NASA disavows its scientist's claim of alien life

NASA disavows its scientist's claim of alien life

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WASHINGTON – The gaps and stringy fibers in these space rocks sure look like bacteria, and a NASA researcher has caused a stir with claims that they're fossils of alien life. But as NASA found 15 years ago, looks can be deceiving.

Top scientists in different disciplines immediately found pitfalls in a newly published examination of three meteorites that went viral on the Internet over the weekend. NASA and its top scientists disavowed the work by noon Monday.

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LOL -- that sure was quick. Debunked in 60 Seconds!

Can't have a NASA scientist going around saying there could be FOSSILS of ALIEN LIFE in meteorites! No, we all know THERE'S NO POSSIBILITY OF LIFE ANYWHERE ELSE in the universe. Not even bacteria. Not even phages.

Time to send in the "top scientists in different disciplines" to "immediately find pitfalls" in that naive NASA scientist's research, not to mention giving him a good talking to about NASA rules on discovering alien life. Namely, don't even try it.

This NASA stuff is rich. You couldn't make it up.

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Yea I call BS too. Hope this poor scientist doesn't get fired or snuffed out.

Deebo

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how many so called millions did that analysis cost?
Never A Straight Answere---dont they ever get tired of looking so dumb?

^ This..
Too many wrong answers makes it look like funding NASA is a lost cause.
It's not a good look at all.

Open, public, debate with the scientists concerned, each presenting their data and reasoning for their conclusions. Then debate and discuss with each other, and see where they all end up. No gagging by anyone, no threats or consequences. Honest open science, presented in an honest intellectual way to the public- as the whole NASA and everything else is actually paid for by the public.

No ifs or buts, this is overdue, the time is now.

This whole article is horse dung. We had loose confirmation of an old claim of microbes on a mars rock which fell to earth in the 70's just weeks ago, but this article almost completely ignores this evidence and seems to imply that nothing of the sort has ever been suggested.
It would be nice if NASA at least made its lies consistant in these cases.

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If you actually look at the section of the online publishing of the article it has an area where it is posting all of the legitimate scientific opinions. Interestingly enough I'd say that about 95% of them are IN FAVOR of the paper. I was shocked when I read this Yahoo article which basically claims 'no one' in the scientific community believes the paper! LMAO!!! There sure were plenty of responses by scientists who studied it in depth that disagree!!! In fact just to double check, I Googled some of the scientists who were giving such glowing reviews....yes they are real, and yes they are well respected. Don't take my word for it.

1st page journalofcosmology.com...

Page of commentary from Scientists journalofcosmology.com...

Does it really matter anymore?

We all know virtually 99% of news media is propaganda or someone's lobbied hit piece.

Maybe it's high time an entrepreneurial spirit privatizes space exploration and tells agencies like NASA to go F--- themselves.

I'm not even into alien theory or 'space' in general, but even I know this immediate NASA counter is BS. The fecal scent is in fact so immense, that I almost passed out. Rather than using something called "evidence", or "debate", they are quite literally trying to tell You and other scientists what you should or shouldn't see. Based on photos, of all things. Even though everyone is looking at the same thing, "NASA" (they're apparently autonomous) is telling you and this poor scientist, that NASA is going to 'see' on our behalf. They're trying to alter your perception and sully your critical-thinking.

Originally posted by GoldenFleece
LOL -- that sure was quick. Debunked in 60 Seconds!

Can't have a NASA scientist going around saying there could be FOSSILS of ALIEN LIFE in meteorites! No, we all know THERE'S NO POSSIBILITY OF LIFE ANYWHERE ELSE in the universe. Not even bacteria. Not even phages.

Time to send in the "top scientists in different disciplines" to "immediately find pitfalls" in that naive NASA scientist's research, not to mention giving him a good talking to about NASA rules on discovering alien life. Namely, don't even try it.

This NASA stuff is rich. You couldn't make it up.

news.yahoo.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

edit on 3/10/2011 by GoldenFleece because: (no reason given)

Any ATS member that is acceptable of alien life out there somewhere and even intelligent life--such as amply illustrated by the continuous appearance of UFOs here and now--should be painfully aware that this is part of the game TPTB are playing.

I've mentioned it before. They started this tactic back with the Viking "search for life" experiements" on Mars in the mid-1970s. Then later they got President Clinton to make a special announcement of finding evidence of life on a piece of asteroid, (meteorite). Then they turned around in a couple of days, and say, "Sorry, false alarm." (I think that trick has been pulled about three times now.)

This ploy has been used severa times in dealing with evidence of life and especially over evidence for water on Mars. It is all part of a systematic preparation of the public to be eased into a final acceptance that we are not alone. The public is kept in the fence, in the middle. They may have their suspicions because they generally know about the things called UFOs that the government constantly denies, but they simply cannot be sure of anything.

We here on ATS basically already know all of that and we should be the first to recognize the manipulation. Not that we can or should do anything about it. The sheeple do need to be lead to the trough of knowledge, don't they?

To be honest I never carried the initial story on my blog because I was pretty sure the evidence looked questionable. We've seen it before. I'd want to see independent verification before I take the claim seriously.

(I also wondered whether the meteorite itself might have originated from Earth - blasted into space by an impact like Chicxulub, before returning millions of years later)

Nothwithstanding which, I'm quite sure very simple life exists elsewhere in this solar system, let alone elsewhere in the galaxy.

Originally posted by Essan
To be honest I never carried the initial story on my blog because I was pretty sure the evidence looked questionable. We've seen it before. I'd want to see independent verification before I take the claim seriously.

(I also wondered whether the meteorite itself might have originated from Earth - blasted into space by an impact like Chicxulub, before returning millions of years later)

Nothwithstanding which, I'm quite sure very simple life exists elsewhere in this solar system, let alone elsewhere in the galaxy.

Considering the fact that one of the meteors, the Orgueil meteor, is older than Earth I imagine it'd be pretty hard for it to have originated from Earth.

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Fair enough, But I was sceptical of the claims - I don't think even basic life will evolve on small asteroids, so where did the supposed fossils come from? Anyway, there were lots of questions and it appears I wasn't the only one asking.

Originally posted by Essan
reply to post by Leto

 

Anyway, there were lots of questions and it appears I wasn't the only one asking.

According to this poster who viewed the comments from other scientists, you're part of the 5% who were skeptical.

Which doesn't surprise me one but.

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Hmmm, that's not a scientific journal and the website appears to be up for sale.

It is likely that his findings have already been disregarded by many in the field. NASA has said he has been pitching this hypothesis for years. One would think that if he had what he claims to have the first places he would have tried to publish at would be journals like Science and Nature, not some online journal that has a dubious reputation. Now from my own experience, the peer-review process can take a long time, which would account for why it has taken him this long to finally have something published. He probably submitted his article to many of the big name journals, but kept getting rejected due to questionable science, leaving him with only one place left to submit Journal of Cosmology. As for the comments on the site, this is never a good way to judge the actual opinion on something. All you are seeing are the scientists that know of the journal, know of the article, have enough spare time to write a review, and care enough to write a review. This is a very small subset of scientists. What we actually need to wait for are the follow-up articles published in peer-reviewed journals that discuss the finding.

Originally posted by Essan
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Hmmm, that's not a scientific journal.

Not a scientific journal? You mean compared to your blog?

The day that you get just a few commentaries from people like this is the day YOU'LL have a scientific journal:

Commentaries

1. The Origins of Life Rhawn Joseph, Ph.D.

2. The Search for Extraterrestrial Life Michael H. Engel, Ph.D.,

3. Fear of the Unknown: Do You Believe in Extraterrestrial Life? Definitely maybe! Cody Youngbull, Ph.D.,

4. Why Couldn't Life Evolve Independently, On Earth? Harrison H. Schmitt, Ph.D.

5. A Critical Analysis: Fossils of Cyanobacteria in CII Carbonaceous Meteorites M.A. Line, Ph.D.

6. Life from Outer Space B.G. Sidharth, Ph.D.,

7. Adjusting the Moral Compass for Navigating in a Living Universe Saara Reiman

8. Did Earth Seed the Solar System With Life? Patrick Godon, Ph.D.

9. Life in CI1 Carbonaceous Chondrites? Martin D. Brasier, Ph.D.

10. Bioinformatic Analysis Supports Cylindrospermopsis-like Fossil Explanation Todd Holden, Ph.D., George Tremberger Jr., Ph.D., Tak Cheung, Ph.D.

11. Microfossils in Comet Dust and Meteorites: A Vindication of Panspermia Chandra Wickramasinghe, Ph.D.,

12. The Discovery of Fossil Evidence of Extraterrestrial Life in Meteors Elena Pikuta, Ph.D.,

13. Understanding the Emergence of Life on Earth Rosanna del Gaudio, Ph.D.,

14. Is The Origin of Life Really Alien? Andrea Nani, Ph.D. and Andrea E. Cavanna, M.D., Ph.D

16. Alien Microfossils? Criticism and Analysis Paolo Pasquinelli, Ph.D.

17. Discovery of Cyanobacteria in Meteorites: Implications for Astrobiology and Cosmology
Frank J. Tipler, Ph.D.

18. Extraterrestrial Life, Syntropy and Water Antonella Vannini, Ph.D., and Ulisse Di Corpo

19. Life Everywhere! Pushkar Ganesh Vaidya, Ph.D.

20. Let There be Life: Thermosynthesizers and Hoover's Meteorites. Anthonie W.J. Muller, Ph.D

21. Our Cosmic Ancestry Prasanta Mukhopadhyay, Ph.D.

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Wel obviously I didn't study the samples any more than they did. But just having a phd doesn't mean you're always right, does it

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
Now from my own experience, the peer-review process can take a long time, which would account for why it has taken him this long to finally have something published.

From your experience?

Aren't you the guy who recently graduated from college with a psych degree?

And now you're somehow qualified to comment on a paper by a NASA astrobiologist?

Originally posted by Essan
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Wel obviously I didn't study the samples any more than they did.

Or any more than NASA and their "scientific specialists" who are scurrying out of the woodwork to express their doubts.

Originally posted by Essan
But just having a phd doesn't mean you're always right, does it

No, to be always right requires the creation of a weather blog.