Japan needs Cold Fusion power plant

cold fussion energy must be available for all the world, it's obvios that there is too much risk in the traditional nuclear power plants

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Now John Lear talks about aliens on the moon and Venus and has flown for the CIA. It doesn't take a rocket sceintist to see what is going on.

Your going to need a lot of crackpot ideas to explain how there is a base on Venus. Given the atmosphere make up and pressure of it...

I think anything related to this stuff is speculation. And there are two types: Healthy speculation and unhealthy speculation. You cannot go around connecting dots and formulating theories off of he said/she said ramblings.

If you take a really critical look at it you can discount 99% because the people involved have made false claims, or even the respected people involved are basing their opinions on hearsay.

That being said, I also don't want to totally discount the other side of the argument. But I find that it is just as detrimental to assume some of these things as facts. Such as: active suppression antigrav, etc. active cold fusion and the like. At the end of the day there is some real people researching this, but exaggerating claims or whipping up giant conspiracies is does no help within the whole of the science community.

I know this is a conspiracy website, but the conspiracy I see has more to do with perpetuating false claims. Disinfo?

I've said in previous threads that free energy and the people associated with it are out and out frauds. However, I take back that wide stance. It was ignorant of me. After more research I see that there is work being done that does not consist of fraud. As another poster said, certainly a lot of pathological or deluded science. But to paint the whole community with one brush is wrong.

As for Rossi and Mills, there is nothing to sway my opinion from either of them so far that they are nothing more than confused, ignorant or complacent in what they are doing. And I don't think their projects have produced results. The very fact that they have made media releases while also admitting they don't fully understand their process is a giant smack in the face as to whether you should believe them.

Originally posted by boncho
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The very fact that they have made media releases while also admitting they don't fully understand their process is a giant smack in the face as to whether you should believe them.

I completely disagree with this.. you don't have to understand something to make a working device. Cavemen didn't understand what fire was or how fire worked but they knew how to start one and use it to cook meat.

If you read up on the Rossi stuff you see they have a prestiguious university verifying their claims and many people are saying they believe this is real.

Also.. as I said.. my dad saw a lfying saucer up close and personal.. but if you do research on this subject of UFOs and see where they derived from -- Nazi Germany... then reseach Viktor Schauberger.. all this stuff starts to become very clear. Like I said though.. I was very lucky.. I had the account of someone I trust completely to get a footing with all this disinfo. When you hve a hard fact to rely on it allows you to see what is real and what isn't.

The real key to all this is that saucer shapes are ideal for giving a aicraft low radar visibility. This is why the Germans designed them this way.. but when soldiers saw them they assumed they were alien because they were so weird and advanced.. this gave our own government the idea of how to hide this tech from other governments.. our own military and the general public. It works perfectly because people want to believe in aliens more than us developing antigravity.. This is why Bob lazar and Billy Meier were government disinfo agents.

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I completely disagree with this.. you don't have to understand something to make a working device. Cavemen didn't understand what fire was or how fire worked but they knew how to start one and use it to cook meat.

The cavemen didn't claim to have created a theory that replaces all previous physics.

This example does not fit to what is going on anyways. The earliest humans took something commonly observed in nature and recreated it. Something we have been repeating since documented history.

However, many of these "free energy" ideas or schemes, are claiming to have either created a new form of matter, or do something that is not documented or does not fit in our observable universe. Therefore, to come to a conclusion that you are doing something of the sort, you must rule out all known facts.

There are plenty of legitimate research projects, that are doing experiments with the same ideas as some of the people that claim to have made 'free energy', however, the legit ones do not make any claims that you can actually get energy out of the process. Haisch is one, that after I looked further into his work, it seems he has made a so called zero point energy device, although it does not claim to produce any usable amount of energy.

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If you read up on the Rossi stuff you see they have a prestiguious university verifying their claims and many people are saying they believe this is real.

What prestigious university exactly? Where are the reviews of their papers by said university? Rossi made up his own scientific journal because it was rejected by legit sources.

How come the crackpots on this subject like to toss around words like "prestigious university" but supposedly the entire establishment has been suppressing all the "free energy" for years.

By the way extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. The first man to invent or use fire probably didn't know just exactly what he was doing. That is a big difference from saying you found cold fusion, zpe, a casmir 'reactor', a hydrino, or the like and then be unable to exactly explain how it works. Also, if they don't know exactly what they are doing why are they trying to go into production?

For you to know what you have, and for it to be certifiably -a new source or method of producing something, you must first limit all known science on the action/reaction/project, etc.

Originally posted by Maslo
Cold fusion is not proven, so lets concentrate on the real and possible long term solutions. Those are Generation 4 reactors and Thorium reactors. And alongside that invest in hot Fusion power.

Or people could just learn to stop playing with nuclear fire on Earth.

There are nontoxic, nonthreatening ways to warm and light a home and cook food.

And I'm not talking exclusive luddism, either.

Originally posted by boncho
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If you read up on the Rossi stuff you see they have a prestiguious university verifying their claims and many people are saying they believe this is real.

Rossi made up his own scientific journal because it was rejected by legit sources.

Why did Bob Lazar have no school records and no history of working for Los Alamos but he is working back there now reportedly?

How come the crackpots on this subject like to toss around words like "prestigious university" but supposedly the entire establishment has been suppressing all the "free energy" for years.

Because the prestiguous universities are in on it.. and this roll out of the technology is controlled and on their terms..

By the way extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

We may never get that info because it seems our government is going to outloaw this tech before it is understood by anyone outside TPTB - by design. I think they have been plannign for this when they realized the implication of the tech.

The first man to invent or use fire probably didn't know just exactly what he was doing. That is a big difference from saying you found cold fusion, zpe, a casmir 'reactor', a hydrino, or the like and then be unable to exactly explain how it works. Also, if they don't know exactly what they are doing why are they trying to go into production?

We don't understand gravity but we still have devices that work to defy it... we don't understand a lot of things but we still have technolgies that use them,, they are just inexact sciences.. if we understood everything we would never have technolgies that failed or we would never discover new things. These technologies may seem amazing to us but in reality they are no more impressive than fire or anything else.. it just seems that way to us because we are so primitive.


Here is a good article on cold fusion and why I think these Rossi guys are legit..

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pesn.com...

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Because the prestiguous universities are in on it.. and this roll out of the technology is controlled and on their terms..

We may never get that info because it seems our government is going to outloaw this tech before it is understood by anyone outside TPTB - by design. I think they have been plannign for this when they realized the implication of the tech.

Okay, your crazy theories don't even fit together. The universities are in on it, but they are suppressing it....but they are backing Rossi and that is why he is credible?

We don't understand gravity but we still have devices that work to defy it.

Wrong, any devices that we have that defy gravity are all explained by modern science. I'm not saying it is impossible for someone to engineer a device that can't immediately be explained by science. I am saying it is impossible for some of these people to claim what is going on in their experiments.

Meaning, it is unverified, they don't know what's going on -they say they don't know what's going on, no one does for that matter. If everyone knew, everyone could replicate it. If they did know, they would have something to back it.

Here is a good article on cold fusion and why I think these Rossi guys are legit..

What part of that article implies they are legit? It is nothing better than a press release.

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Okay, your crazy theories don't even fit together. The universities are in on it, but they are suppressing it....but they are backing Rossi and that is why he is credible?

It's not that difficult to understand.. it is if you are trying not to understand though... the government and universities were suppressing this tech... many people don't realzie they are being manipulated by the powers that be.. like the universities. The Government has had a plan on how they were going o suppress this tech from the beginning.. they have been preparing for this ever since. Just as we were abou to discover this tech they are in the process of removing that possibility. BUT.. they are releasing this tech as a show using their own people.. and in the process I suspect some disaster will be tied to cold fusion tech - like an antimatter bomb -- say in the middle east.. or anywhere really.. maybe china.. etc..

This is likely why the Italian scientists aren't releasing their full process as well... same with Blacklight Power- - Randell Mills..

We don't understand gravity but we still have devices that work to defy it.

Sure we do.. airplanes and rockets..

Meaning, it is unverified, they don't know what's going on, no one does for that matter. If everyone knew, everyone could replicate it.

Rossi and Mills have both said they know more than they have made public..

Sure we do.. airplanes and rockets..

Which are explained by physics. It's not really defying gravity, it is countering it. You do know there is calculations that go into producing a rocket engine. They don't just pack a random amount of fuel and hope it makes it into space...

Rossi and Mills have both said they know more than they have made public..

And they spend the more time focusing on getting more investors than letting anyone know what's going on. Your argument is a fallacy, Mills has claimed for twenty years that he had a free energy device but never produced on that claim.

Hypothetically, if they were con artists, doesn't everything they say fit in with that assumption.

and in the process I suspect some disaster will be tied to cold fusion tech - like an antimatter bomb -- say in the middle east

Where is there a reference to anti-matter related to cold fusion, can you provide one?

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Which are explained by physics. It's not really defying gravity, it is countering it.

How can you effectively couunter something if you don't understand what you are countering? Yet we still use technology to counter gravity..

You do know there is calculations that go into producing a rocket engine. They don't just pack a random amount of fuel and hope it makes it into space...

And they spend the more time focusing on getting more investors than letting anyone know what's going on. Your argument is a fallacy, Mills has claimed for twenty years that he had a free energy device but never produced on that claim.

There are a number of ways to explain this.. currently I believe they were intentionally stalling because it was diinfo.. but again.. the best disinfo involves using REAL info... I think the tech is real.. but alot of BS is mixed in to take people off the real trail.

Where is there a reference to anti-matter related to cold fusion, can you provide one?

There is a thread here somewhere where this was discussed.. someone had pointed out the Rossi cold fusion as described was eerily similar to what Lazar described with his "alien saucer".

Lazar eve used an antimatter bomb as an analogy to show how powerful antimatter was..he said it would wipe out the entire middle east..

www.youtube.com...

Again.. the Rossi cold fusion description in his patent was nearly identical.. Bob Lazar also surfaced right around when Pons and Fleischmann went public. Just after... imo it was to throw attention away from cold fusion.

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I don't know how to respond to this without a tinfoil hat on my head.

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All truth goes through three phases.. first it is ridiculed.. second it is violently opposed.. third it is accepted as self evident..

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There is a thread here somewhere where this was discussed.. someone had pointed out the Rossi cold fusion as described was eerily similar to what Lazar described with his "alien saucer".

It is nothing of the like. There is no way, no how, that what Lazar was talking about is similar at all to what Rossi describes.

You have no explanation for anything, you have clearly misinterpreted many things about this.

Originally posted by boncho
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There is a thread here somewhere where this was discussed.. someone had pointed out the Rossi cold fusion as described was eerily similar to what Lazar described with his "alien saucer".

It is nothing of the like. There is no way, no how, that what Lazar was talking about is similar at all to what Rossi describes.

You have no explanation for anything, you have clearly misinterpreted many things about this.

I read the Rossi patent.. have you? The patent describes it exactly the same as the Lazar "alien" system... which was disinfo.. no aliens involved..

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Start reading the thread here...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

pesn.com...

Originally posted by 8311-XHT
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Start reading the thread here...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

pesn.com...

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I've read the patent. Yep, nothing like what Lazar is talking about. And you should read the experiment paper too...

Someone in that thread came to the exact same conlcusion I did before I read his conclusion... someone around here appears to be a disinfo agent..


www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by 8311-XHT
Someone in that thread came to the exact same conlcusion I did before I read his conclusion... someone around here appears to be a disinfo agent..

Yes because the superheavy element-115 has so many comparisons to the lightest element Hydrogen. And the similarities continue? In Lazar's contraption they use a supercollider to shoot a proton into the element-155, how is that anything like Rossi's experiment. Please tell me where the similarity is...

Lazar also claimed there was a vacuum to suck the antimatter away. (I can't believe I have to go into detail over this)

Rossi is not claiming anything of the sort, physics does not work with anything you are saying. Standard procedure to label another person a disinfo agent when unable to back up their claims or show any understanding of what they are talking about.

Originally posted by boncho

Originally posted by 8311-XHT
Someone in that thread came to the exact same conlcusion I did before I read his conclusion... someone around here appears to be a disinfo agent..

Yes because the superheavy element-115 has so many comparisons to the lightest element Hydrogen. And the similarities continue? In Lazar's contraption they use a supercollider to shoot a proton into the element-155, how is that anything like Rossi's experiment. Please tell me where the similarity is...

Lazar also claimed there was a vacuum to suck the antimatter away. (I can't believe I have to go into detail over this)

Rossi is not claiming anything of the sort, physics does not work with anything you are saying. Standard procedure to label another person a disinfo agent when unable to back up their claims or show any understanding of what they are talking about.

If you can't see the eery similarities between Rossi's system and what Lazar described something is seriously wrong.

They don't have to be IDENTICAL for that to be the case...