Debunk This.John Titor Time travel machine C204 Patented!

reply to post by ignorant_ape

Ah, Picture 10. Did you notice it seems the instructor is holding the cigar backwards?

Wait a minute, instructor? Training? Maybe they weren't running the unit at full power, which is what I do if I was training someone.

Then, think about what a Laser is. Light Amplification by the Stimulated Emission of Radiation. OMG, it's a quantum mechanical effect, so of course classical physics don't apply. Classical physics also don't apply to time travel as well, so unless you fully understand the machine, and all it's paradoxes, I don't see how you can't allow for further explanations. Perhaps the field extends a certain distance, and perhaps at low power mode, and PERHAPS it's a special field strength testing laser they developed specifically for the device. Maybe that how they tune one, by observing radiation curves of stimulated light. Dunno, not enough specifics. But you cannot say, OH well, fiber optics, fake pic. Think a little deeper please.

Albeit, the pic is grainy as #. The year 2035? Don't they have decent cameras then? Shoot, you can buy a 12 MP camera nowadays that give perfect resolution and detail.

Yes, there are a lot of inconsistencies, yet it's still a ten year old going strong hoax. Think about it, IF a time traveler did come back, how would he present himself? Would they send back an idiot, or a top-notch scientist? Or how about someone in between, a generic soldier style, ooo-rah, here's your mission, go to it. If he said, hey, come for a ride in my machine, just to prove it's real, would you go? How many casual laws can you violate before you create a new time line?

this is so stupid. the name "titor" is so made up. it has no lineage. stuff like this makes me embarrassed

reply to post by tonypazzohome


It's exTermInaTOR to you bub. Or, sigh, the TermInaTOR if ya like. I like Arnold.

reply to post by ignorant_ape

thus the notion that an alleged artificial gravity well created within the confines of a car could deflect light to the degree shown in that image is clearly preposterous

as another poster has already correctly observed - such a gravity well would also deflect the light being reflected of other objects within the car

also it would affect the structural integrity of the car itself , as to deflect light to the degree shown would require grabity thousand of times that experienced on earth

Well that's all good and dandy, however the light is bent outside the car, not inside!

In Titor's own words.
This is a picture taken in the fall of 2035 during my training. It shows my instructor beaming a handheld laser outside the vehicle during operation. The beam is being bent by the gravitational field produced outside the vehicle by the distortion unit. The beam is visible through smoke that is coming from his cigar."

why you ask - the answer is simple - because of the smoke allegedly being blown from a cigar outside the veicle , you cannot selectivly shield

No, the smoke is blown inside the car....

As you know, there are theories where you can approach a singularity without being crushed by gravity. You might want to check out doughnut shaped singularities and read up on Tipler and Kerr.


If your wondering why the smoke is not distorted that is because it's inside the car! The smoke in the car illuminates the laser, and outside the car illuminated by atmosphere, simple as that. There is no gravity well inside the car as you suggest!

I don't know there is thousands of threads about timeline disparities experienced widely by members here, I too have experienced some "Wonky" time inconsistancies. Maybe perhaps, they are experimenting with this tech right now? Under lock and key? I mean at the beginning of any kind of experiment, especially one of this magnitude, mistakes are bound to be made, maybe causing these discrepencies? Just a thought. I am still on the fence about Titor, but I do think that it can't be just swept aside as a "hoax" just yet. I personally would be ecstatic to find it is all true! I really do, because it would just be so cool.

Originally posted by testsavage
us patent office

I'm no physicist, and never mind the genuineness of John Titor story, but that patent application is definitely worth looking into.

While I'm completely lost in 90% of the explanations within it, this one caught my attention as the simplest and most logical explanation of an effect known to anyone with basic knowledge in physics of electrical currents. It's a high school stuff, usually explained with imaginary (and completely magical) magnetic forces carried by virtual photons. This patent gives a much simpler explanation of space "density" being affected by moving electrical charges, which in turn produces attractive or repulsive effect (not a force) without having to invoke any kind of magical magnetic force.

In short - the patent application states that space itself changes in the proximity of moving electrical charge. If anyone can come up with a simpler explanation, I'd be very much interested in hearing it.

Here's the quote:
"[0252] Quantum Gravity and Electromagnetism

[0253] With the above electron model of graviton production the nature of magnetism can be understood from first principles, Furthermore, the presence of a space-time lattice links relativity, and the forces of gravity with the electromagnetic and other forces of Nature. Indeed, evidence for these links may first date back to the 1820's, when Andre Ampere first defined the Amp. The force of attraction between two parallel wires 1 metre apart each carrying 1 Amp in a vacuum was defined as none other than the permeability of free space (2.times.10.sup.-7 N per metre of conductor). Thus conventionally the magnetic field strength around a long straight wire is given as: B=.mu..sub.0I/2.pi.r

[0254] Where I is the current and .mu..sub.0 is the permeability of free space (4.pi..times.10.sup.-7 N A.sup.-2)

[0255] The attraction between two wires both carrying negative charge is, however, counterintuitive as negative charges should repel. A conventional explanation overcomes this by invoking the presence of a magnetic field which is created by the current by the production of virtual photons. Thus we appear to have an explanation for the effects of magnetism which involves virtual photons, however, these photons are not observed. More accurately, according to conventional special relativity the magnetic field is none other than the electric field viewed relativistically.

[0256] A more satisfactory explanation, therefore, lies in the interaction between the electrons and the space time lattice. The moving electrons in the two wires interact with the lattice to produce gravitons; which are in phase when both streams of electrons are traveling in the same direction. The gravitonic waves interact constructively to disperse the space time lattice between the wires and induce an attractive force between the two wires, which produces in effect the permeability of free space. Thus this force results from the vibration of quintessence [note: a building block of space, if I understood correctly] itself."

Interesting. I have one question though, it would seem that once a time machine is built, you would only be able to travel forward, or after some time you could travel back to the time of it's invention, but never prior to it's inception???

Yes, that is the common understanding among all the physicists I've read or heard about. Closed time-like curves (time loops), once formed, can be traversed in either direction but only up to their end points in space-time. In other words, only up to after they were created (backward in time), and only before they end (forward in time)... unless...

... this world is a rotating black hole, in which case this black hole itself is a kind of "natural" time machine, and anyone inside it can actually travel anywhere/anytime within it, from the moment it was created till the moment it ends.

Traveling outside of this black hole is a completely different matter, though.

So wait, he averted Y2K? The main problem was that the programmers used too few bytes to mark the date in software. There's nothing magical he had to do, just tell programmers to use more bytes, problem solved. If he undid the whole thing there would be no reason to panic anyway.

but many things that he predicted have come to pass.IMO the only way to know that he is for real is to contact the patent creator.here is his myspace page.Can ATS setup a interview with him?
www.myspace.com...

WOAH
"#
Heroes
Titor, the self-proclaimed time traveler. Check him out. Weird stuff. "

He knows titor

Good stuff! I have been intrested in the John Titor story for about a year now. Some of his predictions have and haven't happened in our universe. Bicycles are starting to gain more popularity than cars as he said in one of his posts when he was on those other sites in 2000-2001. He says that cheaper more economical forms of transportation becomes popular in his time. Things he talks about are slowly unfolding in our time line in different ways. But because he was talking about the future he was changing things. People began to think differentily after reading his posts and he even says that our time line is 2% different compared to his. But his visit to our time line effected that percentage drasticaly. Our time line is more like 50% to 70% different now after he left.

IMPORTANT UPDATE.......In February of 2001 someone asked John Titor the question, "Do you remember any poetry after 2001 in your past?" He then quoted a few lines of what he could remember from a poem called "A Soldiers Winter". He quoted the following lines:

"The day before it wasn't snowing.

The trees are strangers, leering, disapproving in the ash of winter ..my world, my life, my wandering path.

I pray God's eyes may once again gaze upon me and remind me that I am still His child."

Some people think he was maybe referring to a poem called "A Soldier's Winter" by a man named Larry Cluck, but in fact, he was quoting from another poem called "A Soldiers Winter" that was published on April 6, 2011 by someone named Cicero. John Titor quoted exact lines from this poem. He also said it was written as a letter by a soldier. It was. This poem can be found here: www.familyfriendpoems.com... Here is what is says, directly from the poetry website:

Spiritual Poem about Death
Based on a soldier's letter to his daughter. After the atrocities witnessed at several places Hiroshima, Vietnam, Iraq, it is warning to the future not to allow the current world to continue in it's manner.

A Soldier's Winter
© Cicero

The day before it wasn't snowing.
After amber suns made our Earth now glowing.

The trees are strangers, leering, disapproving
In the ash of winter, are minds are now moving

My world, my life, my wandering path.
It seems not God, but man's own wrath.

I pray God's eyes may us once again,
Gaze upon us at our end.

We will rebuild, we will renew,
From a world of greed and lust that left so few.

Remind me that I am still his child.
And provide us with your mercy mild.


Source: A Soldier's Winter, Spiritual Poems about Death www.familyfriendpoems.com...
Published: 4/6/2011

Originally posted by astheru
IMPORTANT UPDATE.......In February of 2001 someone asked John Titor the question, "Do you remember any poetry after 2001 in your past?" He then quoted a few lines of what he could remember from a poem called "A Soldiers Winter". He quoted the following lines:

"The day before it wasn't snowing.

The trees are strangers, leering, disapproving in the ash of winter ..my world, my life, my wandering path.

I pray God's eyes may once again gaze upon me and remind me that I am still His child."

Some people think he was maybe referring to a poem called "A Soldier's Winter" by a man named Larry Cluck, but in fact, he was quoting from another poem called "A Soldiers Winter" that was published on April 6, 2011 by someone named Cicero. John Titor quoted exact lines from this poem. He also said it was written as a letter by a soldier. It was. This poem can be found here: www.familyfriendpoems.com... Here is what is says, directly from the poetry website:

Spiritual Poem about Death
Based on a soldier's letter to his daughter. After the atrocities witnessed at several places Hiroshima, Vietnam, Iraq, it is warning to the future not to allow the current world to continue in it's manner.

A Soldier's Winter
© Cicero

The day before it wasn't snowing.
After amber suns made our Earth now glowing.

The trees are strangers, leering, disapproving
In the ash of winter, are minds are now moving

My world, my life, my wandering path.
It seems not God, but man's own wrath.

I pray God's eyes may us once again,
Gaze upon us at our end.

We will rebuild, we will renew,
From a world of greed and lust that left so few.

Remind me that I am still his child.
And provide us with your mercy mild.


Source: A Soldier's Winter, Spiritual Poems about Death www.familyfriendpoems.com...
Published: 4/6/2011

this is probably the strongest thing ever said in favour of titor. i must say a true thing indeed.

reply to post by astheru


that poem appears to be written around the " titor quotes "

why would someone alledgedly " quoting a poem " skip lines ????

further - IMHO the poem is ametureish - why is this so noteworthy 35 years later ? [ allegedly ]

sorry - but the titor tail needs a much better prop than this crude poem - which bears halmarks of being written around the quotes

reply to post by ignorant_ape



John Titor clearly said:
"I only (think) I remember the first line but the last one I remember. It has quite a few more lines that I don't remember. It is rumored this was written first as a letter by a soldier."

He did not have the poem in front of him, to read it word for word. He was simply quoting a few lines from memory; this being very obvious, from what he said. Perhaps too the poem could be viewed as "amateurish", as you say; but define exactly what qualifies one to be a poet? Is poetry something more than a form of expression for anyone to use? Also...why would someone wait 11 years later to write the poem, and why would it only be on an unknown poem website? (By the way it was 2001 in our time that John Titor quoted from this poem that was published in 2011.) And.....wouldn't they choose to post it all over the internet to get the attention they've waited so long for?

Uncertainty abounds.....

Interesting development, I'll keep my eyes peeled.

I'm gonna debunk it right here right now. Here are my points.

1) You would think in the year 2036, Titor will have pics in HD.
2) Why didn't he show us the cool gadgets from the future other than the time machine?

/thread

just watch the manga" stein gates" its all about titor cern and much more mind blowing after see this manga all is clear......

Originally posted by testsavage
here for skeptics
www.johntitor.com...
21. Yes, homosexuals are in the army. You tend to look past the individual differences of people when their job is to protect your life.

22. Yes, there are "gay" people in 2036.

Uh, back before Y2K, there were also homosexuals in the army, as was the case for decades.

Titor also gave a list of then "future" NBA champions, which included the Cleveland Cavaliers twice I think. Back then people thought "hey plausible this new Lebron kid is pretty good". I think we all know how many rings LeBron has.

2010
www.guardian.co.uk...
"America's military yesterday began accepting openly gay recruits into its ranks for the first time in its history as the controversial "don't ask, don't tell" policy suffered another serious blow."

edit on 6-3-2011 by testsavage because: (no reason given)

Does China have a manned space program between 2001 and 2036?

I believe they are pretty close to putting a man in orbit. It shouldn't surprise you if they do that soon.

So what? Totally predictable using common sense.

It was amazing though that this time traveler from the future didn't even once mention 9/11/01. Oops? Even in 2036 people, especially time travelers, would be aware of it.

I'd like to put forward some interesting thoughts concerning the validity of John Titor and the materials in question, for the consideration of the ATS group, as follows:

1) Concerning the detail inherent with the photographs, please keep in mind that on John Titor's worldline, there appeared to be what amounted to nuclear war in the United States. He also mentioned that society in the United States had changed over to a more "communal" economy, and as such would necessitate that under those circumstances where water itself was scarce, that a high definition digital camera would not be readily available. There could also have been some manner of electronics distortion for electronics not particularly shielded within the cabin of the vehicle at the time, causing the anomalies in the clarity of the photographs. Keep in mind, high electromagnetic fields would likely cause all manner of havoc on unshielded digital devices, but would likely have little effect on analog devices like analog cameras and film.

2) In reference to whether or not John Titor's predictions came true, I must point out that worldline divergence of even a respectable 1% would make it unlikely by any stretch of the imagination that our future would be anywhere the same as his. There are a majority of factors which alter the events in subtle ways, in turn nullifying the coinciding factors for two worldlines to be identical. There are, however probability anchor points in a timeline which would be better to state than the events leading up to them, as I will point out in the following:

We can state with clearer understanding that there was a Civil War on his timeline, (I believe triggered around 2005) which would have coincided shortly after the second Bush Presidential election on our timeline. It may be that during his timeline, the militias took arms at such time and were less complacent than our own America? The anchor point on the timelines which causes similarity is the critical mass of corruption and deception which in turn causes the people en-mass to rise up into two distinct fighting classes - as John did mention. We see that today with things like Occupy Wall Street, and for likely the same reasons that John's militia timeline fought against - just more militantly than our own from the start.

While protests in the United States such far remain overly peaceful despite police abuse and incarceration, despite widespread corruption, there will likely come a similar breaking point for our own timeline where they will no longer remain peaceful. In this manner, John Titor did predict the circumstances and likely events, even though the timing would not be the same.

3) Y2K was likely a disaster on his own timeline. He admitted to making "changes" or maybe he simply alerted some people to the issue ahead of time, which caused the "widespread panic" but led to a concerted effort to make changes to fix it? Again, just because his worldline had something happen doesn't mean it will on ours in the same way or even on the same times. It simply means they are important events that are likely probability anchors. The future isn't set in stone, but you can come close with probability estimates for divergence models.

4) "If time travel was possible, I'd come back and tell myself it were possible. But since I haven't, it doesn't exist." | That statement alone misses the entire understanding of how time travel works. You're traveling in a linear manner across quantum realities. It's an infinite time/circumstance space whereby there are infinite "you" and the odds of actually meeting the particular you that is reading this now are so close to zero it makes no odds. In order to accomplish that, you'd have to calculate a time accuracy of 0% World Divergence, and even John was talking about 2.5% Divergence. Statistically it would be highly unlikely to get that level of accuracy, and even if in some distant future you *could* you still wouldn't come back to your own timeline because you would be likely to cause serious paradoxes.

5) The likelihood that some guy in Bodunk, USA files a patent for Gravity Distortion, which is also an in-depth paper for John Titor's time travel system is actually pretty high probability. It is likely the person in question does not have any sort of tenure at a University, and secondly even if they did, such a paper would not make it past Peer review entirely because of bias. Simply stated: That sort of physics doesn't necessarily exist yet, and so there is absolutely no way to readily confirm it or disprove it. However, as a filed Patent, it remains in the USPO archives for retrieval anywhere in the future by the public, while an academic review would be discarded before being available to anyone in the public. I'd say the guy was smarter than we give him credit for.

6) Arthur C. Clarke - Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. | 'nuff said

OMG. Just read about john titor on the wiki.
This is an incredible guy.