Anti-Gravity & Zero Point Energy Device Confirmed by Measurements in Morningstar Energy Box

Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

I suppose Bearden told you all that....


Second...

When I was around two, growing up with the idea of a peaceful application of all technologies, my father tried to see if his gifted daughter could pronounce “electrogravitics.” I remember him beaming when I spoke it rather well for only twenty two months. He explained that it meant we could build cars that floated, personal backpacks like the ones that showed up on the Jetsons a few years later, and even houses that floated in the sky.

He did try to explain principles that I was yet to have full ability to grasp – he was an electrical engineer working for, at the time, one of the top aerospace companies doing research into electrogravitics, and very excited about his work – so I didn’t catch all the details, but I did catch on about what it meant we could do on this planet of ours, and that there would be energy and abundance for all. And that would mean liberty and justice…and peace on Earth…good will to all Beings.

(I might point out that, as the name, “electrogravitics,” suggests, there is not only a link between electromagnetism and gravity, but that in the 1950’s some of Us understood this quite well. Yet I remember a Nova show I watched a few years back with…I think it was Michio Kaku…saying that we are still struggling to find that link between gravity and electromagnetism. In fact, it is stressed in our media that Einstein spent the last many years of his life looking for a connection. I wonder who chooses to maintain this idea…)

Then, not long after my father’s excitement and eagerness to teach me began, he came home one night and woke me up to tell me it was secret and we couldn’t talk about it to anyone. “Just forget about it, ok?” “But why?” I asked. I wanted to know who got to have the knowledge and who didn’t, and why.

“They want it secret for now,” he ended with, “so just pretend you don’t know anything about it.” Oh, sure, “The Government” was mentioned along with Dad’s company, but “They” were most often mentioned.

“Sure, Daddy,” or something on that order was my reply.

And though these specific memories eluded me for over fifty years, the vision of the future he gave me stayed on. I just had such faith in Humanity that the issues “They” saw in “making it secret” would be overcome. I did forget, and yet, when anything I came across suggested free energy, I was willing to investigate. I knew without understanding the basis of my certainty that such energy existed. Of course, having recently recalled these memories, one can see why I carried these certainties.

I wrote that, and you can find the rest here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

No, Bearden did not tell Me. As I said... I KNOW that electrogravitics existed in the 1950's, and that it went into black ops.

reply to post by Amaterasu


You don't know squat. You think/believe in lots. Please write out some Maxwell equations for me.


Do what this guy did and go through Maxwell's treatise and post the results for us. Explain your position on quaternions without rehashing what Bearden says verbatim. Show you calculations so we know what you are talking about...

I wrote that, and you can find the rest here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

You can't go one thread without plugging your written work can you?

I KNOW that electrogravitics existed in the 1950's, and that it went into black ops.

You know? Because someone told you a bedtime story?


You also claim suppression and the like, etc. etc.

If you have this "forbidden knowledge" that is being "suppressed by TPTB" why haven't they just done away with you then...? Hmmm?

You do realize parents eventually drop the whole Santa Clause deal with their kids when they start getting older right?

Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

You don't know squat. You think/believe in lots. Please write out some Maxwell equations for me.

I believe it is YOU who don't know. YOU weren't there, now were You? *I* am not a mathematician, but I know it's not just Bearden who points out the truncation of Maxwell's quaternions:

www.valdostamuseum.org...

Maxwell's Quaternions were thrown away from Electromagnetism by Josiah Willard Gibbs at Yale and Oliver Heaviside in England. As Saul-Paul Sirag quotes from the biography, Sir William Rowan Hamilton, by Thomas L. Hankins, Johns Hopkins Press, 1980, pp. 316 - 319:

(It's "Gibbs," not "Briggs" - My error. I suck with names.)

www.enterprisemission.com...

In a tragedy for science (if not for society in general) whose outlines we are only now beginning to appreciate, after Maxwell's death, two other 19th Century "mathematical physicists" -- Oliver Heaviside and William Gibbs -- "streamlined" Maxwell's original equations down to four simple (if woefully incomplete!) expressions. Because Heaviside openly felt the quaternions were "an abomination" -- never fully understanding the linkage between the critical scalar and vector components in Maxwell's use of them to describe the potentials of empty space ("apples and oranges," he termed them) -- he eliminated over 200 quaternions from Maxwell's original theory in his attempted "simplification."

I wrote that, and you can find the rest here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

You can't go one thread without plugging your written work can you?

Discuss the content, not the method of delivery.

I KNOW that electrogravitics existed in the 1950's, and that it went into black ops.

You know? Because someone told you a bedtime story?

No. Because MY FATHER was an aerospace electrical engineer in the 1950's and He tried to teach me electrogravitics (months and months on end) until They told Him it was secret - at which point He came home and woke Me up to tell me "They" want it secret "for now."

You also claim suppression and the like, etc. etc.

If you have this "forbidden knowledge" that is being "suppressed by TPTB" why haven't they just done away with you then...? Hmmm?

Because I have not been a threat? I guess. Perhaps You should ask around. You have as much data available to answer that as do I.

You do realize parents eventually drop the whole Santa Clause deal with their kids when they start getting older right?

WTF? It's a far cry from Santa Claus to being taught (as much as a toddler can be taught) a science by a very excited father who described what the science meant: Cars, houses and cities floating, with plenty of energy for everyOne. But if YOU want to see it as "Santa Clause syndrome" be My guest, bonch. It may reflect on you, however. Just sayin'.

Have a nice life.

reply to post by Amaterasu

WTF? It's a far cry from Santa Claus to being taught (as much as a toddler can be taught) a science by a very excited father who described what the science meant: Cars, houses and cities floating, with plenty of energy for everyOne.

I really don't see a difference....







What were you taught exactly, unless you have a flying car in your garage that runs off a flux capacitor you weren't really taught anything were you? You were entertained....

reply to post by boncho


Wow, bonch. You are saying My personal experience, backed up with documentation of the fact that electrogravitics existed and was being worked on in the 1950's by, amongst a number, the company My father worked for - That My experience in being taught this and what I remember is fantasy?

Uh, Darling. Either You have a vested interest here or it is You that can't tell the difference between fantasy and reality.

That picture is from Podkletnov's version of T. Brown's version of John Searl's SEG, it was placed on 3 load cells to measure it's weight, had an electric motor with disc brake underneath.
It was a recreation of Searle's device, it (reportedly) went into a self-accelerated mode, lost weight (30-40%) and created 'cold zones' around the device.
I have been studying all of these for years, so i will just give you a quick run-down on them.
SEARL is an eccentric englishman who (reportedly) made antigravity discs as far back as 1960
His theory is awe inspiring to say the least, despite the fact that many think he's a con man & a crackpot, he certainly is eccentric, but then so were all the great inventors, so we cannot hold it against him.
However, the only available video is of a single ring SEG, surrounded by suspicious-looking coils, which looks very much like a simple pulse motor scam a'la STEORN
However, Podkletnov & his team DID get results, from something very similar to the SEG.
Other research also shows a plain magnet/rotation/time/gravity connection, i have posted this countless times on ATS (see left) T. Brown made several magnetic/electric motors, but i have very little to go on. Steorn have what appears to be an overunity motor, but my research shows there is no conclusive proof, & they made some very incoherent explanations as to how it worked, they also stole some ideas (like the coils) from Thane C. Hein, who broke Lenz's law by eliminating back EMF.
I cannot vouch for Searl, Steorn, or these guys. The fact that they have what appears to be a photo of Podkletnov's lab doesn't mean jack doodle.
What we appear to have here is a mix of real working technology & some very clever fakes, i have devoted enough time to these things to be able to know the difference, feel free to U2U me for specific info.
As for ZPE, yes it exists, i posted on it ages ago, it's the only thread i have ever started,look to the left under the avatar.

reply to post by Amaterasu

might point out that, as the name, “electrogravitics,” suggests, there is not only a link between electromagnetism and gravity, but that in the 1950’s some of Us understood this quite well. Yet I remember a Nova show I watched a few years back with…I think it was Michio Kaku…saying that we are still struggling to find that link between gravity and electromagnetism. In fact, it is stressed in our media that Einstein spent the last many years of his life looking for a connection. I wonder who chooses to maintain this idea…)

The link is rotation,angular momentum.
Pretty obvious realy, i can't see why they all missed it

reply to post by samkent


You are right about the site, but not about ZPE.
Just because you can't measure it, doesn't mean it's not there........

reply to post by XtraTL

So instead of looking for devices that do violate the laws of physics, it makes the most sense to explore the forefront, where the laws are not fully understood or known. Unfortunately for your garden variety back yard inventor, this tends to mean they are unlikely to make as much progress as a well funded scientific laboratory run by super smart physics dudes who know what to look for. The latter can afford to construct devices that actually exploit effects which represent physics on the forefront. And they are in a much better position to understand what qualifies and what doesn't, because they've spent years studying the literature to understand what has already been tried.

Er, backyard inventors?
Like Logie Baird (tv) Ian Dunlop (pneumatic tyre), Benz, the Wright brothers, Watt,Curie, Jefferson, Harvey, Faraday, Tesla, Marconi etc etc etc.
Recognise any of these names?
What about the Apple computer, built in a garden shed?
It's precisely because these people decided to think 'outside the box'-away from the mainstream trends & institutions, that they succeeded.

This might apply...
"Vacuum has friction after all"
www.actaphysica.com...

All the link has is this one statement:
"A ball spinning in a vacuum should never slow down, right? Wrong. It turns out quantum effects can create a type of friction in the void."

My guess is that this is a conclusion based on the recently completed Gravity-B space mission.

reply to post by Larryman


I would think that would depend on the direction of spin vis-a-vis the earth, and whether there was a magnetic field present. Eddy currents.

Originally posted by playswithmachines
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

might point out that, as the name, “electrogravitics,” suggests, there is not only a link between electromagnetism and gravity, but that in the 1950’s some of Us understood this quite well. Yet I remember a Nova show I watched a few years back with…I think it was Michio Kaku…saying that we are still struggling to find that link between gravity and electromagnetism. In fact, it is stressed in our media that Einstein spent the last many years of his life looking for a connection. I wonder who chooses to maintain this idea…)

The link is rotation,angular momentum.
Pretty obvious realy, i can't see why they all missed it

Probably because some didn't WANT Us to get it... EG, after all, went into black ops.

reply to post by moebius


Your dripping sarcasm only serves to underscore my point. This is indeed a Science and Technology forum...on a Conspiracy Site. Throughout human history, "advanced technology" has most often been kept secret for weapons and warfare advantage. The U.S. Government's recent tizzy over getting that helicoptor tail back from Pakistan is a prime example. And need I remind you of the atom bomb? You assume black ops technology, based on advances in science and physics, is not possible. Well, some of us here disagree with you. This forum doesn't need to be renamed, as you smarmily suggest; rather, the participants here need to expand beyond their own confining views so that others' thoughts and expressions here are not demeaned, censored, or belittled. If you sincerely strive to educate, then do so... in a respectful and collegial way.

reply to post by Amaterasu


You better believe its bunk. It takes a facile, intuitive mind capable of penetrative thought to grasp the potential realities that Modern Physics point to. That's where the typical "mainstream" scientist or physicist gets stuck. Einstein himself expressed regret toward the end of his life that his clinging to his own convictions prevented him from expanding in intriguing theoretical directions. The fact is, we do not know what scientific and/or technological advances have been made that may be kept hidden from the public for any number of reasons. And by any number of governments. This includes EM wave technology and weather warfare, and possible advances being made via clandestine, black ops programs, possibly fueled by shadowy government.

reply to post by boncho


That video missed a point, well several points
Maxwell's original quaternions, while being fairly open to interpretation, clearly indicated a multidimensional relationship which linked charge, magnetism, gravity, time etc. It was the single most fundamental work which inspired many others like Einstein, Tesla, Marconi etc.
Tesla was the first person to utilise these formulas & build a transmitter, closely followed by Marconi.
The split came with the definition of what are termed Heaviside & Poynting vectors in determining the amount of energy in a certain space, this energy enters the wire at an angle & electrons respond to it-there's a lot more going on, but i will keep it simple
Lorentz further shredded the formulas by promptly discarding this 'poynting vector' as being 'irrelevant'
More likely, he was pushed for time & wanted to get this paper out, he discarded the parts he could not resolve.
Bearden is right when he states that this is like discounting all the wind that does not strike your sail as being 'irrelevant'. The Poynting vector, & a lot of other factors were, ARE, being ignored
Seeing as Tesla & the others got the first editions, they were spared the re-hashed version & promptly got on with it.............

Originally posted by discl0sur3

Originally posted by CastleMadeOfSand
be foreWARNEDit'sNOTnews.com is not very reputable. I would be more inclined to believe in cold fusion rather than

ZPE at this point in time anyways.

Cold fusion has recently been proven my friend....check out this link:

pesn.com...

Of course, nickel + hydrogen is otherwise known as Nickel-metal hydride battery, and yes it can store quite a bit of energy. And note that the link says that hydrogen gas was injected, which of course can combust.

And "over-unity" production of heat isn't anything new. You can go to Home Depot and buy such an over-unity device yourself, ask the HVAC department about "heat pumps". Well, the delta T was a "whopping" 5 degrees C. The smaller the delta-T the bigger an 'over-unity heatpump you can make.

Obviously I'd love this to be true, but for something this extraordinary I require

a) excellent nuclear measurements. With a supposed 15 kilowatts SOMETHING has to be lighting up like crazy.

b) clear "physical" proof of power---not just heat---production. Delta T matters. Crank up the delta T and have it run itself without refueling. There is no other substitute.