Casey - The kid who had enough of being bullied!

reply to post by Toecutter.


Thank you. You are everything I oppose.

reply to post by bowtomonkey


OK so you admit you've never been bullied, so therefore you don't know the mental and physical pain that bullying causes. And please, don't you DARE tell me it doesn't cause pain, I was one of those bullied people who wishes to God I had had the balls to stand up to my tormentors and show them some payback.

Its the reason I'm an anti-depressant popping angry mess today.

I think they are a few either past bullys, parents of bullys or present bullys in this thread.
Hence the over identification with the assailant.
Anyone who can see themselves in this violent kid has issues that really should be seen too immediately.

reply to post by bowtomonkey


Lolwhat?
Sorry that is about the only response I can give to that one....

reply to post by bowtomonkey


Are you resorting to name calling now ? Is that what its come down to ? You may have been unlucky enough to have had all the abuse you could handle from your family, and that is appalling of course. My deepest sympathies Sir.
But, for those who are taught about fairness, decency and respect for your fellow man from the age of awareness onward, and are then put in a school system which supports NONE of that, being assaulted by other students day by day is a terrifying ordeal, with no visible end , and no sensible solution.
You literaly have to loose your mind to deal with it, compartmentalise your mind, and shut off your outer reactions, because if you dont, if you retaliate (read defend yourself) you get worse attention from the school than any of the thugs who cause the issue in the first place. Its ALWAYS been this way and it has NEVER been right, or acceptable.
That kids are learning to defend thier own well being in that situation, rather than being forced by the system to accept an intolerable situation is a good thing.
While I agree that people who might learn a lesson from getting beat down by a potential victim , ought to be free to learn that lesson, I genuinely believe that there are others who will never have the expirience, and never learn that lesson as long as they live.
These people, who think its ok to assault people at random, need to be taught a lesson which sticks, or removed from society until they are capable of participating in it, in a civil, decent, fair, and peaceful manner. Violent scum should be kept away from people who are actualy LIKELY to benifit society at some point. I can assure you , allowing these punk kids to get away with this crap with a slap on the wrist is nonsense. It just reinforces the idea that doing damage to people is fine, so long as all your buddies agree with it.

Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by bowtomonkey

 

OK so you admit you've never been bullied, so therefore you don't known the mental and physical pain that bullying causes. And please, don't you DARE tell me it doesn't cause pain, I was one of those bullied people who wishes to God I had had the balls to stand up to my tormentors and show them some payback.

Its the reason I'm an anti-depressant popping angry mess today.

Get off the pills. I've little more to say about that - except don't take me as an example, please.
I spend most of my time here learning a great deal from the esoteric threads.
My aggressive stance is almost completely flushed. I just see equals. Letting go...
I only want to live a life for real - everyone is welcome.

This topic is duality x 1000. You are better than that - always was and will be.

I'll fend your remark's with love.

Just point to something. Please!

I have some issues, myself, so don't use bullying against me.
I'm a guy wanting simple resolutions. I dare say I've done the hard yards.

Be gentle. I can be nasty. I fight like dog.

Originally posted by TrueBrit
reply to post by bowtomonkey

 

While I agree that people who might learn a lesson from getting a beat down by a potential victim, ought to be free to learn that lesson, I genuinely believe that there are others who will never have the experience, and never learn that lesson as long as they live.

CUT

I WAS a kind of bully at times. You know what I read / heard that people are much tougher than they know. I made the mistake of doing a punch on with a guy I tormented. guess what he didn't lose. It's all circumspect.Punch punch punch, he was equal! Don't underestimate people.

I never want to see PC grasp this.

When confronted bullies are no better. LEARN.

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And what did YOU learn? More importantly, drasticaly more importantly in fact, did you learn how not to be a thug, before or AFTER you made several other people wish they were dead? Im betting you got to the truth WAY to late to change any of the horrific damage you may have done to the lives of other kids, damage that may still be with them now.
The key factor here, is that people who cannot behave in a civil manner, do not deserve to be treated with respect, by thier peers, by the law, by anyone. That they are allowed to negatively influence people, to attack, to brutalise without adequate response , ANY person is WRONG.
You have to understand, that putting a person in the position of having to fight to prevent harm comming to them, when they would rather not have to fight at all is a great wrong to do to a young person, and regardless of the excuses, the whining about how hard life may have been, the only important persons where bullying is concerned are the victims.
Thousands of kids in the UK, millions world wide, have depression, sleep disorders, and suicidal tendancies SIMPLY because of people who have a thug mentality being allowed to access them, and do them harm, in an institution which they cannot avoid going to, where they must remain throughout the day, and where they must suffer. These young people are FORCED to suffer the violence vested on them for no reason, by ignorant savages with all the moral fibre of Hitlers oven workers.
People who do , or did ANYTHING to make the life of a child needlessly psychologicaly damaging, need to be absolutely ashamed of themselves, and really examine themselves to ensure that any of the dirt, and filth that thier previous behaviour represents, is either no longer present, or being cleared out. To remain the same sort of moronic half life that would attack an innocent person for no reason, brings all mankind down a notch.

Originally posted by bowtomonkey

Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by bowtomonkey

 

OK so you admit you've never been bullied, so therefore you don't known the mental and physical pain that bullying causes. And please, don't you DARE tell me it doesn't cause pain, I was one of those bullied people who wishes to God I had had the balls to stand up to my tormentors and show them some payback.

Its the reason I'm an anti-depressant popping angry mess today.

Get off the pills. I've little more to say about that

Ummm, what? You're the one identifying with and defending bullies - not me.

reply to post by Toecutter.


thank you for such a well thought out reply, you made some very apt points I'd not considered & I may have to rethink my position; there are definitely things you mentioned I had not taken into account.

One point in particular is that yes, that young boy easily could have been killed, and 5 month's later when everyone looked back on it, what would he have really died for? something easily preventable at the least.

It is a terribly scary trend to be honest. Imagine the world we face when you or I become 70-80yrs old, will it be safe to leave our apartment & go to the local store to get some food? when we pass the group of young people beating on a random passer by because some website will pay them per 1000 views & all constitutional rights are some distant mythological & misunderstood thing of the past... how will we cope bearing witness to such a horrible progression in society throughout our lives, what hope would we have for the future...

imaginative I know, but these are the things I dream of when I become aware of 'trends' like this.

I too would like to see an end to this attitude change in society fuelled in part by internet 'culture' & computer 'courage'. In my eyes it's dangerous as anything.

the whole thing is troubling to say the least and I sincerely hope for a far more beautiful & appealing outcome for the future.

Peace & thank you for a refreshing discussion
-B.M

Originally posted by Chadwickus
Oh yeah, the little twerp got what he deserved.

It's what happen when you mess with the bull, you get the horns.

I have to say though, I think someone has been watching some rasslin!

"watching some rasslin!" That's too funny.
2nd line

I grew up in a very rough neighborhood and there were fights behind the school almost every day. The worst part of the fight was hearing the other kids name shouted by the circle of idiots that always surrounded you. The good news was that when it was over, it was over and most times you actually became friends with the kid you were fighting with.
This is a part of growing up, it builds character. I think filming it, posting it and adults getting involved is ridiculous.

reply to post by Trublbrwing


I think something to keep in mind is that your experience is not the same as everyone's experiences. A one time fight....yes those happen, and if that was all that this was then it is more easily chalked up to kids being kids. But it has become known that in this case that it was a daily occurance over the course of 3 years. This was not a one time thing, the kid was picked on harrassed and beat up almost daily for 3 years because of this group of kids, and that sir is not something that should be chalked up to a kids bein' kids kinda response. There is enough stress in schools without being bullied added to the mix. Schools across the world need to ensure that the learning environment that our future attends is safe with a equal opportunity for all to make something of themselves other than being a thug or a punching bag.

I understand violence isn't supposed to be a solution.. but man, Casey took enough abuse from that little shrimp. Plus, he didn't throw the first punch, so technically the supposed lawsuit from the bully's mom won't do stick. Things could have been a lot worse imo, he mostly just shook him up, undertaker style

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Originally posted by lavenlaar
Casey Heynes - the larger kid has been suspended from school for defending himself.

I emailed his school about this. Why do school rules override his human right to self defence?

The old school policy of "let them beat the crap out of you and then run and tell the teacher" is just not compatible with real life.

The school is trying to deflect attention away from their incompetence since it is their responsibility to provide a safe environment for their students, which quite obviously they failed to do.

Originally posted by TrueBrit
reply to post by bowtomonkey

 

Thousands of kids in the UK, millions world wide, have depression, sleep disorders, and suicidal tendancies SIMPLY because of people who have a thug mentality being allowed to access them, and do them harm, in an institution which they cannot avoid going to, where they must remain throughout the day, and where they must suffer. These young people are FORCED to suffer the violence vested on them for no reason, by ignorant savages with all the moral fibre of Hitlers oven workers.

Do you not see a connection with the reaction to the bully in what you have stated above?

I could say anything here. It doesn't matter if I jumble words and make no sense. As long as I tick the wrong boxes people like you will come out boxing. I know that people suffer from bullying, but exactly what is it that gives you the right to demand a right to bully people?

The only thing I wanted to say when I started commenting here is that the bully is still a human. Why do you insist on taking that right away? Did he really forfeit his life? I've been arguing that he may have learned his lesson and that they are just children.

I understand that some people here were bullied and want to exact revenge and make him a scape goat. It ironic that the bullied become the bully AND demand the high moral ground. How is that an answer?

You have to be grasping at straws if you're using children as scapegoats to create an issue, based on your impressions from your child hood.

All this talk about retribution, extreme punishment and happy pills is so wrong. People internalise their problems and re-live them throughout life and there's very little truth to their assumptions as it's already been internalised. You would do better to get over your past (there's a great thread here about looking back into your past and altering your paradigms) and stop reliving and especially stop advocating your own brand of bullying by living vicariously through children.

Originally posted by Darkphoenix77
reply to post by Trublbrwing

 

I think something to keep in mind is that your experience is not the same as everyone's experiences. A one time fight....yes those happen, and if that was all that this was then it is more easily chalked up to kids being kids. But it has become known that in this case that it was a daily occurance over the course of 3 years. This was not a one time thing, the kid was picked on harrassed and beat up almost daily for 3 years because of this group of kids, and that sir is not something that should be chalked up to a kids bein' kids kinda response. There is enough stress in schools without being bullied added to the mix. Schools across the world need to ensure that the learning environment that our future attends is safe with a equal opportunity for all to make something of themselves other than being a thug or a punching bag.

You're not seeing the beauty in that moment. The big kid (the victim) walked away without fear for the first time in three years. He went home and felt good about himself for the first time in three years. If he had done this sooner it would have stopped a LONG time ago.
BOTH kids are better off because of what happened there, the bully will now think twice and the victim won't. The only bad part of the entire episode is the fact that it was put on the internet.

Originally posted by bowtomonkey
I'm talking about a show called "today Tonight" that will use popular sentiment to destroy the hopes and dreams of the bully.

and those 'hopes and dreams" were to post a youtube video showing the little rat beating up a bigger kid with the help of the rats mates....

this will be a nasty blip he won't live down.

just as he deserves

but let him make his OWN mistakes in his future UNFETTERED...

he has already made a mistake and the bully wanted it filmed. Well, it was and now the world can see what a little rat the bully actually is!