Eight SAS men in undercover mission are seized in Libya

reply to post by SLAYER69


Thank you, I thought I was gonna need to tell him that but you did instead. Silly Boon

reply to post by nenothtu


In 1986 my dad wore a hat that simply said U.S. 6, Libya 0

reply to post by Oaktree


i had heard about that but i hadnt put 2 and 2 together,it would be so cool if it was them that done it ,becuase it would mean that our media have been telling porkies again and that the Gov knew fine well and lied to us,the uk gov are so far from the real world and reality its very worrying to think about.

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As of right now the SAS along with multiple SF are in Libya. We had SF in Iraq months before the "Official" war started. The good thing about this is it doesn't go public, at least not for a few years. As for having to escort a diplomat....anytime you have someone untrained that you must look after, their is a tremendous risk. We had the same issue with reporters in Iraq.

BBC have been reporting on this all night.
SAS are well trained to look after themselves.
Only the British Gov will know the real story-my thoughts are that they were prob on recon to prepare and report back on whats needed to get Gaddafi.
Lets not forget intelligence on this war has been far less than in the past with the restrictions.
As regards the reports about their capture being a smokescreen for to be a platform for any big scale rescue mission,I cant see that happening as theres too much to lose.
If others try and it fails there will be all hell let loose in House of Commons.
In order for it to be a success it will inevitably mean some big moves.
This is not the Iranian Embassy siege.
The SAS are not known to be going on missions and failing,we have to assume either they were very badly outnumbered or else there was an agenda.
The fact that their capture appears now to be world news has to mean if an agenda was not there to begin with,there has to be one now.

A firefight with the very people you've come to offer your "assistance" to would have been the height of stupidity. The guys are just going to have to sit this one out.

Oh, and next time the director special forces tasks them to babysit a diplomat. Tell him where to go !!

The probably weren't that good since they got caught. They shoulda received training from Osama bin laden if they needed evasion and stealth tactics.

Crazy stuff. Why would they go in with a diplomat right off the get go?

What can you do now though? They have already been "caught" and it has gotten media attention. The way life goes sometimes though. They will be alright though, seems like Britain is covering its basis by preparing for a Rebel win and starting to establish ties with what might become the new regime. You think a "No-Fly Zone" should be established and let the Rebels do their thing? I think they should be allowed to do their thing fly zone or no fly zone. The turn out of this should be very interesting to watch.

Not going to end well.

This scenario just played out in my twisted little mind.
I have no proof, so don't ask!!!

SAS and diplomat are sent in to negotiate with rebels.

Negotiations are to deal with Nato support for rebels, in return for oil companies having larger stake in Libyan oil market.

Rebels future goals, however, involve nationalizing much more of Libya's oil, keeping oil profits for Libyan people.

Rebels say thanks, but no thanks. Now get out.

Diplomat says "Are you sure about that?'
Rebels: "We're sure."
Diplomat: "Positive?"
Rebels: "Positive, get out".

A few seconds later, KABOOM

Diplomat: "Oh look at that! Was that your munitions depot that just blew up?
Were those all your AA cannons?
Don't tell me your RPG's were in there too!
They were? Dang!
Well, now how do you think you'll fare against Ghaddafi?
Seems his weapons depots are all still intact."

Rebels: "Let's talk".

Probably never happens like that in the real world, though.
Forget it, I'm sure the SAS and diplomat were there to simply offer their best wishes,
maybe even a flower arrangement!

Originally posted by Oaktree
This scenario just played out in my twisted little mind.
I have no proof, so don't ask!!!

SAS and diplomat are sent in to negotiate with rebels.

Negotiations are to deal with Nato support for rebels, in return for oil companies having larger stake in Libyan oil market.

Rebels future goals, however, involve nationalizing much more of Libya's oil, keeping oil profits for Libyan people.

Rebels say thanks, but no thanks. Now get out.

Diplomat says "Are you sure about that?'
Rebels: "We're sure."
Diplomat: "Positive?"
Rebels: "Positive, get out".

A few seconds later, KABOOM

Diplomat: "Oh look at that! Was that you munitions depot that just blew up?
Were those all your AA cannons?
Don't tell me your RPG's were in there to!
They were? Dang!
Well, now how do you think you'll fare against Ghaddafi?
Seems his weapons depots are all still intact."

Rebels: "Let's talk".

Probably never happens like that in the real world, though.
Forget it, I'm sure the SAS and diplomat were there to simply offer their best wishes,
maybe even a flower arrangement!

A large weapons cash in Libya just went boom.

Your scenario is good. You are very intriguing.

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You lost me at the oil...

reply to post by SLAYER69

Boondock was close. The U.S. has supported Ghaddafi, but not for 40 years. He came around pretty much after we killed a child of his, if I remember correctly.
How do you feel about that Slayer? We kill his kid, and he comes around.
And now, Israel is offering Ghaddafi help against the rebels.
What side are you on Slayer? The rebels, or Israel and the U.S.?
Just curious.

Originally posted by martin3030
The SAS are not known to be going on missions and failing,we have to assume either they were very badly outnumbered or else there was an agenda.
The fact that their capture appears now to be world news has to mean if an agenda was not there to begin with,there has to be one now.

Being on a diplomatic mission and all that, they might have deemed killing everyone in the vicinity somewhat counter-productive! Embarrassing for the politicians but it looks like the Hereford Gun Club did the right thing. I doubt that there will be any real trouble.

If there wasn't an "agenda" there to begin with then they wouldn't have been there, presumably the idea now is to ensure their safe release and to continue with Plan A.

Libyan opposition leaders to get advice from UK military

There was also a Daily Mail article on the exact same thing, though as you would expect it went something along the lines of "SAS and MI6 goin' into Libya to kick Gaddafi's arse!"

Just to add to my conspiracy theory posted above:

We have eight SAS supposedly caught.
Where were they caught?
Benghazi.

We have a munitions depot destroyed with astonishing force.
Where?
Benghazi.

And now, from the link posted by member sossh

Libyan opposition leaders to get advice from UK military

The foreign secretary, William Hague, has been in telephone contact with General Abdul Fattah Younis Obaidi, the former interior minister, now based in Benghazi, seen as a likely successor to Gaddafi. He was placed in charge of military defences in the city in a sign he is at the helm of the opposition.

The UK government believes the national council in Benghazi is focused on keeping essential services running, but where it can is "now thinking about how they can take the struggle forward to other parts of the country. They are not yet calling themselves a government in waiting, and we have not yet seen a coherent programme,"

Seems Benghazi holds the future to Libya's oil, not that anyone would be interested in that.
Oh wait, also from Sossh's link:

Meanwhile the international development minister Alan Duncan warned the price of crude oil could hit $250 a barrel due to the unrest in the Middle East. That would send the UK price of a litre of petrol to more than £2, he tells the Times.

$250 a barrel?
Right now, at about $104 a barrel, a gallon here is going for $3.59!!!

reply to post by Oaktree

Come on Oak. Tell us what you think!



The funny thing, to me, is all of the old tricks "they" are trying to play won't quite fly in the new world governed by internet news. AKA, "alternative" news. The New World Order is not quite what they had in mind.

Of course, that is my opinion.

Originally posted by Stewie
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

Boondock was close.

Not by a mile...

The U.S. has supported Ghaddafi, but not for 40 years. He came around pretty much after we killed a child of his, if I remember correctly. How do you feel about that Slayer?

Well let's see the first time I heard about the death of his 6 month old daughter was about 48 hours after the attack. I felt bad about it. Then I found out it was all Libyan Lip-flappen BS!
And you believe everything you hear or read?

According to medical staff in the nearby hospital, two dozen people arrived in military uniform and two without uniform. The total Libyan casualties is estimated at 60, including the bombed airbases. However, the regime created a propaganda campaign with varying stories about killed civilians.

For example, the regime's media claimed that Gaddafi's "adopted daughter" had been killed. The name "Hanna" was given to the press. Nobody had ever heard of such daughter. Information about her was also conflicting, for example, her age varied from 12 months to 6 years. Despite absurdity and variations of the stories, the campaign was so successful that a large proportion of the Western press reported the regime's stories as facts.

And now, Israel is offering Ghaddafi help against the rebels.
What side are you on Slayer? The rebels, or Israel and the U.S.?
Just curious.

Yeah they also offered aid to Egypt, Yemen, Syria, Tunisia, Iran, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Oman and Algeria How many do you think will take them up on their offer?


Israel offers to send peackeeping force to Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Syria, Tunisia, Iran, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Algeria

World News: Israel’s government has responded to the humanitarian crisis in Libya by offering to send peacekeeping troops to the area ‘to provide aid to the local population and monitor the ongoing situation.’

The Knesset is currently debating whether to send a preliminary strike force of jets followed up by the Israeli Defence Force through Egypt (depositing a few tank divisions on the way to help the new government in Cairo) to meet up with anti-Gadaffi rebels in Benghazi or to take a more circuitous aid route into Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Bahrain and Oman.

Your point?

Originally posted by Oaktree
No one finds it odd that these men were captured last night, right after a massive explosion that leveled an area the size of three soccer fields, in Benghazi?

No, not at all as the rebels themselves have said it was the result of an accident

Also, the SAS don't get captured, not en masse anyway. You simply cannot capture 8 SAS unless they want to be.

The rebels themselves have said that they were escorting a Diplomat and the only reason they are being held is because they want official recognition of their administration, not back channel communication..

Jeebus..

The SAS team and diplomat are far safer in rebel hands than in the hands of the Beast, if the reports are true and verifiable.

If it had been the other way, falling into the hands of Gaddafi and sons, there may be no mention of the team at all and will be made to 'disappear' in the shifting sands...

The National Libyan Council had not ask for any specific nation's help and they are trying their darnest to ask for help the right way through the UN Council, or any other form of help may be miscontrued and would hurt the rebellion even more.

Applause should be given to Whitehall for at least making that attempt, with both diplomat and the team's courage and concern beyond human measure, as most in the world are still sitting down debating the issue over cups of hot coffee while the rebellion gets decimated.

Most probably the english team would be released to safety and rightfully should, publically, or Gaddafi and sons will only use the excuse of ' saving the diplomat' to attack and murder the rebels.

Instead, the rebels should publically now use the beasts rationale to strike hard into the heart of Tripoli - to save the dutch crew held by the beasts there as well saving the nation

reply to post by SLAYER69

My point is you are a tool. Or a fool. Take your pick.
Eat your stars, that is your food. That makes you tick.

You didn't answer my question. Are you on the side of the rebels, or Israel?

You guys are a dime a dozen. You "warriors". Slayer. slain. What is the difference?

I admit, I despise your kind. Real strength doesn't hide behind the latest weaponry, pretending to be saving the world while destroying it. Real strength is doing simple deeds day after day hoping for a better life for ones family. With a pick, a shovel, a hammer, or a pen.
This is a common theme worldwide among the underclass of the working poor.
I will always take the side of the common man, not the common warrior, Slayer. You are not doing any good. If you care to tell me about the good you do, I will lend you an ear.
I care nothing for the stars, just the truth.