Not just a light in the sky, this is a clear video of a craft!

Originally posted by the seeker_713g
Just out of curiosity, how many posters on this thread have actually had a sighting? Of any kind???
seeker

I have, when I was quite young.

But I know a tale wont sell a post, so I've never bothered.... but it is why I have an intense interest in the subject.

And is also why I get so effin pissed at obvious hoaxes...

Originally posted by kinda kurious
You all can scream fake all you'd like but without any research to back your claims it's just hot air. If you are simply playing the clip on YOU TUBE. There is NO WAY you can assess the quality or see anomalies in realtime. Please try presenting evidence of your claims rather than merely scream fake without basis for your claim.

I agree with you 100% KK. Well 99% - I have to take exception with one thing, there is more than the quality of the compositing that is a problem.

This video looks like it was created prior to seeing anything - it's generic "I will make footage to edit later" footage.

The guy spent a few good hours on it, for sure.. even apparently getting help from others (release of the dog) - and the compositing is good, but certainly not the best.

But your way of thinking is how everyone should - fake + no reasoning = invalid claim.

Originally posted by OptimisticPessimist
Thank You for the post.

I'm laughing at how some people only need the duation of a YT clip to determine fact from fiction! The debunkery's getting poor!
So...any clip under, what - 30 seconds? A minute? What classifies as a 'genuine sighting clip length'?

At least as long as it takes for someone to certify and collaborate the veracity of it with others - that's how long.

Any shorter than that - even a 2 hour youtube clip - is meh...

All I hear is fake,fake,fake come on guys prove its fake have yet to see any proof.
debunkers gettin lazy these days.
I would prolly be speechless to, in a field just you and your dog and what looks to be an unkown silent craft, what do you want a play by play or him to start screaming at it, real life doesnt work that way.
and now the trees are fake too I give up

oh yea check this out some kind of trail left behind
if a fake its a damn good one but Im not so sure
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Originally posted by paradiselost333
All I hear is fake,fake,fake come on guys prove its fake have yet to see any proof.

debunkers gettin lazy these days.
I would prolly be speechless to, in a field just you and your dog and what looks to be an unkown silent craft, what do you want a play by play or him to start screaming at it, real life doesnt work that way.
and now the trees are fake too

I give up

Okay, here is my proof that it's fake.

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There.. In there is 100% conclusive evidence. What? You cannot see it? Why... how am I to know that you cannot prove a negative?

Look closer? Surely you see it now?

It's right there in front of you...

reply to post by badw0lf


exactly
its right in front of you
I didnt say either way but fact is I don't know and Im not scared to admit it.

This looks fake for sure, although I am no expert in video analysis. However, what does real look like? Everything is fake according to a large quantity of posters on ATS. Sometimes I wonder if the real thing is ever recorded by a farmer in a field, if it will just be labeled fake/hoax right off the bat, just because it does some very strange and unusual phenomena.. Like vanishing or zipping off at near light speed... I am positive that it will look completely fake to all of us.

I think it will take a massive revealing over every major city being shown live on every network.. Even then there will be doubt as whether or not it is Extraterrestrial. There will be some who swear it is Government black op crafts, some who claim holograms, etc.

I can not wait until something witnessed and recorded by many does appear. As long as it is just recorded by one person and no other witnesses catch it, we are just left to speculate, deny, argue, debate, etc. It will be nice to all be in agreement for once that something is definitely real, if that ever happens...

reply to post by WeRpeons


It's a cool video, bet he fooled a few of his older relatives/slower friends with it, but pretty cool anyway. Also I like that the 'ufo'/saucer/whatever is just chillin in some trees - not really there to spy on anything or probe anybody, just enjoying a nice afternoon in the woods

Originally posted by paradiselost333
oh yea check this out some kind of trail left behind
if a fake its a damn good one but Im not so sure

OK let's say you're the photographer. In the shot you posted, why would you keep filming straight ahead, instead of pointing the camera up when the thing moved up?

The photographer had no reaction at all and made no effort to try to follow the object. Even if you're not good at the technical analysis like KindaKurious, isn't the photographer's lack of reaction a clue to the authenticity?

Whoa ok definitely didn't finish the vid before commenting. The black and white quadruped at the end?? I'd like to see someone debunk THAT.

Here's the kicker, Disney's been preparing us for disclosure for decades: 101 Dalmations, Lady and the Tramp, All Dogs go to Heaven...

ok try my youtube for real UFOS there not the best IQ b/c most are when it's dark and the video from my s90 is not that good. i dont have the cash yet for a HD cam, at least they are real. if any one knows how i can brighten the videos up please tell me the movies are in qwicktime format. for the videos try turning your screen brightness up. the danceing ufo one has two orange ufo's etc thanks enjoy (wont reply to hoax clames or such they are what they are no matter what people may try to say you think there a hoax or fake or a ballon or something thats ok i dont care. www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by StripedBandit
Also, why would he continue to film the area after the "UFO" jumped? I for one would point the camera upwards and try to see it.

yup, you'd think most anyone would reflexively point the camera skyward. Unless of course you were waiting to catch the dog running towards you as an extra added attraction.....

The fact that there is no audible reaction from the camera operator makes me suspicious of its credability.

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Here's a thought, the guy filming this is supposed to be a 75 year old farmer. At 75 your eyes are not as they used to be and your reaction time is even worse! So maybe this farmer didn't even see the thing blink up at almost the speed of light. Maybe he thought it just blinked out? Even in the video, you miss it if you're not paying close attention to it. You only have a small area of view in the view finder and if this thing truly zipped out that quick, I doubt this guy would have been able to react and point the camera skyward. Now I tend to agree that you would think at least he would have panned the camera skyward to search for it after losing sight of it. But, how do we know that this is a complete video clip and not a portion of the clip?

reply to post by Arbitrageur


Well, it could be that the filmer did not see it shoot up, just did see it vanish.

The viewfinder of most camera's are not that superb, and giving the speed of departure, he might did not know it went upwards, he just did see it vanish and looked around at the same spot for a few seconds.

Besides the trees on the left are quite similar as the ones it flies behind.


I did not see any convincing proof of fake yet!


Up till now there is more proof for the believers as for the debunkers.

I think the dog is fake. No dog will run to his master instead of chasing an UFO!

In every case we will never know if it's real or fake even if the videographer come forward.

If he/she says it's real, people will just say it's a lie. And if he/she says it's fake there will always be those who thinks he/she has a gun to the head when stating the truth.

Corroborating witnesses who doesn't know eachother + Pictures or videos from different angles + The event is on the news = Higher possibility of being real.

Originally posted by WeRpeons
reply to post by Arbitrageur

 

Here's a thought, the guy filming this is supposed to be a 75 year old farmer. At 75 your eyes are not as they used to be and your reaction time is even worse! So maybe this farmer didn't even see the thing blink up at almost the speed of light. Maybe he thought it just blinked out? Even in the video, you miss it if you're not paying close attention to it. You only have a small area of view in the view finder and if this thing truly zipped out that quick, I doubt this guy would have been able to react and point the camera skyward. Now I tend to agree that you would think at least he would have panned the camera skyward to search for it after losing sight of it. But, how do we know that this is a complete video clip and not a portion of the clip?

I'd agree with this post.

Plus I had the feeling/sense he was actually looking up after it zipped upwards. If I wasn't so dman terrified that might be my first reaction too, look up with my own eyes to spot the object so I can lift the camera in that direction rathyer than try to find it through a tiny lens in the viewfinder when it could've shot across the sky and disappeared altogether by then.

What's funny is, that Jerusalem vid I kinda figured instantly it was a hoax but this one....not so sure. Looks fake and not like it fits in with the background (like CGI in a B movie) but without having the actual camera/tape and analysing we can't be sure.

If anyone wants to fall onto the side of belief or hoax feel free but I'd rather get to the bottom of this before finding a definitive conclusion.

Originally posted by WeRpeons
reply to post by Arbitrageur

 

Here's a thought, the guy filming this is supposed to be a 75 year old farmer. At 75 your eyes are not as they used to be and your reaction time is even worse! So maybe this farmer didn't even see the thing blink up at almost the speed of light. Maybe he thought it just blinked out?

Even in that case I'd still expect him to be looking for it somewhere. If he didn't see it shoot up, I'd still expect to see some panning in SOME direction, instead of a complete lack of interest in re-acquiring the object.

And as far as I know the photographer could be a 15 year old teenager living in his parents basement, I've seen no evidence the photographer or the video is what the uploader claims and a lot of evidence it's NOT. You folks aren't convinced by the analysis by KindaKurious on page 2?

fake

This was a really good fake, incredible in fact. Amateur CGI is well on it's way on being indistinguishable from the real thing, but what these people lack is insight in human behavior, and acting it out too. When people act surprised, it's easily noticeable. When there is no reaction at all, that's just highly unlikely. And in this case, the guy doesn't gasp or say anything at all. For me it's topped when he doesn't even follow the ufo up in the air, he just keep on filming the ground.