The San Pedro Poltergeist Case

I am a fence-sitter when it comes to the paranormal, I have read and seen some strange stuff that has me wondering and I am definitely open-minded when it comes to the subject.

Having said that, to be completely honest that image of the bloke being assaulted and hung by a 'poltergeist' looks more to me like he is standing on an angled part of the roof frame and pressing his head into the roof. The only thing that looks a little odd is his shirt being pulled up toward the roof - but seriously he could have just put that there himself.

In no way am I trying to cause trouble, nor am I claiming anyone is a nutjob or anything, I just thought I'd give my honest impression.

reply to post by Kryties

In no way am I trying to cause trouble, nor am I claiming anyone is a nutjob or anything, I just thought I'd give my honest impression.

I don't think you're trying to cause trouble or anything. Trust me, I may be a believer in this case, but I'm more than happy to receive skeptical points of views.

It's important in fact, so thanks for that post of yours! Starred.

Please do watch this video though, near the beginning of the video more Images of this "hanging" are shown. You may find it a bit more enlightening that the current image I have provided in the OP is all.

Here is it:



As far as I'm aware also, although of course I could be mistaken here, the activity here occurred very quickly, and images were quickly taken roughly at the point of activity occurring also so, I've always felt It was unlikely he could've done it himself. He seemed plausible to me too, after all, Jeff Wheatcraft was one of the hardcore skeptics of the group I believe.

EDIT TO ADD: Not that the video is evidence of anything btw, but I just feel you may find it more enlightening and telling that the current image I have shown.

reply to post by Rising Against


I watched the video and did see the other images taken from another angle. I don't know really, nothing about the images suggest it could not be done by the bloke himself yet his reaction does seem real. Its a tough call I guess, and I don't think there is enough visual information to say either way.

Maybe I'm just sceptical because in the back of my mind a thought is constantly running saying 'these people have a vested interest in showing/proving paranormal events'.

I have been known to be wrong though, from time to time

Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by Rising Against

 

Its a tough call I guess,

Agreed. And, as I've said right from the start of discussing this case - This is one of the very very VERY few instances where I can actually say I believe this was genuine paranormal phenomenon. Usually I don't feel comfortable saying it as there is always that little bit of doubt as you yourself said - I suppose It's still there with this case really, but hey, what can I say, I'm actually convinced by the "evidence" (and yes, I do use that loosely) presented in this case for once. I feel the witnesses are credible, I believe they are telling the truth and I feel the case hasn't ever been shoved down anyones throat - "fame seeking."

I could always be wrong and you're spot on when you say It's a tough all. Because... My god, It is, lol.

I have been known to be wrong though, from time to time

Ditto.

reply to post by Rising Against


There certainly is a strong case to be had here, that's for sure. The vid footage looks convincing, and if you are pretty convinced then I'd sure agree with you on this

I know just how much of a skeptic you really are Scully

reply to post by Rising Against


no no im agreeing with you in saying i dont think he had enough time harm himself, and even if he did why would he want to harm himself to the point where he ultimitly could have died

Originally posted by caf1550
reply to post by Rising Against

 

no no im agreeing with you in saying i dont think he had enough time harm himself, and even if he did why would he want to harm himself to the point where he ultimitly could have died

Apologies, I didn't mean to come across as if I thought you was disagreeing with me or anything like that. I was just giving my opinion on what I felt could have really occurred here. That's all.

But, I still think you should reconsider wanting to go to this place though to be honest.

reply to post by Rising Against


its ok good sir

no matter what anyone says me and my friends are going there for sprig break and we will try to check this location out

Originally posted by caf1550
reply to post by Rising Against

 

its ok good sir

no matter what anyone says me and my friends are going there for sprig break and we will try to check this location out

lol, trust me, I understand that.

It would be a fascinating place to check out.. Despite the alleged dangers"......

Originally posted by uk today
reply to post by Rising Against

 

I know just how much of a skeptic you really are Scully

Thanks Mulder.

Great and interesting thread.
obviously done the necessary research.
thanks

reply to post by SharkBiskit


Thank you.

It's a great, enlightening and interesting paranormal case IMO. I wanted to share it with others whom find this topic something of an interest also.

reply to post by Rising Against

This looks like a really good case of poltergeist activity. They have been known as violent or mischievous in many ways. I wish they caught footage of the guy while he was being attached by the spirit. That would be even more convincing evidence of this incident.

reply to post by Rising Against


Hi RA,

Interesting read, well put together. Firstly I am skeptic but I enjoy reading these types of threads with an open mind. You know the one thing I often ask myself is, where are the modern day poltergeist / Haunted House stories.....

From what I can tell, most stories we talk about these days are all based around the 70-80's.

reply to post by paranormal78

 

I wish they caught footage of the guy while he was being attached by the spirit. That would be even more convincing evidence of this incident.

Agreed, but I think all we have is the photographic evidence at the time of the attack unfortunately. Better than nothing though I suppose.

What did you think about the photographs anyway out of curiosity?

Originally posted by downunder666
reply to post by Rising Against

 

Firstly I am skeptic but I enjoy reading these types of threads with an open mind.

Again, I feel myself agreeing here. I personally think approaching something of this nature from the skeptical point of view will always be the correct approach. Without a doubt. That being so though, I still have to admit this case is one of the very first I will admit to being a believer of - especially on the ATS boards and prior to posting anyway.

I just feel the amount of "evidence" in favor is one of the best I've had the pleasure to come across and I feel the people involved are more than credible also (something not always found easily) and not ones whom are prone to lying to "get famous" so to speak.

I could be wrong though of course and I'm more than open to it but I do believe this case in genuine - and I do still try to tackle it from a skeptical point of view.

You know the one thing I often ask myself is, where are the modern day poltergeist / Haunted House stories.....

I think today people are more skeptical, or just plain not interested, in these types of cases to be completely honest. Not as much as they were anyway.

reply to post by Rising Against

I guess you will already realise this but never underestimate the role that personal bias plays in these cases! A investigator who believes in the paranormal, and who may see a local case as being his path to psychic superstardom, may well blow the incidents out of all proportions and make the case more interesting than it really is. Think of what Harry Price did to the Borley Rectory haunting! The opposite is also the case. An investigator who feels it is his place to protect the current scientific paradigm from attack, from what he sees as irrational thinking, may well turn a blind eye to true events...
When studying these cases shown on the TV or on the web you often have to spend more time considering the person who is presenting the case (can he/she be trusted etc) than what they are actually presenting! Just imagine how frustrating it must be to spend years, decades in my case, pursuing a real case only to find one, present your findings and films collected over months of hard work and dedication, only to have some part time sceptic dismiss them and announce your films fake and the case a load of anti scientific nonsense?

I say again my friend, never over look the investigators personal bias... "

reply to post by Rising Against

"Sorry everyone, double post.

reply to post by CholmondleyWarner

When studying these cases shown on the TV or on the web you often have to spend more time considering the person who is presenting the case

This is very important IMO and one of the factors in making me believe this is a genuine case of paranormal activity.

Interesting video on the San Pedro Case here.