Communicating with a 'Shadow Person'.

reply to post by Mertez


Hey Mertez, found your thread as Ben & Aaron just discussed it on Mysterious Universe - I figured I would jump on with a different experience I had once to see if anyone has thoughts or related cases.

Years ago, probably when I was 22 (so 9 years), I was lying down on a couch in my basement in the early afternoon. Dark, cozy, and quiet.

Not sure how long I had been resting there, but out of nowhere my hands and face got very hot and started to tingle, and a pressure & rumble built up in my ears/head. In the rumbling, there was also what I can only describe as a chant or invocation of some sort, in a language I've never heard before (my thought is that it wasn't a human language).

This went on probably only for about 30 seconds or so, after which I of course continued to lay there silently with my eyes closed to avoid possibly stirring back up whatever just reached out to me. Finally cracked one eye open to look around, and decided was time to get up and find something else to do. Very disturbing.

Anyone have any input on this? I don't remember an outright injection of fear or malevolence, just what I take as a very scary communication or visitation of some sort. I am a christian but this didn't have any clear spiritual overtones one way or the other.

Opinions, etc., would be appreciated.

reply to post by Praetorius


The vibration and tingling (along with temperature with some people, it's warm or cold) is actually a sensation people get when on the verge of astral projection, and awakening kundalini and chi energy. In case you didn't notice, you can shift this feeling to different areas of your body if you try to. People get this when in deep meditative states, and sometimes awaken it during sleep paralysis by accident. And many people get this feeling around 'shadow beings'. This spirit may be invoking this in you in order to try to communicate, or you may be doing it to yourself, and this being could sense what you were doing and tried to get your attention.
I get it all the time when trying to sleep. You can research this if you want to learn more. It is actually spiritual, but the spirit who is there (good or bad) is not necessarily something coming from God, so be careful.

One of the times I experienced it, I heard whispers saying the same thing over and over again, and I tried to hear what they were saying, but I couldn't recognize a word...I couldn't even tell if it was male of female. I still have no idea what it was, and no I didn't feel fear then either...but a little frustrated, since I didn't know who it was or what they were saying.

If you ever get this sensation again, and you feel that there is something/someone there, open your eyes, and ask them to move into your area of vision (if you physically move, the feeling will go away). If it appears as a shadowy figure, move the vibration and tingling to the middle of your forehead if you can.

If you want to ignore the spirit, you can, but you'll feel that they're still there waiting.

This might seem strange to you, but if you want to turn this into something positive, next time you get this feeling, try to sweep it and concentrate it to the very top of your head, with the intention of reaching God and the Holy spirit. I've done this many times, and for a moment I can see a very bright white light. It's very overwhelming and blissful.

reply to post by Khurzon


Hey there,

Do you practice astral projection, and if so, do you have good contact with your spirit guides? If so, ask them about this, and I'd like to know if the answer was similar to an answer I received last night about this stuff.

Also I have noticed that when I've tried to move out of body (or use my third eye) in the presence of these, they instantly change appearance into what they really look like, while other times while wondering in the astral, I've seen similar looking things that remain black and shadowy. This is confusing the heck out of me.

Originally posted by Mertez
reply to post by Khurzon

 

Do you practice astral projection,

Although, I meditate and have attempted, in the past, to project outside myself, I don't consciously accept as fact that this is what is actually happening. You see, I have a very vivid imagination, and so, I cannot truly discern what, (beneath my closed lids), is external, and what is being generated by my imagination...
Under my eyelids I can conjure entire worlds that have never exsited before...I would not want to be mistaking them for something that already "truly" exists.
I practice extending my "feel" for the world around me, and am able to feel as tho I am expanding into the universe...becomming larger than mere worlds, but...again...is it truth or imagination?
I do not doubt OOBE experiences...not in the least.
I have had one when I was young, but am not able to recreate that experience at will...

My "Hypothesis" is based on personal observations, pattern recognition and intuitive applications to the situation.
I have personally seen a shadow being, in my room. I was not sleeping, and this thing was not vague or undefined in the least....The best description of the event can be found in my reply to another post similar to this one...Here
It was there...solid. Undeniable...
My shadow person, and other paranormal experiences, have made me a firm believer in OOBE, I just cannot vouch for any ability to control it.
The description of types of consciousness is an attempt, by me, to put verbal "handles" on what I perceive to be the relevant situation. We are all aware of natural consciousness, many are aware of the supernatural consciousness' out there, and millions worship various supernal minds.
I am mainly putting forth a speculation upon the "How" and "Where" of it all, with my hypothesis that it involves
the use of stellar and planetary fields; possibly a zero point, or other type of exotic form of natural energy and space time?

do you have good contact with your spirit guides?

Unfortunatley, no...
My contacts come via synchronicity, intuition, and inspired thought...
I have instances where I feel almost sure that what I am seeing/experiencing in my minds eye is real, but....like dreams, I cannot discern if they are "truth" or imagination...

Also I have noticed that when I've tried to move out of body (or use my third eye) in the presence of these, they instantly change appearance into what they really look like, while other times while wondering in the astral, I've seen similar looking things that remain black and shadowy. This is confusing the heck out of me.

You are much more sensitive than me, my friend.
The thing I saw was in our very real world, and never showed any facial features...eyes or the like. The only things I noted were the slight flickering of the edges, like light on oil, and the disturbances that resembled waves, coming off the head.

Sorry but I think you invited the Shadow Person in. In my studies I have fund that a Shadow Person(an inter dimensional being) is different than a spirit(soul of a human that has passed on). Chances are you don't want to contact or be on good terms with this being! Same for as some would say with a "demon". It's just not safe. They will manipulate you and cause hard esp. if you know too much(about them).

I'm sorry guys but I just have to post this. This will be my last post, because frankly there's no way to really know for sure what these things might be, though I'm leaning toward them just being regular ghosts, and through a certain perception we can see their shadows in 3-dimensional form because they exist in the next dimension...from recent experience, this seems waaaay more likely than my previous theory of them being branded as negative.

If any of you still recall me talking about (in an earlier post) a shadow floating over me while I sleep, making me feel so frightened that I couldn't help but scream? Then the being screaming back then flying "into" me?

This might be a coincidence (or maybe even a trick) but I just had a very funny dream...I never laugh at dreams, but I'm chuckling as I type this.

*Toward the end of my dream, I was laying in my bed (this might even just be sleep paralysis, cuz I couldn't move, but I'll just consider this a dream). As I was laying in bed I looked up and saw a face formed in my ceiling above me...sorta looked like one of those "Drama masks", but more detailed. It seemed to be staring out the window that was next to my bed, and it's eyes wondered down to look at me because it knew I was staring at it...then it's eyes looked back out the window. I asked "Do I know you?", and it said "Yeah I'm your brother's spirit guide!"...I then asked "Have we met before?" and he looked down at me in a very creepy way, and I felt the need to scream...so I screamed and he yelled back almost like he was as frightened as I was, and the face flew into me and my fear instantly disappeared, as if it took it away.

Pretty strange...but very interesting...and seems closely related to what happened before.

Anyways, this has been a cool thread and I appreciate all the replies and comments

Peace out

reply to post by Mertez


I know you said that will be your last post, but I can't see how you think they are just ghosts from the story you just told. That doesn't sound at all like a ghost. I think you have gotten so deep into this whole thing you have lost your perspective.

Originally posted by devilishlyangelic23
i've never really understood whats so negative or scary about shadow figures. i've been encountering them since the 8th grade (im now 25) and i've never had anything even remotely close to a negative feeling from them. i've been afraid due to waking up with a shadow next to my bed, because i was startled, but they never have shown me any reason to be scared. they feel more protective than anything else. i've seen the hooded one twice, i've seen the "top hat man" once, and then just a couple months ago i saw a human figure shadow with big wings. they all have the same characteristics, blacker than black..they seem to suck in the darkness around them to create some sort of shape...and they take off once you've noticed them. the nights when i see these things, i have not been asleep and then woken up, i have not been meditating, or doing any drugs for that matter! lol. so i dont know how or why they manifested. there was absolutely no fear with the winged shadow though. i wasnt even startled by it...the winged one was different than the other 2...it didnt seem to mind that i was looking directly at it.

I've had three experiences with shadow people. I saw them all head-on, not from the corner of my field of vision, and none of them frightened me. I too, want to know what they are. But I'm not going to pretend to know their intent. That's impossible.

Something important to consider in this discussion is the capacity of the rods of the eye which perceive light, and the cones of the eye, which translate color. We've all seen the pretty rainbows which represent light waves as they're perceived by the human eye. There are wavelengths which fall outside our spectrum, and we know this because we can measure those wavelengths. Do you know what color our eyes perceive when outside our spectrum? Black. It's like an out-of-spectrum catch-all color.

Release yourself from your indoctrinated expectation that black equals evil and unknown equals indomitable. Don't believe in the hype. Believe in yourself. Otherwise, expectation will dictate your experiences and perceptions.

Don't believe me? Just try this: imagine this entire discussion about an unknown entity that looks like Rainbow Brite. Got that? Now, go back and read the commentary on our new spectral visitor. Comical?

Whoooohoooo, scary colorful little toy!

Please understand, I'm not mocking anyone who feels fear when in the presence of these entities. I've felt unexplainable fear before. What I'm saying is don't expect it. Don't have an experience, see it objectively, and then DECIDE, based on another's analysis, that these are dangerous and feel afraid in the next confrontation. Unless they provide links to the research, or video of an as-yet-undebunkable shadow man abduction. Then, run like all get out.

I highly recommend "Darkness Walks" by Jason Offutt.

Long story short I had a "hat man" shadow person experience when I was 12 years old. I remember it watching me from the doorway and the over powering fear associated with seeing something you can't explain in the middle of the night.

A year or two ago I heard Mr. Offutt on a podcast discussing his book. I was blown away that the "hat man" was a common type of shadow person seen by many people. But there are various types. Some walk across the room and don't seem to recognize that they're being observed. Some are a down right evil.

Check out this website too for additional research.

shadowpeople.org...

reply to post by 10001110101


Yeah, they are scary, and you shouldn't put a lot of stock in what a lot of people on here will tell you about good and bad spirits. If something shows up in the middle of the night and scares you it's bad. That's the nature of it. Good spirits don't do that. It's plain and simple, though a lot of people on here are playing with these things, they are demons and will hurt you very badly if you give them the opportunity. I speak from experience.

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yea me and my bro and sister and cousin all use to see the same shadow person it had red eyes with like a magician hat but as long as you fo not fear it it cant do # to you i havent seen it in years because i dont fear it

and i have heard some stories were it wasnt realy a bad thing to people but the n agian it could be trying to trick you
but he doesnt have to stop meditating

shadow people or figures are very common and to see one without just glimpsing but instead having a convo is pretty interesting, another thing such as keeping aware of them is that eventually when you notice them others in the house or area might be able to, and i dont think it was negative since they responded kindly with the sage, find other things like patchocouli or so forth and find what they like, fear wont be a natural feeling but a forced if done so

I may be a bit late on this one, but felt like I should add what ended up working to end my experiences. I had been meditating and experimenting with self hypnosis when I suddenly felt like I was being attacked. A dark figure would loom in my bedroom doorway when I tried to sleep, anytime I was home I would see the shadows streak past in my peripheral, and I was having absolutely horrid and vivid nightmares. I ended up posting on here and finally working with some of the advice I received in reply as well as what my Grandmother suggested, I was able to stop the encounters after about a week. Now when I meditate or self hypnotize I will visualize myself in a transparent egg of white light. I will also visualize arrows or some other projectile flying at my egg but crumbling on impact because I am so securely protected. I tell myself that I am safe and surrounded by love and protection, that nothing may reach me unless I give it permission and even then, I may not be approached with anything but love and good will. Any evil or malice cannot get to me no matter how cleverly disguised. I have not had an attack since. My methods can be improved upon however, since I will sometimes (though rarely) have short periods of time where I feel moderately uneasy. During those times I stop meditation and hypnosis and will only go through my white light exercises daily until the feeling goes away. Hope this helps even if late

Originally posted by Mertez
Hello! I know there are A LOT of threads about this phenomena already, but I feel I'm on to something, and I'm closer to understanding. I'm still very confused by what these are, as everyone has different theories.

I've researched online, and no one has a solid explanation. Just want to say that I am perfectly sane, and only come into contact with it while I attempt to meditate. Experiences with these beings are very common and defined, so no "Maybe you should see a psychiatrist" comments, if you don't mind!

The reason I am wondering is that there seems to be one interfering with my meditation, but almost speeds up time it takes to get "vibes" (within 20 minutes) while thinking about this being, but the vibrations/waves seem to coming from him/her (not my own energy). I have tried to speak to it, but it doesn't seem to want to communicate verbally, but it definitely understands what I'm saying. When trying to communicate with it - which I really feel is a bad idea, but I can't seem to get rid of it - I feel waves of different temperatures and moods coming from it. But whenever I try to open my eyes to stare at it, it tries to move just out of site so I can barely see it, but I can sort of see a wispy black mass and sometimes it's very very dense and black, and other times somewhat translucent. I have asked to stare at it face to face ...I'm never doing that again (despite being skittish and shy, it seemed more than willing to do this).

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I'd like to hear everyones experiences with these things.

You seem as if you are not in control of your emotions particularly regarding fear (since you said it injected you with fear and negative emotions) and perhaps over curiosity which is why this "whisp" is appearing. You have to look within your own mind, be aware of your emotions and know that you can go beyond that point in your meditation. Remember, knowing is a feeling, not a thought. Perhaps you just have to learn emotional self control during meditation and this will subside.

reply to post by Mertez


I had direct contact with a shadow being with red eyes for years, until I told it to go away... this is my story
www.abovetopsecret.com...

in your opinion.. How would you proceed if the "flour trick" yielded results? Have not seen anything other than orbs, which are in abundance in my home...?

reply to post by Mertez


I have had run ins with these creatures before. they are demons i researched them and found out that they are demons and they love to mess with people but if you get one attached to your life then they will cause serious harm. I wass attacked by them and they gave me wounds and after he got bored of just attacking me and started on my brother so i had to trap him in an imbetween and ive been bothered by these things since. You want my advice ive done the research they are demons and they will never bring good things you should probably leave them alone

I have a wild idea, Maybe the "Shadow People" are simply people just like us from another parallel universe, and the reason they look "dark" is because our realm is not compatable with theirs?

(First time poster)

reply to post by Mertez


I have had many expierences with these shadows. This morning I woke up with my husband around 6:00 to see him off to work and when he left I decided to go back to sleep. I had a very lucid dream where I realized I was dreaming and I decided to fly. People were saying look she can fly. I discovered how to become concious in a dream last year. When I woke up I was laying on my back with my eyes closed because I was still deciding if I wanted to go back to sleep. I had to use the bathroom so I opened my eyes and I saw a large lump of a shadow on the ceiling. Immediately it raced towards me and I closed my eyes. I started to feel intense fear and wanted to scream. It got in my face and said in a pitiful mans voice Whispering help me please and sounded extremely scared. Then it growled at me. It wasn't a growl that any human could make. It sounded like a large animal. I was so scared I said Jesus. immediatly the fear went away and I opened my eyes. they used to be able to get inside me but they haven't been able to since I discovered that they don't like it when I say Jesus. if they get inside you they can control your mind and make you say and do things you wouldn't normally do. If that isn't posession, I don't know what is. there is a war going on for our minds. I have expierenced it first hand. If you try to communicate with them they will try to take over your life. They can make you go crazy. I know there are many on ATS that don't believe in Jesus. For me, his name has been the only thing keeping these things away. It's interesting to me though that this happened to me today, "rapture" day. It doesn't matter to me when the rapture is. I'm ready anytime. Now as for the difference between these shadows, ghosts and demons, I'm still not sure. I'm not really interested in communicating with any of them, although they always seem to want to communicate with me.

a 9 day meth binge had me seein them and funny thing is even on acid i knew reality and the drugs efffects were cause and effect....but speed..you know they are real and you get religious idealogy and conspiracy in spades..a door opens and you have to say ok sleeep now and stop tweekin......fun yeah but they say meth is the sorcery drug