Exclusive: NASA Scientist Claims Evidence of Alien Life on Meteorite

Since a meteorite falling to earth burns of 80-90% of it's outer surface leaving only a small rock from the core... how do these microbes get that deep into a rock to be able to leave a trace after loosing all that surface material?

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Originally posted by dainoyfb
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Pay attention when reading my post. I never said anything about the microbes being alive. Then don't be so derogatory, Deal?

Stay cool dainoyfb, no offense meant.
Appologies if you took it that way.

Omma

Originally posted by zorgon
Since a meteorite falling to earth burns of 80-90% of it's outer surface leaving only a small rock from the core... how do these microbes get that deep into a rock to be able to leave a trace after loosing all that surface material?

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ummm, it's a FOSSIL!!! how do we find dino fossils millions of years old deep in rocks and sediment??? lets assume for a moment these were blasted off mars or wherever. they could of lived on or near the surface area millions of years ago, then were covered and compacted by ions of sediment. even though thier exterior burns off I don't see how that neccesarily means the core remnants have to be destroyed.

Originally posted by zorgon
Since a meteorite falling to earth burns of 80-90% of it's outer surface leaving only a small rock from the core... how do these microbes get that deep into a rock to be able to leave a trace after loosing all that surface material?

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I think you need to backup that claim of 80-90% of burnup.

The process is stated as being ablative, yes, But I don't think by that much.

If it was a big rock and now a tiny one...

"how do these microbes get that deep into a rock to be able to leave a trace after loosing all that surface material?"

Very very old material.
Millions of years old.
Fossils

That's what makes this new and interesting.

A first step into a new field called "Extraterrestrial Paleontology" without even leaving Earth.

Hands-up, I'm perhaps one of the biggest de-bunkers around, but this story is floating my boat in a positive way.

Should be the #1 topic for discussion on ATS at the moment in my view.

This is not yet another shaky-cam 'RAW' video of an 'orb' in someone's bathroom mirror.
Real meat to bite into here.

ATS should be all over this one.

Okay so these bacteria lie around on Mars... get buried and fossilized... then a huge chunk of this rock lies around waiting for an impact powerful enough to toss this rock off the surface of Mars, give it enough energy for it to escape Martian gravity and reach escape velocity... line up a trajectory to Earth... fall down in the Antarctic and lie around on top of the ice for us to find...

I might buy that awesome set of circumstances IF NASA 'scientists' (who have been wrong a lot of times recently) could PROVE to me these meteorites actually came from Mars So far they only think they they did.

Besides they did this already years ago with the other bugs they found in that other Martian meteorite.

alh84001

The theory holds that ALH 84001 was shocked and broken by one or more meteorite impacts on the surface of Mars some 3.9 to 4.0 billion years ago,[Need quotation to verify] but remained on the planet. It was later blasted off from the surface in a separate impact about 15 million years ago and impacted Earth roughly 13,000 years ago. These dates were established by a variety of radiometric dating techniques, including samarium-neodymium (Sm-Nd), rubidium-strontium (Rb-Sr), potassium-argon (K-Ar), and carbon-14.[4][5] It is hypothesized that ALH 84001 originated from a time period during which liquid water may have existed on Mars.[6] Other meteorites that have potential biological markings have generated less interest because they do not originate from a "wet" Mars. ALH 84001 is the only meteorite collected from such a time period.[6]

en.wikipedia.org...

So HOW do they know these actually come from Mars?

NASA found Arsenic based life forms in Mono lake... only later it was found the experiment was not done properly..

A NASA scientist saw liquid water on a photo from Mars... nut internet bloggers pointed out that was not posible as the area in the photo was on a hill.

I think I will wait a few weeks... see how NASA flubbed this one...

So they say it looks like a microbe from Earth? Hmmmm
This rock has been lying on Earth for how long now before they found it? Hmmmmm

Originally posted by zorgon
Since a meteorite falling to earth burns of 80-90% of it's outer surface leaving only a small rock from the core... how do these microbes get that deep into a rock to be able to leave a trace after loosing all that surface material?

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This question essentially is asking for people to explain to you how rocks are formed.

Layers of sediment fall in around an area which has lifeforms in it, or the remnants of lifeforms. Microscopic, or large. Such as a coral.

The lifeforms fossilize and the sediment and fossils become rock under pressure. The fossils can be throughout the sample.

The outer layer is not the only point where fossils can be. Fossils are the rock in a very real sense.

So entry would burn off the outer-layers of this pressure created rock - but the rock itself can contain samples throughout.

If I took a chunk of fossiled coral rock with other fossils in its composition, and tossed it from the Space Station with enough force to re-entry, the fossils in the core of the rock that make it through the atmosphere would still be there.

My nine year old was learning about the rock cycle this week. You can too.

Originally posted by Aeons
My nine year old was learning about the rock cycle this week. You can too.

NICE! But I know all about how rocks are formed...


Just need to know how these got off Mars, hit earth and laid around for a very long time. How do they KNOW they came from Mars? They don't... its just a guess... and NASA isn't the most reliable source of accurate info

Seems at least one NASA scientist is not so sure...

Dr. David Marais, an astrobiologist with NASA’s AMES Research Center, says he’s very cautious about jumping onto the bandwagon. These kinds of claims have been made before, he noted -- and found to be false. “It’s an extraordinary claim, and thus I’ll need extraordinary evidence,” Marais said.

www.foxnews.com...

Originally posted by scobro
As i stated on the other thread regarding this,i am aware of the theory that life on this planet may have been helped along via meteorite impacts bringing the necessary components.
A plausible theory in my opinion.

But everyone is saying the microbes are FOSSILS... Fossils cannot generate Panspermia ... can't have it both ways

Idk if anybody has brought this up yet...but has anyone here read "Deception Point" by Dan Brown?

Its plot is kinda like a carbon copy of this story

May or may not be true.
Just scroll all the way to the bottom on this link
From,OMG, MSNBC!!!
cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com...

Originally posted by FOXMULDER147
Here is a link to the actual journal entry.
Fossils of Cyanobacteria in CI1 Carbonaceous Meteorites

Really odd... this isn't NEW... seems he already published a paper on this in 2006

Comets, carbonaceous meteorites, and the origin of the biosphere PDF
R. B. Hoover
Astrobiology Laboratory, NASA/National Space Science and Technology Center, USA
Received: 24 October 2005 – Accepted: 21 November 2005 – Published: 27 January 2006

www.biogeosciences-discuss.net...

Very odd indeed...

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Mars - Pluto - Alpha Centauri...... If it isn't from Here, then its still pretty darn amazing.

wondering though..... nasa has ALWAYS been stingy with us. is this news drop anyway related to the other recent nasa news???? take our collective eyes off thier supposedly "failed" sat-launch?????

Originally posted by Aeons
If it isn't from Here, then its still pretty darn amazing.

No doubt, but I don't trust NASA. If he already published this in 2006, why is it suddenly news today... and why haven't his peers come out to support such a staggering discovery yet?

And microbes don't generate much enthusiasm here... it has to be a green guy with a a probe in hand to get any looks... a hoax youtube video gathers more lichens... errr moss

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by FOXMULDER147
Here is a link to the actual journal entry.
Fossils of Cyanobacteria in CI1 Carbonaceous Meteorites

Really odd... this isn't NEW... seems he already published a paper on this in 2006

Comets, carbonaceous meteorites, and the origin of the biosphere PDF
R. B. Hoover
Astrobiology Laboratory, NASA/National Space Science and Technology Center, USA
Received: 24 October 2005 – Accepted: 21 November 2005 – Published: 27 January 2006

www.biogeosciences-discuss.net...

Very odd indeed...

The peer review process takes many years. He's been working on this for over ten years, I've seen a paper of his on this from 2004. Experts from around the world check out his paper and they will either debunk it or support it. The first commentaries from the experts will be posted tomorrow march 7 through the 10th.

Here's the 2004 article:
www.panspermia.org...

how could life NOT arise from other planets/asteroids. when you get into odds and maths its logic that we CANT be alone... 100 billion stars in the milky way?, 100 billion galaxies ? im sure there loads more, as well with life

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Thanks

He wrote another one too

"Mineralized Remains of Morphotypes of Filamentous Cyanobacteria in Carbonaceous Meteorites"

Can't find a free version yet

Originally posted by zorgon
How do they KNOW they came from Mars? They don't... its just a guess...

C'mon Zorgon, you've already demonstrated your abilities as an accomplished researcher so why are you asking questions you already know the answer to? Yes it's a guess but as you know it's an educated guess, and I know you already know the reasons why they think it's from Mars.

Why are they from Mars?

The conclusive evidence that the SNC meteorites originated on Mars comes from the measurement of gases trapped in one meteorite's interior. The trapped gases match those that Viking measured in the martian atmosphere.

But I think if you press anyone they would admit we're not 100% sure. But it's a pretty good guess with evidence like that. Something else might have the same atmosphere as Mars, but what? There are other planets and moons but we know enough about them to make it unlikely any have a Mars-like atmosphere. There could be a rock from another solar system floating around, but that seems less likely than the Mars possibility.

But everyone is saying the microbes are FOSSILS... Fossils cannot generate Panspermia ... can't have it both ways

Good point, to an extent. A fossil surviving atmospheric entry is one thing, a living organism surviving is something else, the latter being much more problematic.

If an asteroid impacting Mars knocked a piece of Mars loose and it found its way to Earth, if there was any life on it, chances are it would have to survive a long time before striking Earth.

Most martian meteorites are 1.3 billion years old or less...The meteorites spent several million years in space before landing at various sites on Earth.

So if the atmospheric entry didn't kill the lifeform, just being in space that long exposed to radiation might kill it. So the Panspermia theory has some problems, it requires some very unlikely events to occur.

The only answer i have to that is, the same answer we use to explain the likelihood of life elsewhere, it's a numbers game. Given large enough numbers of events, even extremely unlikely events are nearly certain to happen. There are thought to me many, many rocks ejected from impacts onto Mars, more further in the past. If there were enough of them, and if there was life on Mars, perhaps one larger rock did get propelled toward Earth so it struck relatively quickly, before the vacuum or radiation had a chance to kill it, and perhaps the rock was large enough so that the organism survived inside even though molten rock temperatures occurred on the exterior, as the exterior of the rock ablated away.

An analogy would be getting dealt a royal flush. A very unlikely event if you're only dealt a few hands. But if you're dealt a million hands, the odds of getting a Royal flush are pretty good since the odds are 649739 to 1. That's how I see panspermia theory, it seems to have royal flush like odds of any one rock successfully bringing life from Mars to Earth. But chances are, there have been many of them, perhaps more when the Solar system was younger, and Mars may have had abundant liquid water and an atmosphere at the time.

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At one time , the Theory of Transpanspermia was Laughed at by most Scientists . No More it seems........Ahem .

Panspermia may seem very improbable, but think about the case of the strep bacteria found inside the camera of the Surveyor 3 that was retrieved during one of the Apollo missions. The bacteria had survived on the moon for three years, so it is possible that organisms could just shut down, go into a sort of hibernation, until there are more favorable conditions (aka they crash land on a planet like Earth, for example).