My Military UFO Experience.

Originally posted by BuddyMclean
reply to post by incontenant

 

Im against our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan because I dont believe we ever we really had a reason to go there in the first place. I believe it is all about money, and have lost a lot of good friends fighting for something in which our country as a whole will not benefit from.

I feel for you buddy I say the same exact thing. Same for me. There is too much money being made, too much money literally disappearing, and let me tell you it is not going into the publics pocket. Whenever there is something nefarious going on you just have to follow the money. There is an old adage about finding the criminals...who benefits the most is going to be a prime suspect.

reply to post by Rising Against

Hi this is my first post , A few years ago my old boss died ,if he said something it was true and in the fifteen year I knew him we spoke about many things .After a story about UFOs here in England we started talking and he told me about when he and his wife were driving in the Lake District a few years before and witnessed a "Metallic Ball" break the surface of a lake ,he said it hovered just above the water and then just disappeared straight up .He and his wife decided to keep quiet about it and I was the first person that he had told .

Thanks for responding, interesting isn't it that they would do that.

I think Iraq took place because there was something there we wanted. As stupid as this sounds I remember seeing a picture of a crop circle then later some building that was under water in Iraq????? was found and the "hall" inside was/looked just like the crop circle.

I didn't keep all that info because no one seemed to care but I thought it was of interest. Connections it all comes down to trying to make connections

reply to post by Spirit Warrior 11:11


It was all going so well, you had the credibility, the miltary experience and working in R&D (I too worked in Aerospace R&D for 5 years until recently for one of the largest defence contractors and never saw anything other that Aerodynamics, Stealth, Autonomous and Jet propulsion with a project on anti gravity once but that soon fizzled out) but then you get to the psycology and it crumbles for me, you take what sounds like a really good story of Area 51 and your sighting then add some psycological stuff add a gorilla in a gym and you lost me, it was like a good story with a bad ending, what was film [insert many film titles], thats the one.

Perhaps the difference between a man in a gorilla suit walking through a gym is:

a. Half the steroid junkies resemble gorrillas
b. if your concentrating and in the zone, pumping iron and sweating your pants off watching mtv you might not notice anything else
c. If you saw a video of the gorilla walking through the gym and saw yourself there not noticing it, you would more than likely be remembering the video and not the gorilla gram.

I do like the first story though, so in relation to where you saw the lights from where you were, was it coming from the hills around Area 51? I dont know the geography, were you working at a secret or public location that you can reveal?

Awesome account. I too have seen some UFOs over Air Force Bases. I am currently in AF Active Duty.

reply to post by BuddyMclean


Good post, mate.

One of the few I actually believe and have interest in. You seem like an intelligent, experienced, level headed and down to Earth feller and I trust what you said.

It's a shame all we have now is conjecture but it does nudge up my rather lacking of late belief.

Thanks for sharing!

BuddyMclean, as I have posted in past threads! Don't be discouraged about other people's comment around here, you will find that there are tons of people trying to discredit legible information, for what purpose? I don't know!

Feel free to continue answering questions of those interested in your story, and as a side note: Don't answer to those individuals who want to ridicule you in here, if you don't like their comments or feel threaten about your personal belief, simply don't answer them. There's no need to ignore them because even fools need to be given a chance to redeem themselves!

Thank you for sharing your story and be safe!

Peace and Love!

P.S. I have been to DMZ in the past and know what you are talking about!

Originally posted by MisterBurns
reply to post by Spirit Warrior 11:11

 

It was all going so well, you had the credibility, the miltary experience and working in R&D (I too worked in Aerospace R&D for 5 years until recently for one of the largest defence contractors and never saw anything other that Aerodynamics, Stealth, Autonomous and Jet propulsion with a project on anti gravity once but that soon fizzled out) but then you get to the psycology and it crumbles for me, you take what sounds like a really good story of Area 51 and your sighting then add some psycological stuff add a gorilla in a gym and you lost me, it was like a good story with a bad ending, what was film [insert many film titles], thats the one.

Perhaps the difference between a man in a gorilla suit walking through a gym is:

a. Half the steroid junkies resemble gorrillas
b. if your concentrating and in the zone, pumping iron and sweating your pants off watching mtv you might not notice anything else
c. If you saw a video of the gorilla walking through the gym and saw yourself there not noticing it, you would more than likely be remembering the video and not the gorilla gram.

I do like the first story though, so in relation to where you saw the lights from where you were, was it coming from the hills around Area 51? I dont know the geography, were you working at a secret or public location that you can reveal?

Ha. Funny. I can see the possible confusion. However this is a serious study I was referring to (it is well worth looking up trust me):

Scientists have gathered some remarkable evidence which shows that it is possible to see something without observing it, in research that sheds new light on traffic accidents that occur when a driver "looked but failed to see", and other examples of mayhem and mishap in everyday life. The astonishing lack of attention we pay to our surroundings has been highlighted by research conducted by Dr Daniel Simons of the University of Illinois and Dr Daniel Levin of Vanderbilt University

Working with Christopher Chabris at Harvard University, Simons came up with another demonstration that has now become a classic, based on a videotape of a handful of people playing basketball. They played the tape to subjects and asked them to count the passes made by one of the teams. Around half failed to spot a woman dressed in a gorilla suit who walked slowly across the scene for nine seconds, even though this hairy interloper had passed between the players and stopped to face the camera and thump her chest. However, if people were simply asked to view the tape, they noticed the gorilla easily. The effect is so striking that some of them refused to accept they were looking at the same tape and thought that it was a different version of the video, one edited to include the ape.

So to answer your humorous post...as I am still in the industry I cannot disclose more on the location but it should not be hard to Google map satellite it. There are actually mountain ranges all over that area not simply hills. There are those as well but I am referring to the top of a mountain. I should have known at the time that a mountain peak is a weird place to train (too dangerous and not enough room to really do anything). But that is what you get when you see something and assume a certain scenario due to your surroundings. Any further comment?

Interesting you work in the field as well. I have not seen anyone working on antigrav personally but I doubt I would have. Those experiments will likely still be in a lab like JPL...actually I wouldn't be surprised at this point if there actually was a lab there for that.

I understand that, when I drive there can be moments where you realise you have travelled some distance but can remember it or at some point you realise you are watching but not seeing anything and then get a sudden jolt to bring you back. But if you were looking at the sky and saw something surely you would snap out of the haze?

The anti gravity programme was called project greenglow and it dissappeared pretty fast, I wasnt directly involved in it but I did realise how easy it was to keep things secret when we rolled out Replica and people I had lunch with and probably 2500 other people on site didnt know it existed and had been thoroughly Radar Signature tested, computer based theoretical flight tests and was a full size replica of a manned LO aircraft built only 200 meters from their office in a closed and access controlled Hangar. Imagine what you could do in the US with all that restricted space and national security and crashed UFO's.

reply to post by triplesod


Thank you for your reply, i am glad you enjoyed it.

reply to post by TheEnlightenedOne


Thanks for the positive advice! I am not discouraged one bit, everybody has their own opinion, but at the end of the day it is just that, their opinion. Thanks again.

Also, thanks for responding about actually speaking about somewhere you have personally been, unlike another poster who was calling me out, even thought he has never been to the DMZ.

reply to post by Spirit Warrior 11:11

Thank you, I am glad you see where I am coming from. Usually when I explain to people where I stand with the war, the first thing they say is "what about 9/11". So to save myself the frustration I usually leave it at that and end the conversation.

reply to post by MisterBurns


Its funny you mention this, because there were times that I was driving with to exercises like the one in my story (about a 4 hour drive), and the same thing would happen. I always figured I had just fallen asleep while driving and just not crashing, which is pretty insane considering the traffic in Seoul. I dont remember if this happened to me the time I had my encounter. Im not sure if this is the same thing, or if I really did just fall asleep. Just thought I would add that since you brought it up.

You two are referring to an actual phenomenon called Highway Hypnosis. This is precisely the reason that the local governments have curved the roads and highways at points even when it would be unnecessary. This is to cause the driver to take action and not keep in a haze which is dangerous to other travelers.

I was referring to something completely different ( perceptual blindness ). The mind compartmentalizes (sometimes and quite often) things it sees but does not have a reference for or is not expecting. Now that I have already explained the experiment I cannot show you firsthand BUT this is on youtube (as well as other sociological experiments in kind) and you can get a coworker to watch it and see for yourself. 50% of the people you show the video to will not see the very obvious girl in a gorilla suit walking around a basketball court. The experiment came to be called the invisible gorilla test.

reply to post by MisterBurns


I don't doubt this. Being in the industry I have seen numerous projects handled like this. The problem I have is if that tech is functional, which seems to be the case in my view, why the hell don't we see it in the field? Why are we wasting our time designing new aircraft and spending literally billions of dollars when it will have been for nothing? People's lives are at risk in the field. If this tech exists we should be seeing it at work. The only reason I can think of for it not being deployed is some secret organization is keeping it for themselves. I have no evidence for that other than Occams Razor. There are soo many sightings and also testimony of people working with this tech. Then you have crazy guys like Bob Lazar. What makes that story compelling is I don't think he even tried to make a profit off his tale and there were definitely consequences for him. I could be wrong on that but it's only one example.

A couple other things bother me. I was thinking about the UFO's at the Nevada Test Range and trying to figure out why they were behaving the way they were. If they were US birds being tested (likely) then why are they moving around each other like that? I can't see a reason to risk damage to prototypes doing this. Military and aerospace companies are unbelievably careful with their new toys especially due to the cost. All testing is extremely controlled not just due to safety but because we are constantly getting telemetry back to analyze and make the aircraft better. Messing around is not part of the flight plan.

Ok then I have another issue hurting the few brain cells I have left. Lets think out of the box here and entertain the idea they are not 'our' birds but some other species intelligently (assuming) controlled. Same question. Although we could not speculate as to their intentions, why would 'they' be flying around in circles themselves. I can't make sense of it. The only thing I can come up with is signaling...doing something to draw attention. Like when you are flying in an aircraft and you have an emergency and your radio is not working. You roll the aircraft back and forth waving...something like that maybe. But TWO of these things doing it?

Oh man. I just realized...maybe they were actually both just one object that was spinning. That actually makes more sense. It's still the strangest thing.

Originally posted by Spirit Warrior 11:11
Oh man. I just realized...maybe they were actually both just one object that was spinning. That actually makes more sense. It's still the strangest thing.

I could be wrong, but from my experiences/sightings it has to do with plasma just outside or on the outer hull of their craft in tandem with some kind of cyclotron maybe. Of course that plasma glow is just what it is but the other visual effects may be due to cyclotronic/synchrotronic radiation. The spinning lights could be 'pockets' of high potential differences within the plasma surrounding the craft?

But as some here have pointed out, in their experiences/sightings it is as if a bright light is being radiated omni-directionally, and it's hard for me to imagine how much energy or focusing would be required to make plasma radiate that brightly and sustained, considering how far away it is and that the gas medium is the atmosphere itself! Consider the luminosity of lightning. It's extremely bright but lasts only a fraction of a second. These craft maintain their 'shine' and then some. It's like sustained lightning distributed all over their craft.

My wife and I have seen these craft randomly flashing all over their outer flat black skins, like it was malfunctioning (I have some thoughts on that as well) so I personally know this effect is outside the craft. I'm not suggesting that this plasma glow/shine/sparking is their propulsion, but rather a side-effect(s) of it. I've seen the huge V/boomarang ship up very close and it was self illuminated in a purplish glow, so I'm pretty sure its some kind of cold plasma (otherwise it would have discharged with something like 45 times the energy in a lightning bolt, at least).

So, I propose that some of the strange luminous lights some of us see at night which display strange behavior/manuevers are not necessarily the entire physical craft itself, perhaps not even a part of the craft, but rather the accumulated energy on and outside the hull that is giving the illusion that the object is spinning or turning.

Again, it's just an idea. And sorry to be verbose. I just wanted to be specific.

reply to post by Flux8


I cannot really speculate. The ones (or one) I saw that were really bright were only a super bright white color. Really pure white and radiated spherically in all directions. This made identifying the shape of the craft impossible because all we could see were the spherical lights. It looked like two spheres of light rotating around each other.

Now that I think of it more I don't think it was one craft. The lights were not spinning symmetrically like you would imagine it would. I suppose it could have been an elongated craft which could have caused that but we couldn't see an outline to say that for sure. The single craft theory does make much more sense practically though.

As far as the other sighting...I have never seen anything like that since. It did absolutely seem like the different colors were an effect of some sort. Some form of high energy causing light to bend or radiating some gasses which lit up or some high level electromagnetic effect. Could be just about anything and those are only things which our own level of physics understands. We could be talking about something we have no mathematical or physical basis for (yet that is). I wish I could put that one with better words to describe it. If it were not on some crazy UFO and instead was on someones wall like an art piece you would think it one of the more beautiful things you have ever seen. Sort of undulating tones of light moving around sort of like an oil glaze over the top of flowing water. Very interesting. Some for of fields may be in effect there due to the flowing property. But as it was we were freaked the hell out too much to really appreciate that until later. That time I actually DID get to see the shape because the lights were not that bright. I mean they were bright but not so much that you couldn't look directly at the thing. It looked like ...I found a pic on google images that looks very similar.
Here. Looked like this. Only just a tad different. The shape is almost exact...like a classic saucer shape but with more layers above and below than that simple shape. There were some type of protrusions, or other type 'fixtures' going around the outside in a symmetrical pattern. Hell it could be decorations but I doubt it. There was a very clear row of what looked like port holes all the way around symmetrically as well. I'll never forget seeing that.
Funny thing is that was so powerful I cannot remember what we were doing that day or the name of the guy I was with. I do remember I was in the passenger seat and the other guy was driving. It was on the driver side of the blue car we were in (his) and was sort of hovering along next to us.

Similar to this but was not silver at the time. Well it could have been but all the color made it seem like it was a dull gray color.

reply to post by Spirit Warrior 11:11


I agree, it's all speculation. But I really lean to the idea that it's just one craft with pockets of oscillating energy that some of us are seeing.

Also, the boomarang craft that flew over me was around 400 meters wide and roughly 100 meters long and completely self illuminated in a purplish glow. I calculated that if this were some kind of corona discharge along the hull it would have discharged to ground, since air ionizes at 28 to 32kV per cm sq, depending on weather conditions. That means the craft would have been charged with something like 11.2 billion volts right?!? Impossible. Therefore I suspect it's some kind of plasma like effect, electrically quasineutral to the outside environment?? Maybe? I didn't feel any heat, and I don't think I was severly radiated to my knowledge . Maybe a physicist could chime in and tell us how plasma to that degree could be achieved without radiating heat, not to mention... it isn't in a vacuum or special gas, but just the air itself.

It does get weirder when you start breaking it down.

As for the pic you linked, isn't that a Pleaidean/Plajeran command ship, aka Billy Meier pic? Was it he or the other guy that said the 'aliens' told him their ships function much like a submarine except that they ride on clouds of electrons? I take it all with a few grains of salt, but I haven't R/O the possibility that they do ride on clouds of electrons of sorts. Accelerated electrons? How much energy would be needed to accelerate a group of electrons to relativistic speeds in that their cumulative mass would be equal to or greater that the cumulative proton + neutron mass of the ship and it's occupants? Curious.

I'm rambling now. Ahh hell, maybe it's all chi energy, who knows...

Originally posted by Vandervord
I for one believe your story, and for those that don't only proves that dis-info agents are doing there job, on the weak minded, hundreds of thousands of UFO reports a year, just think whats happening If one is true.

So if I refuse to believe this story it proves I'm weak-minded and affected by disinfo-agents?

Maybe, just maybe those who believe all these stories without question are the ones who are weak-minded and disinfoed?

reply to post by Spirit Warrior 11:11


IMO I would say its likely to be the one craft, its something thats always bothered me with sigtings is why they behave like they do.

What if the craft was 'X' shaped from the top down and on the ends of the X were some kind of thruster and the energy or red glo in the middle is the energy / gravity defying source.

Now imagine the glow is on something like a gyroscope and moving it would result in directional movement but , now imagine the 'X' is something like a spin recovery gantry the test planes have when they are practicing flame out engine restarts or expanding the envelope, instead of a chute the gantry has thrusters and the thrusters fire to re centralise the out of control craft, the test pilots are practising flying it and move outside the envolope and the thing spins out of controll, the pilot blacks out and the thrusters are used to correct the spin and bring the craft level.

Just one of a million possibilities eh?!