Judge to Prez: You Have 1 Week to Save Obamacare!: (that's what you get for blowing off a Judge!)

reply to post by Mr_skepticc


Yes. Well stated.

If anything, Obama makes the case of a Voter "Re-Do" option. It is needed. Everyone makes mistakes-we shouldn't have to be tied to this one if a large majority can do a recall vote.

Why should politicians be above reproach?

It still blows my mind that the Secret Service can't and/or won't make arrest of people they see violating the law in their presence and/or knowledge. At the least provide intel/info to arresting authorities.

So, if they were to see the Pres smoking a joint (not that he would do that-just saying) etc, arrest. Keep them honest-more.
(which reminds me of a funny/interesting picture of Obama I saw-I won't put it up as not to offend or violate anything. Google: Images of obama smoking a joint

Originally posted by Flatfish
No one has ruled that the requirement to carry auto insurance to be unconstitutional, why is that? Some would say that it's because there is no requirement to own an automobile and I agree with that argument except for one little catch. People can't opt out of owning a body that will, at some point, require health care.

Someone is still actually posting this BS analogy that tries to equate having to purchase car insurance to drive a car - a choice no one has to make - with mandatory health insurance - a choice no one can refuse? Plus, car insurance is mandated by state laws not federal.

Come on. This was debunked long ago.

And there's also "one little catch" with your argument.

Whatever did the human race do to survive for perhaps millions of years before socialism came along to save us all?

Originally posted by ldyserenity

Originally posted by adam76
i am really getting tired of people calling the health care bill Obamacare. people like that are the reason why health care system is so messed up. what is that scares people about universal health care for all or medicare for all. well i guess if you listen to the right wing of this country they have all their ignorant answers like "death panels" or some stupid reason. yes us american will have to pay for it but that is better then paying for private health care that all is about profit and dividends for their investors on wall street, but in the long run the price of heath care will go down it's ridiculous that we live in such a rich country a middle class man like me, if i get sick with cancer or some other sickness even with insurance i would go bankrupt and would be un-able to pay the huge doctor bills i would produce. to me it's selfishness in this country when peaple go " i got my healthcare insurance screw you if you don't have any it's probably your fault you did'nt work hard enough".

This "Obamacare" is not nationalized nor universal health they are going to force us to BUY Insurance Even if we cannot afford to scrape our A$$ off the ground, or you will be fined. This is in Essence, MAKING A PERSON BUY A PRODUCT THAT AT ITS' BEST IS TOTAL BROWN STEAMY PILES OF FECAL MATTER!!!!!

The health "care" debacle otherwise known as "ObamaCare" is all about TOTAL CONTROL, people! How many of you here defending it, have actually read the bill? This "law of the land" that was shoved down our throats does not address tort reform and it DOES include language for RFID chipping!! Not to mention a civilian army!! Can you say SEIU? IRS? www.youtube.com...

To date, over 900 unions and corporations have been granted waivers for "Obamacare". www.defendyourhealthcare.us...Did you know Muslims are also exempt? What's wrong with that scenario? WAKE UP, AMERICA!

Be sure to be watching this thread next week as I will be updating it with what happens.

I say the O Administration doesn't produce anything and will force the judge to do something out of the norm.

Delay, Delay, Dealy is there best plan... ugh

reply to post by adam76


Here you go then .

Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. ( AKA Obama Care )

Judge Roger Vinson ruled on Jan31st that the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act unconstitutional. This ruling was a Declaratory judgment, striking the law down i.e. this does not allow the White House to continue implementing the act. Thus, immediately cease implementing the law. Meaning as of now the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is dead.

During all this, Judge Vinson made it very clear in his initial ruling on January 31st that the law is unconstitutional. Then the Justice department files a motion for clarifying. (to clarify his original ruling), That took 2 and half weeks. This is also a known stall tactic, but a stupid one trying pull that on a Federal Judge. The Judge had written it plain as day on the Declaratory Judgment. So now the Judge wrote the clarifying order in response to the motion. The Whitehouse (Obama) now has 7 days to appeal to the appellate court. This is what happens when you make Federal Judge mad. Obama has some very questionably legal tactics, I’m sure Obama is still trying to implement the law, this is why the 7 day Appellate court time. Thus, it gives no more time to try and Implement the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

The Ruling:
The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is unconstitutional. Forcing Americans to buy health insurance starting beginning in 2014.

After this display of questionably legal tactics by the Justice Department, the Appellate court just might stay the Declaratory judgment, meaning the appeal is dead or the Appellate Court might move to the Supreme Court, which is a long shot right now. It’s hard to overturn a Declaratory Judgment issued by a Federal Judge. That’s like trying to move a mountain. You cannot change certain parts of the Act as some of you would think. You cannot go back and cherry pick it either. This is why the entire Patient Protection and Affordable Care law is Null and Void. No matter how many Judges have ruled the Act constitutional, it only takes one Federal Judge to rule any law unconstitutional. That is the law of the land.

There are better ways for all americans to have heath care, but this is not one of them.

That wont stop him. If he wants it he will just break more laws to get it. He does not care.

Originally posted by R3KR
That wont stop him. If he wants it he will just break more laws to get it. He does not care.

Exactly. If Dubya should have taught this country anything it's that a president in 2011 can do anything he wants.

I have been telling people for a while. This Obamacare thing is a done deal. Mandate and all. I think the legal challenge is a charade to get the idea of challenging it out of the way. It'll go through to the SCOTUS and they'll somehow work it so that they rule it constitutional and then it'll be useless to challenge it in court. That's what I think they're trying to do. They're not really trying to beat it. They're trying to confirm it so the precedent is set in stone and they can do more mandates. Once the SCOTUS says it's constitutional, it'll be basically impossible to have that decision overturned anytime in the near future. By the time there's any significant change in the court, Obamacare will be fully implemented.

And eventually they'll start doing things like penalizing us for being unhealthy. Since someone with high cholesterol or whatever is a burden on their insurance company, they will say that since they can't cancel your policy, they have the right to either force you to lead a healthy lifestyle or fine you for being unhealthy.

And of course, they'll use peer pressure, too. They'll use all the idiots who are just blindly going along and they'll say "All those people who are eating bad food and smoking and drinking and this and that are costing us all! How dare they!"

It sounds like either a bad dream or a bad joke but I'm betting that kind of stuff is right around the corner if Obamacare survives this storm. America is exactly the kind of place where the government (and the corporations) can run your life down to the most microscopic detail with something like this. And they will jump at the chance.

By the way, the left is already trying to intimidate justice Thomas into recusing himself from the case. That could be how they plan to save Obamacare.

Originally posted by sara123123
Holder to the judge: "My people" are not into the rule of law nor your stinkin' whitey constitution.

Obvious bigot is obvious.

reply to post by clay2 baraka


Yes, Mr. Holder is a bigot for providing protection for the illegal actions of some racist Nation of Islam thugs at the voting place in Philadephia. Using the excuse that he won't prosecute "his people" was a rather blatant. But then the Left has nutured a diversity of violent and aggressive bigots.

In the context of this thread, Mr. Holder has a track record of ignoring the constitution's rule of law.

And that is what I has poised earlier in the thread.

What happens next? Who enforce's a Federal Judges decision?

US Marshalls? Especially against the Pres? Who?

Any updates? It's the 10th, and I presume that 1700 today, Florida time, is the filing deadline...

Its been awhile and I have not heard a peep about this. Does that mean that this thread is bunk?
Second line.