As these photos were released a few months back, your way behind in the times.

People that post here on ATS don't wait 2-3 months to publish newly rising stories. With as many members that we have, chances are that if a breaking news story, or something dealing with a conspiracy (as such with what the far side of the moon looks like) it was already posted 25 seconds later. This is not news anymore.

Someone please find the thread for me...

MODS, please FIX THE !#$%!^@#%@#$!^ SEARCH ENGINE! oh and close this thread. thanks

~the Doc

How is it that on any of our missions to space, or mars, that we don't have any photos of the lit-up backside of the moon, in single shots?



I would think that there are orbits that can accomplish this, just like the photos that we take of Earth.

Awesome, thanks! S&F!