Probably obvious to most, but to be definite..(Mark of the beast..)

Originally posted by TNTarheel
Since the Anti-Christ is not in power, the Mark has not been implemented yet. The Mark will be required as a sign of loyalty (only the loyal supporters will have the ability to buy, sell, trade, etc.) and accepting it will be a concious decision...not something forced upon you by subterfuge. It can only come into play when the world moves to a cashless basis.

"The love of money is the root of all evil" but it isn't the Mark.

Yeah ok, you may want to check out my thread here:

Rise of the Anti-Christ

You are supporting the system by using money.
You are loyal to the system by using money.


Don't take my word for it, just keep watching.

With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by IAMIAM
Yeah ok, you may want to check out my thread here:

Rise of the Anti-Christ

You are supporting the system by using money.
You are loyal to the system by using money.


Don't take my word for it, just keep watching.

With Love,

Your Brother

And you, sir, may want to "check out" your Bible; more specifically the book of Revelation.

Money is a tool...nothing more and nothing less. Money is NOT the Mark of the Beast.

reply to post by IAMIAM


You able to give me a better understanding of what I've said earlier?

"Sorry, but that is impossible because it is contradicting the Bible.

The 144,000 get the seal of God and don't get the mark of the beast. The 144,000 will be living during the time of tribulation when the mark of the beast will be present.

I believe you believe that the mark of beast is spiritual, because you believe the Seal of God is spiritual...

It is in my hand? Revelation says in the RIGHT hand. I'm left-handed , where most of my actions are from.

All of revelation was for the End Times.

Money has been around for a very long time.

You do realize it says in the right hand OR the forehead?

It's one OR the other. How can you have wicked actions if it starts from the mind and you only have the mark of the beast on your hand?

Since you can't have both, you'll either be wicked minded but with no wicked actions from your hand, or not wicked at all. "

Everything I've said make's perfect sense. I don't see any other way of looking at it. Logic is a gift to us from God.

It's when there's is no faith with logic/vice versa, is when it gets bad.

Originally posted by Anonposzter
most ppl don't noes dis but 666 is the number of the man - not the beast.

Absolutely, the number of the man is how one identifies the Beast. The man is the key to identifying the beast, the number of the man is the key to identifying who is representing the beast.

Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by Techyo
You able to give me a better understanding of what I've said earlier?

"Sorry, but that is impossible because it is contradicting the Bible.

The 144,000 get the seal of God and don't get the mark of the beast. The 144,000 will be living during the time of tribulation when the mark of the beast will be present.

I believe the 144,000 will be those who awaken from their slumber and renounce the mark of the beast wholly and utterly. If not, then I will go to my grave alone.

Though if you are paying attention, more and more are waking up and living "off grid" without Government sanction or money. Is it 144,000? I sure hope so. That number could start a real movement to taking back a country and then the planet.

Originally posted by Techyo
I believe you believe that the mark of beast is spiritual, because you believe the Seal of God is spiritual...

It is both spiritual and material. The two cannot be separated. Money is the motivation for all that one does. It proudly boasts "In God We Trust" upon it while making you it's slave. If you truly trusted in God, why do you need money? Do the daisies in the field exchange dollars with the Sun and Soil?

Originally posted by Techyo
It is in my hand? Revelation says in the RIGHT hand. I'm left-handed , where most of my actions are from.

I addressed this in a previous reply. It has to do with poop.

Originally posted by Techyo
All of revelation was for the End Times.

Yep.

Originally posted by Techyo
Money has been around for a very long time.

Yep. And so has the serpent within us. Now it is the dragon.

Originally posted by Techyo
You do realize it says in the right hand OR the forehead?

I got my mind on my money and my money on my mind.

Originally posted by Techyo
It's one OR the other. How can you have wicked actions if it starts from the mind and you only have the mark of the beast on your hand?

Some use it out of necessity. They lack the faith in God needed to abandon the system (hand). Others outright worship money (mind).

Does this make any better sense?

With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by TNTarheel
And you, sir, may want to "check out" your Bible; more specifically the book of Revelation.

Why read the newspaper when you are part of the story?

Originally posted by TNTarheel
Money is a tool...nothing more and nothing less. Money is NOT the Mark of the Beast.

edit on 3/9/2011 by TNTarheel because: reword

If you say so...

Slave shackles are just tools too you know.

With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by IAMIAM

Originally posted by Techyo
You able to give me a better understanding of what I've said earlier?

"Sorry, but that is impossible because it is contradicting the Bible.

The 144,000 get the seal of God and don't get the mark of the beast. The 144,000 will be living during the time of tribulation when the mark of the beast will be present.

I believe the 144,000 will be those who awaken from their slumber and renounce the mark of the beast wholly and utterly. If not, then I will go to my grave alone.

Though if you are paying attention, more and more are waking up and living "off grid" without Government sanction or money. Is it 144,000? I sure hope so. That number could start a real movement to taking back a country and then the planet.

Originally posted by Techyo
I believe you believe that the mark of beast is spiritual, because you believe the Seal of God is spiritual...

It is both spiritual and material. The two cannot be separated. Money is the motivation for all that one does. It proudly boasts "In God We Trust" upon it while making you it's slave. If you truly trusted in God, why do you need money? Do the daisies in the field exchange dollars with the Sun and Soil?

Originally posted by Techyo
It is in my hand? Revelation says in the RIGHT hand. I'm left-handed , where most of my actions are from.

I addressed this in a previous reply. It has to do with poop.

Originally posted by Techyo
All of revelation was for the End Times.

Yep.

Originally posted by Techyo
Money has been around for a very long time.

Yep. And so has the serpent within us. Now it is the dragon.

Originally posted by Techyo
You do realize it says in the right hand OR the forehead?

I got my mind on my money and my money on my mind.

Originally posted by Techyo
It's one OR the other. How can you have wicked actions if it starts from the mind and you only have the mark of the beast on your hand?

Some use it out of necessity. They lack the faith in God needed to abandon the system (hand). Others outright worship money (mind).

Does this make any better sense?

With Love,

Your Brother

Please don't be offended by this, there is only one truth. We both can at least agree on that.

I didn't expect you to actually reply to what I've said. I was hoping you wouldn't, cause It scares me to see people built up with these false beliefs for so long that they can't let go of them.

I guess we'll go our own ways, I don't want to offend you, I made this thread out of love.

Originally posted by Techyo
Please don't be offended by this, there is only one truth. We both can at least agree on that.

Truth is like a disco ball. There is only one, but each sees it from their own angle, thus the light shines differently.

Step back and look from all angles, then you see the whole ball is reflecting light.

Originally posted by Techyo
I didn't expect you to actually reply to what I've said. I was hoping you wouldn't, cause It scares me to see people built up with these false beliefs for so long that they can't let go of them.

This I promise you, there is absolutely no reason to fear ANYTHING.

Originally posted by Techyo
I guess we'll go our own ways, I don't want to offend you, I made this thread out of love.

No worries my friend. I do not get offended. All we can ever do, is share our view. It won't be much longer before we all step back and behold the wondrous disco ball.

With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by IAMIAM

Why read the newspaper when you are part of the story?

I would think the Bible to be much more than a newspaper.

Originally posted by TNTarheel
Money is a tool...nothing more and nothing less. Money is NOT the Mark of the Beast.

edit on 3/9/2011 by TNTarheel because: reword

If you say so...

Slave shackles are just tools too you know.

With Love,

Your Brother

edit on 9-3-2011 by IAMIAM because: (no reason given)

Money is NOT the Mark of the Beast. Why would you mislead those who are trying to find their way??

For those who would know the Truth...read your Bible!! DO NOT take what I or anyone else says about end-time prophecies as the ultimate authority.

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Originally posted by TNTarheel
I would think the Bible to be much more than a newspaper.

Aren't you supposed to be spreading the "Good News"?

Do you remember what that good news is that you are supposed to be spreading?

Originally posted by TNTarheel
Money is NOT the Mark of the Beast. Why would you mislead those who are trying to find their way??

Money IS the Mark of the Beast. Why would you mislead those who are trying to find their way??

Originally posted by TNTarheel
For those who would know the Truth...read your Bible!! DO NOT take what I or anyone else says about end-time prophecies as the ultimate authority.

Reading the Bible is always good advice. More importantly though, develop a relationship with the Master within you. That is who will never steer you wrong. As far as end times prophecies go, who cares? Is not this very moment in time as precious as the last? Are you certain you will wake tomorrow to another as wonderful as this one? Worry not about tomorrow, look what you are doing with your today.

Originally posted by TNTarheel
Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Ah the cliche tossing of Biblical quotes that have nothing to do with the topic, but aim to disparage the person with whom you disagree with. How very Loving of You.

Here are some quotes that actually pertain to the subject at hand:

16And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 20The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. 22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

Ah the love of money... The poor young man was doing so well until he discovered he had to give up his worldly possessions. It is the attachments to this world that lead one to value them over their fellow man.

12And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, 13And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Ah the good old days when you had to pay with government cash for God's benevolence. The whole world is the Kingdom of Christ, and the heart is his temple. If he tossed the money changers out of the Jewish Temples, do you not think he will turn them out of his Kingdom?

Watch.

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM

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Do you not pay your rent with money? How about your internet bill? Car insurance?

If what you are saying is true, then have you not accepted the mark?

In my belief, like others have mentioned, it has to be a conscious decision. In the Bible, the ones who take the mark are also forced to worship the beast.

Why would God trick us?

I believe you are good intentioned, but I really think you are wrong on this one.

Originally posted by daryllyn
Do you not pay your rent with money? How about your internet bill? Car insurance?

I have given all that I once possessed away save for a few sets of clothing. I do work here and there for trade and lodging.

Originally posted by daryllyn
If what you are saying is true, then have you not accepted the mark?

I did at one time accept it. I have held jobs that brought in quite a bit of it. I did in fact love the nice things I had, the possessions, the nice job, the fun and entertainment.

Then I woke up.

Originally posted by daryllyn
In my belief, like others have mentioned, it has to be a conscious decision. In the Bible, the ones who take the mark are also forced to worship the beast.

It is a conscious decision. You decide to pursue it. You decide to accept it for your trade. Do you not have faith in God that he will provide what you need without it?

See, you do not have faith in God, you have faith in Money.

Originally posted by daryllyn
Why would God trick us?

God did not trick you. Is there a money tree some where I do not know about? God did not create money. Man did this.

Originally posted by daryllyn
I believe you are good intentioned, but I really think you are wrong on this one.

You are not alone my friend. Many think I am wrong on this one. I may in fact be the only one except those poor souls who do not have money through no fault of their own. That's ok with me. I do not miss those things of the world. I am free and have no attachments but to doing God's will.

I owe no man.

Remember, money IS debt...

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM


I enjoy reading your posts and I can tell you are very loving person, but when I come to a conclusion with no open ends, opposed to an answer that has open ends, definite to me is the way to go. I believe our understanding of the Bible can logically be definite, but not all truths are revealed at once. Of course Revelations wasn't meant to be understood until the end-times, what it was written for, and that is when it should be revealed.


I agree there has been many misunderstandings and predictions. What I'm saying isn't a prediction as much as it is logically definite in my mind.

I explained logically why the mark couldn't be spiritual.

"Revelations says in right hand OR the forehead.

It's one OR the other. How can you have wicked actions if it starts from the mind and you only have the mark of the beast on your hand?

Since you can't have both, you'll either be wicked minded but with no wicked actions from your hand, or not wicked at all. "

This makes sense as a "mark" is physical. Since the mark si physical, the only thing it can be is for a global, cash-less money system.

Like I said, there will only be one NWO. Someone can't take over a world that is a one world. So now we see the plan for this NWO and it's ultimate goal is to put a RFID chip in EVERYBODY. This is from the words of the Rockafellers themselves from that guy who spoke to one of them in the link I posted. There will only be ONE cashless money system. Will they put the RFID chips in some people, and then come out with a better one and have the other people get theres taken out? They got it down to what they wanted it to be, about the size of a grain of rice. All it needs to do is store information and be able to send/recieve information. Nothing else is needed. They've already accomplished this years ago.

A couple years ago I went back and forth to understand what it was about, I came to the same conclusion then as I am now, but now it is even stronger as we can see the ultimate plan.






Now come to think about it....you ever wonder why Obama is the first president to publicly mock the Bible?

www.youtube.com...

I mean, he's the first "black" president we've had, and he all of a sudden out of no where he mocks the Bible. Yet you'll hear him praise Islam. There's video's of that on youtube.

Anyways...

My point is that all these things are happening around the same time, I never really thought about this, could it be that Obama is mocking the Bible in fear of the prophecy in Revelation concerning the mark of the beast?

Think about it...This truly is the only thing that will prevent us from getting the chip. The Bible.

the people receiving the mark of the beast in their right hand or forehead would at one time endure severe pains from the mark. My theory is the RFID chip is indeed the mark. RFID's are fitted with a battery. A large enough EMP could in theory blow the battery up, releasing the acid it contains into the bloodstream. This would hurt like a b***h.

What could possibly create an EMP powerfull enough on a global scale? A solar CME

I've always disagreed with the RFID chip theory, for the reasons explained in my own thread on the Mark;

The mark of the Beast

My starting point was what Revelation tells us about the spiritual effect of the mark.

The next time we meet the people who were "given the Mark" is in ch14 v10, when we're told that they must "drink the wine of God's wrath". In other words, God now identifies them as his enemies.

That follows naturally from the fact that taking the Mark involves choosing loyalty to the Beast, the enemy of God. So taking the Mark is a decision against God, which God recognises as such.

But if the Mark is such a reliable indicator of loyalty that it can be decisive even in the eyes of God, there are certain conditions which it must be able to meet;

The condition of voluntary loyalty (it can't be forced on you). Because if it could be imposed by physical force, then it would not be a genuine test of your loyalty.

The condition of conscious loyalty (you must be aware of what you're doing). Because if it could be imposed by any kind of deception or trickery, then it would not be a genuine test of your loyalty.

From that point I moved on to a definition of the "Mark of the Beast";

I've established that the Mark is a sign of loyalty to the Beast.
I've established that it must represent a voluntary and conscious loyalty (since, otherwise, it would not incur the wrath of God).
Most interpretations of the two Beasts will apply the term "antichrist" to one of them (the second one, as far as I'm concerned), and the meaning of the word "antichrist" is "someone who claims to be the returned Christ".
Therefore we can add that the meaning of the Mark would have to include the recognition of those claims.

Putting those components together;
The Mark of the Beast is that symbol or set of symbols which indicates a voluntary and conscious loyalty to the Beast and/or that world-leader openly claiming to be the returned Christ

My argument is that the "chip" doesn't match up to those definitions.
If it's imposed upon you by force, then it doesn't match the condition of "voluntary loyalty"
If it's imposed upon you by deception, then it doesn't match the condition of "conscious loyalty".
In other words, if nobody tells you that the chip shows your loyalty to "our great leader, the visible Christ", then it is NOT a sign of loyalty to the Beast, and therefore NOT the "mark of the Beast"; it is NOT a sign of conscious disloyalty towards God, and therefore NOT a reason for God to condemn you to the fires mentioned in ch14.

I think many people are led astray by the thought that the "mark" is about "controlling who buys and sells".
But what we've got in the text of Revelation ch13 is a desciption of a boycott, a way of punishing a specific group of people.
It's a means to an end, not an end in itself.

Based on my previous definition, I'm going to offer this two-step method of identifying the Mark;
Step 1; Look around the world, and identify a world-leader openly claiming to be the returned Christ. That is the Beast, or one of them.
Step 2; Note what symbol he is using to identify those who accept his claim. That is the Mark.
If the steps are carried out in that order, and the second step is not even attempted until the first step has been successfully completed, then the method is infallible.

Index of Revelation threads

Originally posted by SUICIDEHK45
reply to post by MMPI2

 

Really that would be awesome! Just imagine, walking up to the gas station counter to pay for something, whipping out your nuts and saying "scan this!!"

LOL I about fell out of my chair and thanks for making me laugh so early in the morning.

Originally posted by Techyo
Think about it...This truly is the only thing that will prevent us from getting the chip. The Bible.

I really do not get into prophecy too much my friend. I read them and if something jumps out, then I give it thought. So, I am not an expert on Revelations.

I am not a Christian either. I have said that often enough, but there are so many threads it is easy to see new faces that I had not encountered before. I am simply a follower of Christ. I believe what he said, that we are all God's children, I believe he is the way in that he showed the way God's children should act to one another, I believe he is the truth in that he revealed the Kingdom of Heaven to all as a possibility for mankind if we walk in his way, I believe he is the light - the one who showed the world how to love one another.

I do not believe his followers understood what his message was, and neither did Christ. Even the last night he was with them he pointed this fact out just as he pointed it out to Pilate during his trial.

Even to this day, I do not believe the majority of his followers understand his message. If they did, seeing how they dominate the world in population, we would have a cashless society where all are cared for and loved, and have come to know Christ's truth, not by force, but by the love in everyone's hearts.

Believing that RFID chip is the mark of the beast is only a defence mechanism to avoid the fact that you are already sporting it. If you cannot look at the suffering in the world caused by the iniquity of money, government, and religion, if you cannot see the control this "tool" has over your life and those you love, if you cannot see that it is the mark of the Beast and the Beast is the System we have allowed to be built up around us, do not worry. You will see soon enough.

There has been a one world Government since the generation after Christ. The conquering of the Americas was the final frontier. We are all a part of it and all prophecy has been fulfilled pertaining to it.

Didn't the beast suffer a mortal head wound? That would be the fall of the Roman Empire.
Didn't the beast survive this head wound? It rose again as the Catholic Church formed by order of Roman Emperor Constantine.

Who owns everything now?

Rome

The above link isn't 100% accurate, but it does demonstrate who owns the world, and how (Money, Deeds, Governments)

Back to the RFID chip:

Those who are implementing the chip know about the Bible prophecy as well. If it is obvious to you, don't you think it is obvious to them as well? Wouldn't it make more sense that it refers to something people are not expecting or would not expect?

Who would have thought at the time of Christ that you would need money for your mere survival?

Everything you do revolves around money. EVERYTHING.

Is this how God made the world?

With Love,

Your Brother

Im going to have to side with Iam on this one. I have always felt this.

We know that truth bends itself to reality based on relevance, because of thought. We oft forget as a society (especially when it comes to religion) is that the people that wrote ANY of the sacred texts are not the same people of today. The people of today think and speak differently, that is a fact. The people of past, simply wrote how things where perceived by them.

There are two sides to every single word in every sentence. Any english major gets this pounded into their head throughout life. There is the literal definition of the word. Then there is the cognitive. If you do not know of what I speak, please research "cognitive linguistics."

So when reading anything, be it the Bible, the newspaper, the Internet, the Torah, ect., you need to figure out the cognitive point that the author was trying to get across, not just the litteral meaning of the words. Furthermore, people of old are know to have eloquent speaking styles finding similarities to poetry, unlike our prose inspired society of today.

Side note, off topic, it is because of the lack of consideration for the cognitive side of language is the reason why people think Charlie sheen is crazy right now. Me? I just think hes arrogant and self centered.