Let's Create the Ultimate 2012 Survival List!

On the 2012 threads, there seems to be a lot of talk about whether or not 2012 is going to happen, which is good for the sake of helping the indecisive decide whether or not they believe. But, many of us already know where we stand and the more pressing concern is what to do about it.


All over the internet, there are diverse survival lists that usually only take one or two scenarios into account. I have my own lists, but I can't shake the feeling that I have left out something critically important. I'm only going to post a sampler of my list, and I will warn you right now that its very incomplete. I don't feel like typing the full one out, because I don't even have a full one... There are incomplete and outdated lists scattered all over my office, and all of them have something that the others don't have. The situation is too hopeless right now for me to think about consolidating them, so instead, I have decided to let all you random people on ATS do the work for me.


Why don't we create the ultimate 2012 survival list that provides a solution to every possible SHTF scenario??? All your contributions, even if you only have 1 or 2 ideas, will help me and everyone else who is looking to gather preparations. I envisioned this list being a thorough one without any particular budget. That way, people who can't afford all of it can look through and cross out what they think they can do without, but everything that might be needed is there. My budget is between $10,000 and $15,000 (for myself...everyone who is with me will have to come up with their own basic resources, though we will be sharing my advanced technology and communication systems), so I'll be crossing stuff out too. If you want to post links to the best places to get these supplies, that would also be appreciated.


By the way, for those of you who are wondering what happened to my last thread....apparently there's a rule against recruiting on ATS. If you are still interested, you will have to find us by yourself. Going on a solitary quest through cyberspace with only lowly search engines like google by your side will be a test of your ingenuity and persistance. Lol, Just kidding. It shoud be easy, if you remember anything.


Here's the sampler of my list. Some people plan to survive in their own homes and some build bunkers, but I have chosen to create a 2012-fortified hydrogen powered RV as my primary source of shelter, because vehicles are mobile and versatile. There are 9 categories into which the supplies fit.

CATEGORIES:

1. Built into RV: These are features that are hardwired into the vehicle.
~Windows only in the front
~Water powered engine (runs off hydrogen produced through hydrolysis) with the option of running on gasoline
~Solar panels on top
~Removable wind mills on top
~Bicycle-style manual power generator (if all else fails)
~Heating/cooling system
~Layer of inexpensive nuclear-proof and bulletproof insulation (led?)
~Large, durable off-road tires
~Water filters and water tanks
~Vacuum hose on the outside (sucks water from the outside, through filters, and into tanks)
~Nuclear Biological Chemical filter
~All doors, windows, and cracks sealed enough to keep water and unfiltered air out.
~Flotation devices (to keep it afloat in a flood)

2. Survival: Basic things for health, hygene, and survival
~MINIMUM 1 year's food supply for each person (It should be food that doesn't have to be cooked, because cooking is a nuisance. Like flour, dried fruit, vegetable poweder, meal replacements, energy bars...)
1 month fresh water supply (filters should take care of most water needs)
~First aid kits
~Medical tools and alll kinds of medicine
~Portable water filters
~Clothing for all seasons and situations
~Vitamins
~Matches, flint, candles and firewood
~Sleeping bags
~Extra blankets
~Cleaning supplies
~Bacteria killing UV light
~Flashlights
~Soap and hygene products
~Backpacks and other containers
~Bugspray
~Survival books and medical guides
~Non-hybrid seeds (In case you ever need to start agriculture up again)
~Fuel

3. Transportation: Those not planning on sitting around in one isolated location should be prepared to travel over any kind of terrain.
~Bikes
~Climbing gear
~Snow gear
~Tents
~Portable 72-hour emergency kits
~Wilderness gear
~GPS
~Compasses
~Maps

4. Defense: This one does not need to be explained...
~Weapons
~Pepper spray
~Bulletproof clothing


5. Disaster mitigation: Things you need to survive specific disasters
~Biohazard suits
~NBC suits (Nuclear Biological Chemical)
~Safe (to keep documents dry and out of reach)
~Airmasks and latex gloves
~Fireproofing spray
~Firesuits and fire blankets
~Personal flotation devices
~Wetsuits
~Bulletproof clothing
~Helmets
~Sodium Iodide tablets
~Means to make the engine run without electricity (in case of EMP or Magnetic Field Reversal)
~Tool kit (to fix things if any parts get broken)


6. Communication: Things you need to communicate over long distances or deal with chaotic groups of people
~Flares
~Whistles and other sound signalers
~Radio broadcasting machine (if all the radio stations are out, you could use the airwaves to communicate with the public)
~Walkee Talkees
~Wireless in-ear transmitters (so you can hear each other over distances when no one else can)
~Megaphones (to address crowds of screaming panicking people)
~Spraypaint (Might need to leave people messages)
~Disguises (all different kinds...)


7. Intelligence gathering: Spy tools and scientific instruments!
~Infrared goggles
~Night vision goggles
~Telescope
~Barometer
~Geiger Counter
~Windspeed and direction measurement tools
~Sound amplifiers (You put them in your ear to be able to hear whispers 100 feet away)
~Binoculars
~Descreet spycams and recording devices
~Wireless security cameras (can place them in different locations and they send a signal to your computer so you can watch what's going on)
~Radio (More like those super-radios they have on X-files that can tap into the conversation of anyone who's using the airwaves)
~A computer network connected to all these devices
~Radar system


8. Historical preservation: Stuff to record what's going on so that it is preserved in history forever--its not absolutely necessary for survival, but still...
~Notebooks
~Printer
~Typewriter (in case electricity goes out)
~Spare pens, pencils, paper, and ink
~Video cameras and tripods
~Recording devices
~Copies of important books (so that they are preserved even after this civilization collapses)
~Quality cameras


9. Trade: Its good to have things that other people want, in case you need to trade.
~Trinkets (In times of disaster, these become the rarest and therefore most valuable items to trade with. Spice and silk dominated the world economy in the past... If you have fancy stuff, don't leave it behind.)
~Candy (Same goes. No one else will bother to preserve this stuff...)
~Gold and precious metals (If you have money left after you max out on preparations, don't save it, because the government will collapse and and green bits of paper will mean nothing. Spend it on gold, which never loses its value.)
~Tea (Tea is my personal favorite thing to trade because its light-weight, it keeps well, and its addictive. It used to be a major international trade item.)
~Extra food

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In all seriousness though wouldn't it really depend on what was happening in your specific area with regards to "disaster"?

If a local disaster were to strike such as what has just sadly happened in Japan, do you really think that having a survival kit to the extent suggested is going to make the blindest bit of difference? I seriously doubt many Japanese would have been thinking, "oh crap, better get my kit together".

Perhaps a well prepared "bug out" bag is the best that many could hope to achieve.

I don't mean to flame the op or say that the list is a load of # (there are many reasonable suggestions), this is just my opinion on the matter.

Isn't it supposed to be the end of the World, entirely?

How do you survive that?

Originally posted by Project-Sign
Isn't it supposed to be the end of the World, entirely?

How do you survive that?

We need people to wake up and pave the way, not hide in some hole.
Everything is crumbling arround us, it`s up to us to make the change our fathers and mothers, grandparents have been working on so long.

Have a leap of faith and throw of the shackles for this is the only way we can evolve spiritually and physically.

Freedom for all...

NASA Emergency Blankets are a good one too add. There compact and very useful when you need em!

Originally posted by Ohboyohboy
In all seriousness though wouldn't it really depend on what was happening in your specific area with regards to "disaster"?

If a local disaster were to strike such as what has just sadly happened in Japan, do you really think that having a survival kit to the extent suggested is going to make the blindest bit of difference? I seriously doubt many Japanese would have been thinking, "oh crap, better get my kit together".

Perhaps a well prepared "bug out" bag is the best that many could hope to achieve.

I won't be bugging out. I'll be out to my secure location long before it happens, and would encourage others to do the same. Stay away from the coasts, especially California, not only because of earthquakes and rising water levels, but because those are the most likely places to get nuked. Make sure the area you choose is not near a faultline, has a water source that originates from an area that is unlikely to be contaminated, and is far enough away from major cities so that if they get bombed, it won't affect you.

All my supplies will be inside my secure vehicle. It would probably have survived the Japan tsunami and even if the vehicle crashed into something and was no longer in working condition, the supplies would still be there, all the food and electronics in secure containers so they wouldn't get wet. The trick is to plan for every concievable disaster that could possibly happen; Nuclear, chemical, food/water shortage, floods, volcanoes, earthquakes, magnetic field reversal, EMP... Have everything ready before the disaster, and be inside your compound, vehicle, or basement on December 21st 2012.

Originally posted by Project-Sign
Isn't it supposed to be the end of the World, entirely?

How do you survive that?

Some people think that, but I do not. The world is not ready to end. Its ready to restart... I think it will just be a worldwide disaster where World War III coincides with solar issues that cause increased seismic activity and some geomagnetic field disruptions. Probably 90% of the population won't make it, so that's pretty much the end of the world.

Originally posted by Senser
We need people to wake up and pave the way, not hide in some hole.
Everything is crumbling arround us, it`s up to us to make the change our fathers and mothers, grandparents have been working on so long.

Have a leap of faith and throw of the shackles for this is the only way we can evolve spiritually and physically.

Freedom for all...

Actually, my plan is not to 'hide in some hole.' I just want to be prepared for any disaster so that when it happens, my group and I can take advantage of the chaos and ensure that freedom prevails. The US will most likely be conquered by something. Like the NWO, Russia, China, Iran, or maybe even extra-terrestrials. I've never seen a UFO, but who knows... Whatever it is, we will resist it. The location we have chosen is like a base. We won't be sitting around in it doing nothing, but it will be our headquarters. People who plan to sit there in their basements drinking beer or hugging their children or whatever annoy me too. I don't care about survival for the sake of survival. I care about survival for the sake of changing the world. And you can't do that in 2012 without resources and without anticipating everything.

Originally posted by youthsavior
NASA Emergency Blankets are a good one too add. There compact and very useful when you need em!

Thanks for the advice! I never thought of that before. The best place to get high end supplies is from government agencies, like NASA and the military. As corrupt as they may be, they make good stuff.

Custom rv like that filling it with lead would make it impossible to drive.

if i HAD to have an emergency vehicle it would be a second hand armoured vehicle. or just a plain old big jeep.

Supplies: That idodine everyone is talking about.
Gun
cans of beans
water

and most importantly crowbar.....

reply to post by MR BOB


Armoured vehicles would be way too obvious. The enemy would notice you and instantly be suspicious.

Also, you only need one inch of led to block all radiation. And why beans, of all things?

If everyone died off around you whats the point of living?

And really, if the world ends, well it ends... you wouldn't survive.

reply to post by downunder666


I don't think its ending. I think its just going to go insane and fall apart. I'm sure at least 5% of the population will still be there. And I want to help rebuild society....this time with more liberty. If the NWO takes over in 2012, I will resist it. I don't know what's going to happen. The best thing is to be prepared for anything, and if the human race dies off, then the prepared will die too, but if not, then they have the greatest chance of living.

Originally posted by InsaneInsurgent11
reply to post by downunder666

 

I don't think its ending. I think its just going to go insane and fall apart. I'm sure at least 5% of the population will still be there. And I want to help rebuild society....this time with more liberty. If the NWO takes over in 2012, I will resist it. I don't know what's going to happen. The best thing is to be prepared for anything, and if the human race dies off, then the prepared will die too, but if not, then they have the greatest chance of living.

I believe now that you are not debunking like I said on the 16th of Feb. Refrain from the militant stances and don't give out too much info about yourself. Talk to me later if you'd like. Ciao.

reply to post by InsaneInsurgent11


putting one inch of lead on an rv WILL make it too heavy.plus the upgraded brakes, suspension etc. you cant make armoured vehicles yourself like this.and it wont make it radiation proof, and probably not very bullet proof as it is lead, one of the softest metals you can buy.

buying a second hand armoured bmw would be cheaper, than buying that much lead and sticking it on,.

Originally posted by RamoneV
I believe now that you are not debunking like I said on the 16th of Feb. Refrain from the militant stances and don't give out too much info about yourself. Talk to me later if you'd like. Ciao.

The 16th of February? On my other thread? That's a pretty specific date. Sounds like you either have a photographic memory or a really thorough archive. I talked to the staff to try to get an archival copy of my thread after it got deleted, but it turns out the system overwrites deleted threads to make room for more, so it was completely obliterated... I don't remember exactly what you said.

Are you the one who called us reactionary? If so, I replied to you, but you might not have seen it in time. Also, it says you just joined ATS today. Two accounts? Wait a minute...I hadn't even joined ATS on the 16th of Feb... Are you from GLP?

Originally posted by MR BOB
reply to post by InsaneInsurgent11

 

putting one inch of lead on an rv WILL make it too heavy.plus the upgraded brakes, suspension etc. you cant make armoured vehicles yourself like this.and it wont make it radiation proof, and probably not very bullet proof as it is lead, one of the softest metals you can buy.

buying a second hand armoured bmw would be cheaper, than buying that much lead and sticking it on,.

You may be right... I'm researching them right now, and not all of them look like something out of Afghanistan.
You still haven't convinced me on the cans of beans though.

what if nothing happens and you are left with a $150 000 wasted money on RV, bullet proof radio comunications etc etc etc etc etc etc, i would rather a $1000 bug out bag, some handbooks on medical and survival. then its live off the land, find food, water and see how long u can last , peace !

Originally posted by 1beerplease
what if nothing happens and you are left with a $150 000 wasted money on RV, bullet proof radio comunications etc etc etc etc etc etc, i would rather a $1000 bug out bag, some handbooks on medical and survival. then its live off the land, find food, water and see how long u can last , peace !

See how long I can last? Leave it all to chance and throw my life away needlessly when I could be of worth to the cause of liberty or hang out in the forest and be alive but in no position to do anything? No way!!! That's just not my style... Also, whether 2012 is going to happen or not, who wouldn't want a bulletproof rv, a perfect communications system, and 2 years food supply? You'd never have to buy a house and pay water and electricity bills and stuff like that again. it's lifelong freedom. I would do it anyway. 2012 just makes me hurry.

The beans thing i said because they are a good scource of carbs, last up to three or more years in the can, and tasty. really it doesnt matter whole lot if you like beans peas, potatos, etc. as long as they are not full of rubbish .plus you can fit a crap load into an rv.

also individual dried soups, and dried meal packets, with long expiry dates. are great.

Originally posted by InsaneInsurgent11

Originally posted by 1beerplease
what if nothing happens and you are left with a $150 000 wasted money on RV, bullet proof radio comunications etc etc etc etc etc etc, i would rather a $1000 bug out bag, some handbooks on medical and survival. then its live off the land, find food, water and see how long u can last , peace !

See how long I can last? Leave it all to chance and throw my life away needlessly when I could be of worth to the cause of liberty or hang out in the forest and be alive but in no position to do anything? No way!!! That's just not my style... Also, whether 2012 is going to happen or not, who wouldn't want a bulletproof rv, a perfect communications system, and 2 years food supply? You'd never have to buy a house and pay water and electricity bills and stuff like that again. it's lifelong freedom. I would do it anyway. 2012 just makes me hurry.

well each to there own. but personally, thats not my style. only cos' i no how to live off the land, build shelter, fire,hunt, find water..... peace!

Originally posted by InsaneInsurgent11

Originally posted by RamoneV
I believe now that you are not debunking like I said on the 16th of Feb. Refrain from the militant stances and don't give out too much info about yourself. Talk to me later if you'd like. Ciao.

The 16th of February? On my other thread? That's a pretty specific date. Sounds like you either have a photographic memory or a really thorough archive. I talked to the staff to try to get an archival copy of my thread after it got deleted, but it turns out the system overwrites deleted threads to make room for more, so it was completely obliterated... I don't remember exactly what you said.

Are you the one who called us reactionary? If so, I replied to you, but you might not have seen it in time. Also, it says you just joined ATS today. Two accounts? Wait a minute...I hadn't even joined ATS on the 16th of Feb... Are you from GLP?

edit on 16-3-2011 by InsaneInsurgent11 because: spelling mistake

Yeh, I was giving you some advice about telling plans.