The earth is like two things, an automobile and the human body. It aint rocket surgery.

I am not an expert by any means, but think of the earth as you would a car. A car basically needs oil, water, clean air, fuel and combustion(fire). If a car runs out of oil, the engine runs rough, overheats, and eventually dies. There is not much filling the gaps where the oil used to be and as the plates shift, there is nothing to lubricate them and it is serious rock on rock rubbing together causing all sorts of damage. If the air filter is clogged the engine will not run smooth and causes damage. If there is not the right mix of water and coolant (fresh and salt water) the engine overheats and dies or is severely damaged. If we do not have the right amount of combustion (volcanoes) the engine is severely damaged. And we all know what happens when our cars run out of fuel... The car dies and damage is caused. Now think of the earth as the human body. We pretty much have the exact same elements in our bodies as Earth does. If we do not have the right balance of vitamins and minerals we get sick and could eventually die. How much Zinc, Copper, Gold and tons of other metals and minerals have we taken from the earth. If we do not have the essentials of life like clean water, clean air, and nourishment, we get sick and die. If we do not expel our waste properly (poop and urine), our bodies become toxic and we die. So please, let's treat our earth like an expensive fine luxury automobile and "clean" and "natural" athlete, and help the Earth perform at its best. I do not have the edumucation to back up my thoughts but...IT AINT ROCKET SURGERY!!!. This is my very first real post, so please be gentle. Thanks for reading.

reply to post by 1MrMarc


Is there any evidence that the plates "shift on the oil"???

I never thought oil that we drill out is that deep compared to the thickness of the crust/plates.



And you know what is even more difficult than Rocket Surgery....Brain Science.

reply to post by MindSpin

I have no facts to back that up. I guess the point I was trying to make is that, after the oil is gone what replaces the space where it once was and should be? I would think the plates would need some kind of lube to be able to shift properly. Thanks for bringing that up.

Its not brain science man!

The earth does not need maintenance or a mechanic, or it's windshield cleaned or it's dip stick checked.

to quote Bill O'reily "The tides go in, the tides go out. No missed communication.

if the earth is like a car, then our solar system is an auto body shop and the sun is the mechanic. That would make human civilization the dead bugs on the windshield...

Our human bodies are most likely going to fail because we are made of genetically modified corn, and radiation from 1000+ nuclear tests done over the years will give us all cancer.

reply to post by windword

I understand, but what happens when your car is at 300,000 miles or in Earth's case eons old? The engine breaks down and needs to be rebuilt. Or if we are low in iron or calcium and other minerals our body starts to shut down. If there is nothing we can do to prevent it, we sure aren't doing anything keep it at its natural pace. Thanks again.

reply to post by 1MrMarc


Star for your first post.

I think you have a very strong point - the earth, the human body, and the engine - all require a certain balance in order to perform well.

We have damaged the earth, maybe beyond repair, through greed.

reply to post by BornParadox

I could have not asked for a better reply! Thank you!

Nature has a tendency to create systems that are delicately balanced. Supposedly, crude oil just hangs out underground serving no purpose other than waiting to be discovered. Have I missed a purpose that crude oil serves in nature?

I have always assumed it serves some sort of purpose, and pulling out too much would lead to some sort of problem.

I don't have anything substantial to add, because I am ignorant of most geological science. However, your analogy of needing a proper balance of minerals for both the earth and the body reminds me of a documentary called Dirt - The Movie. I'm actually going to be watching it in about a half hour.

The basic premise is that farming soil has been depleted of many essential nutrients, so the food grown is also deficient in essential nutrients - leading to higher rates of disease. This sounds like something you might want to watch OP.

reply to post by JohnnyTHSeed

That sounds like a good movie. I'll have to check it out. Thanks for the reply.

The real good stuff happen miles and miles under the crust.

If that shut down, then I would worry. As far as removing ore from the the upper layers, I don't see how it could bother the Earth, it just sits there, it's rock. Shale fracking isn't good, but mostly because of ground water contamination, as far as them linking earthquakes to hydrocarbon drilling, they haven't found evidence to raise alarm. However, geothermal drilling has been reported to cause them and in a way that has scared some. I remember reading one article where they had to shut down a plant because of it. And there is another article linked here.

The inevitability of this topic is to end up talking about climate change, and I'm not going there....

Originally posted by 1MrMarc
reply to post by MindSpin

 

I have no facts to back that up. I guess the point I was trying to make is that, after the oil is gone what replaces the space where it once was and should be? I would think the plates would need some kind of lube to be able to shift properly. Thanks for bringing that up.

edit on 3/7/1111 by 1MrMarc because: i didnt spell check...sorry.

I think the current practice is to fill the empty wells with mud, but don't quote me on it (google it instead).

reply to post by boncho


How about the idea that everything has a domino effect?

Like the destruction of the rainforests, and the destruction of species?

Everything is connected.

Originally posted by catwhoknowsplusone
reply to post by boncho

 

How about the idea that everything has a domino effect?

Like the destruction of the rainforests, and the destruction of species?

Everything is connected.

Personal opinion, I would say that until a hundred years ago it would have been near impossible for humans to have much of an impact on the Earth, besides upsetting the Ocean food chain through whaling. As of right now I don't think anyone quite understands the amount of toxic sludge we dump into the ecosystem.

I can see how people can consider the domino effect. Kill off animals, grow more food, cause more desertification, etc.

I think the animal life that has been killed off it probably the most disturbing, those things are really hard to get back (save cloning).

It's a hellstorm when you consider it all. But the main problem that we run into is the solution offends the same people who recognize the problem. And the solution involves having less people using less resources. So you can either be for depopulation or for the environment but in my reasoning you will have to pick one side or the other.

reply to post by boncho


OK,

I choose to save planet earth.

What do I have to do?

I have to keep the population down. That is number one.

Originally posted by catwhoknowsplusone
reply to post by boncho

 

OK,

I choose to save planet earth.

What do I have to do?

I have to keep the population down. That is number one.

Yeah, don't have babies and see if you can sterilise any nation with a weak work force.

That tends to get controversial .

reply to post by boncho


Exactly,

It is time people took a responsible step.

For example - there are so many unloved babies on this planet - and there are so many couples doing IVF.

What is wrong with this picture?

reply to post by MindSpin
I admit I did make a "rookie mistake" by not thoroughly doing my research. I do apologize. After briefly looking up the effects of oil in the earth, I can compare oil to the human pancreas. The oil is there, but the earth doesn't really need it. I was simply trying to make a point that we are not doing right by the earth. I am not a tree hugger by any means because I drive an old car with a V8 and am the occasional litter bug. But we definitely are not contributing to the health of the planet.
Again thank you. I am here to learn and appreciate any feedback or expertise that I get.

Problems solved:

Population problem - eat babies.

Food shortage - eat babies.

The population growth problem tends to fade away as a society becomes stable. The fertility rate in affluent societies has been dropping for decades.

Originally posted by catwhoknowsplusone
reply to post by boncho

 

Exactly,

It is time people took a responsible step.

For example - there are so many unloved babies on this planet - and there are so many couples doing IVF.

What is wrong with this picture?

I completely agree.

Not only that, when did wearing condoms become a religious issue?. It seems like we have been purposely perpetuating a population increase only to realize that it was a bad idea. Which was partly by design, we know from the baby boom where couples were given credit to have children.

Maybe the people in power just wanted to see what it would be like with an extra few billion people on the planet?The good news is that the baby boomer generation is growing older and it will open up a lot of space. The bad news is the transition is going to be terrible with so many people retiring at once.

Population planning has been our strong suit in the past century.