Bill on Texas Secession presented to Texas Legislature

Originally posted by J-in-TX
I haven't quite read all the way through the thread yet, but...

Let me let y'all in on a little secret. The folks in Washington DC are keeping a close eye on what is happening in Austin.




Reply by manta 78. You are right, And they have been watching for a long time. ...not just since Obama was elected.

edit on 3/11/2011 by manta78 because: (no reason given)

reply to post by elfulanozutan0


We're pretty much in agreement, from what I can tell, then. I'll buy the beer after work!

I lived in Texas a long time ago. I never understood
the appeal of the place. I really cannot stand the
arrogance of most Texans.

The last few years your Governor and legislature
has really started sounding like Kim Jong Il.
You find yourself out of the spotlight for a little bit
of time and you start whining like North Korea.

If you want to defect (that is what it really is), hand
over all military hardware in Texas go away.

Originally posted by capgrup
I lived in Texas a long time ago. I never understood
the appeal of the place. I really cannot stand the
arrogance of most Texans.

Nobody can understand it, unless you are a Texan.

That has been proven countless times.

The last few years your Governor and legislature
has really started sounding like Kim Jong Il.

Orly?

Kim Jong Il talks with a slight drawl?

You find yourself out of the spotlight for a little bit
of time and you start whining like North Korea.

It has nothing to do with any spotlight. Reread the particulars of this story. Educate yourself.

If you want to defect (that is what it really is),

I am sooooo proud of you! I mean you know how to find synonyms using thesaurus! Perhaps we really want to breakaway, breakup, disaffiliate, dissent, disunite, divide, exit, part, rift, rupture, create a schism, separation, create a splinter group, or split.

It is all the same thing. They are synonyms.

Did the founding fathers of the united States not secede, or defect from England?

So . . . . what exactly is the issue?

over all military hardware in Texas go away.

WRONG.

Do your research. You can use the previous pages in this thread to start.

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh


In your own unique way you just corroborated capgrup's post. Good Job!!

and as John McCain said .... "All hat no cattle"

That applies to so many Texans as well.

Originally posted by capgrup
I lived in Texas a long time ago. I never understood
the appeal of the place. I really cannot stand the
arrogance of most Texans.

I think it's an inherited sense of "macho-ness" from the state/country's cowboy founders, taming a frontier of grassy plains, fighting off the Mexican army and all of that.

And to this day the heat in Texas is still a pain in the ass to most "Yankees," which to a Texan means anyone outside of Texas.

I gotta love Texas though. It's a modern day champion of sovereignty and gun rights, no matter how many retarded people they execute, and I have to at least support them on those two topics.

That is awesome.

We got people here calling a whole state of people every disparaging, insulting name conceivable, even to the extent of calling for violence against people . . .

and I get a post removed for calling one of these a troll.

Biased much mods?

Lemon Fresh;

Alright, lets talk some little history. As for your
weak attempt too justify your arguement for
seccesion and compare it to the American
Revolution, well you have me on that. There is
no way I could ever argue your logic there.

When I referred to military hardware I was not
referring to personal weapons. I was thinking about
those at Ft. Bliss, Ft. Hood, and all military bases.
Those are the property of the United States of
America that Texas wants no part of. Being honest
Texans I am sure you would give all that back.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being proud
of who you are or where you come from, but
arrogance is something else.

And remember this. Since there was no Texas at
the time, all the Founders came from other places.
Two of your most honored, Sam Houston and
Davy Crockett; came from Tennessee.

People, we should be encoraging Texas to leave the Union.

Texas has been a complete embarassment to the US for far too long now. And if they want to be their own country, they should. We can only hope they take the TEA Party racsts with them.

And if they do leave the Union we can all laugh as they are completely occupied by Mexican drug cartels within a week, if not full on invaded by an enemy country.

A Texas on it's own is a good thing and they should be encouraged.

reply to post by Chindogu


That's just a BS pledge made up a little while back. About the same time the "Star-spangled Banner" was made official. Don't mean a thing.

Originally posted by whatuknoTexas has been a complete embarassment to the US for far too long now. And if they want to be their own country, they should. We can only hope they take the TEA Party racsts with them.

Personally, I would much rather see say NY or Illinois and CA (and all the traditionally blue States right with them) leave the Union - talk about an embarrassment. Running in the red for years; taking away personal freedoms, falling all over themselves to pacify and indulge the minorities and illegals at the expense of the taxpayers.

Look at the red blue paradigm and you can clearly see which States are doing it wrong; which ones have the highest debts, the most crime, the least stable economies, large urban cesspools of humanity who openly embrace all things PC and will sacrifice their freedoms for a few more welfare programs?

Certainly when it would come to who could stand alone it will not be those who expect the government to provide for them - rather those who provide for the government.

reply to post by Golf66

falling all over themselves to pacify and indulge the minorities and illegals at the expense of the taxpayers.

I see, so, you believe that minorities don't pay taxes?

Interesting.

I think you proved my point nicely.

Originally posted by Golf66

Originally posted by whatuknoTexas has been a complete embarassment to the US for far too long now. And if they want to be their own country, they should. We can only hope they take the TEA Party racsts with them.

Personally, I would much rather see say NY or Illinois and CA (and all the traditionally blue States right with them) leave the Union - talk about an embarrassment.

Those states are not begging to break away from the Union. Texas is.
I am sorry that so many of you do not like the United States being made up of the states that it is. That really sucks. If only you were free to just leave the US and get your butt you Somalia right quick and enjoy all the freedom you like. This thread goes from Texas hating the US so much, they are crying to leave to you expressing that you hate the US so much, you wish it were not the US anymore. Me, I like the US.

reply to post by Golf66

Personally, I would much rather see say NY or Illinois and CA (and all the traditionally blue States right with them) leave the Union - talk about an embarrassment. Running in the red for years; taking away personal freedoms, falling all over themselves to pacify and indulge the minorities and illegals at the expense of the taxpayers.

Yeah, let's look at that red/blue paradigm, and throw out those welfare states. Too bad for you those welfare states tend to be republican.

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Doesn't anyone else think that if Texas wants to be its own state, regardless of what we think, they have the right to be independent?

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer[Yeah, let's look at that red/blue paradigm, and throw out those welfare states. Too bad for you those welfare states tend to be republican.

I knew someone would bite and throw up this craptastic stat that has zero relevance to what I said.

I said that the states with the worst deficts - meaining they spend more than they make, were run and controled by democratic legislatures and historically so.

Regardless of the source of States's revanue what maters is that they do not spend more than they make - my house doesn't work that way nor does any successful business. Defict = fail!

States with the highest debts = running in the red which is what I said – I said absolutely zilch about federal tax input versus federal spending in each State…those stats mean nothing; thanks for playing though.

Democratic-Controlled Legislatures Overseeing 17 of the 20 Highest State Budget Deficits Nationwide

How are states going to balance the budget deficits that are mounting across the nation?

For that answer, you'll have to ask the Democrats - as they control both the Senate and House in 17 of the top 20 states with the largest FY 2010 per capita deficits.

The National Conference of State Legislatures recently issued state level budget deficit data.

A Smart Politics analysis finds Democrats are in charge of 35 of the 40 chambers in states with the 20 largest deficits, including control of both the Senate and House in 17 of these 20 states.

Here are some cool numbers on poverty in some big cites just for kicks…

1. Detroit, 33.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 52 years
2. Cleveland, 30.5% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 20 years
3. Buffalo, 30.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 43 years
4. Newark, 26.1% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 102 years
5. Miami, 25.6% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 52 years
6. Fresno, 25.5% in poverty--Republican Mayor for the last 13 years
7. Cincinnati, 25.1% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 29 years
8. Toledo, 24.7% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 20 years
9. El Paso, 24.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 120 years
10. Philadelphia, 24.1% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 57 years

Yep, looks to me like you proved me wrong…red states and Democrat run cities are doing swell….

Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by Golf66

 

falling all over themselves to pacify and indulge the minorities and illegals at the expense of the taxpayers.

I see, so, you believe that minorities don't pay taxes?
Interesting.

I think you proved my point nicely.

edit on 3/13/2011 by whatukno because: (no reason given)

Please tell me where I indicated that I believe minorities pay no taxes? I think you chose to draw that conclusion from my statement because it fits your politics.

I said that the democratic run states fall all over themselves to indulge and pacify minorities at taxpayer expense. They indulge by affording special privileges and benefits for minorities to curry favor at election time. The money for these programs comes from taxpayers…

They pacify minorities by being refuge States and cities by refusing to enforce immigration policy for the same reason - to curry favor at election time. The money for these programs comes from taxpayers…

Are you seriously attempting to claim that there is not a disproportionate distribution of government welfare to minorities and illegal aliens in relation to that distributed to white males? Please...

Originally posted by Sinnthia That really sucks. If only you were free to just leave the US and get your butt you Somalia right quick and enjoy all the freedom you like.

When was the last time you were in Somalia? There is a marked difference between anarchy and freedom - I have been so Somalia I know the difference. I left a few friends there. It is fairly clear you can’t discern the difference by your statement.

The people...of the State of Texas or any State have the right to determine their form of government - for any organization or people to deny or infer that this right somehow does not exist because of a decision made by other people long since dead is immoral and wrong.

People cannot be bound in perpetuity by the decisions of their fathers in an immutable contract for servitude – we have the right to self determination and to state anything less is worse than the anarchy to which you direct others it is tyranny of the highest order. There is a mechanism for this action as declared by the very founders who made the contract and formed the basis for the Union.

In case you are not sure where…

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

You may neither agree with why Texans want to leave nor like the people, their culture, their people, or their casue but the people of Texas will decide that not anyone else – if a Tyrant(s) or Government of Tyrants should oppose them or attempt to deny them that right then they should fight for what they believe.

I happen to believe that a good many nations along with other States and people would support their right to do so and assist them in spirit and deed.

Originally posted by Sinnthia This thread goes from Texas hating the US so much, they are crying to leave to you expressing that you hate the US so much, you wish it were not the US anymore. Me, I like the US.

This is classic; didn't you just get your panties all in a wad because someone drew a conclusion from statements and actions attributed to the all mighty Obama in another thread and said that he disliked America?

You were emphatic that unless a quote or link could be posted in which the Obama used those words it was a falsehood and a lie...

Lol - classic hypocritical behavior; now to use your own BS against you; please post a link or quote in which I stated in the exact words that I hate the US... Also that Texas hated the US...and that I wish that it wasn't the US anymore...

reply to post by Golf66


Your statement is separating minorities from taxpayers, therefore you are suggesting that minorities are somehow inferior to "taxpayers" by simply being minorities.

How else do you want us to take your separation of minorities and taxpayers?