Stratospheric Aerosol Geo-engineering aka "Chemtrails" DEBUNK THIS !!!!

reply to post by MathiasAndrew

That is a paper on an the testing of an environmental monitoring program in 2000/2001. It was not about fuel, jet or otherwise.

This test/QA plan provides detailed procedures for a verification test of monitors that continuously indicate the mass or chemical composition of fine particulate matter in ambient air. The verification test will be conducted under the auspices of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) through the Environmental Technology Verification (ETV) program.

www.epa.gov...

Monitoring air quality at a "supersite" in Fresno and a location in Pittsburgh.

Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

 

Here is a sample of the evidence linking the toxic fuel from Battelle to it's use in aviation
Source: 01_tp_fineparticles.pdf

full paper: www.epa.gov...

What's it got to do with aviation??

this is a test plan to check that fine-particle monitors are performs as they should:

This test/QA plan provides detailed procedures for a verification test of monitors that continuously indicate the mass or chemical composition of fine particulate matter in ambient air.

Battalle are the agency running the QA/testing on behalf of the EPA:

The verification test will be coordinated by Battelle, of Columbus, Ohio, which is managing the ETV Advanced Monitoring Systems (AMS) pilot through a cooperative agreement with EPA (CR 826215-01-1). The scope of the AMS pilot covers verification of monitoring technologies for contaminants and natural species in air, water, and soil. In performing the verification test, Battelle will follow the procedures specified in this test/QA plan, and will comply with the data quality requirements in the “Quality Management Plan for the ETV Advanced Monitoring Systems Pilot” (QMP).

Again the information is fascinating, but its relevance to anything in this thread is nil - it is jsut another piece of information spam from you where apparently the presence of "Battalle" in the document proves that chemtrails exist!

Edit: lol - snap with Phage

reply to post by Phage


Where do you think the emissions came from in test? Were they having a BBQ in the backyard ?

What a joke yes it was a test involving fuel. Toxic jet fuel to be precise.

I know you like to see only the parts you want to see. There is no use in me trying to convince any of you that part is clear to me already. You look at the parts of the test that aren't related to what I'm saying and I will just deny your ignorance.

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
reply to post by weedwhacker

 

Second let's start with your claim that Ted Gunderson is a loony tunes, over the hill crackpot

why?

Your level of evidence consists of "I said it so it is true" - so why can't other people use it?

Then there's the "look up - it is obvious" level of evidence you also subscribe to - for which there's a "look at his website and videos - it's obvious he's nuts" that is equally valid.

And if THAT isn't enough then there's all the "facts" on
this page -

-Child molester
-diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic
-Bush crime family terrorist
-Satanist
-CIA Shadow Government Scamster-Crime Syndicate Member
-Gunderson Ran Operation Brownstone, The Blackmail of Congress and Senate with kidnapped Children for sex and children from Orphanages all across America.

and more

So it must be true - right??

Ah! The Gual to the rescue of Mr. Whacker....................................

You seem to be full of supposition as well.............please provide links for your assertions??

Parker

Originally posted by Komodo

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Sure, that video shows barium in that water at 68.8 parts per billion, which is .0688 ppm.

water.epa.gov...

This says anything even in drinking water, should be under 2 parts per million. So did you set out to debunk the chemtrail religion? You did a good job!

reply to post by ParkerCramer


you're not strong on recognising sarcasm, are you??!!

We've already been ove that post.......

Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
reply to post by Phage

 

Where do you think the emissions came from in test? Were they having a BBQ in the backyard ?

Yep - actually they do.

Fine particles coem from all sorts of combustion - everythign from BBQ's to cars to industrial processes.

they also come from entirely natural sources - (best "the Duke" accent]"wind blown dust and dirt"[/bet "the Duke" accent], salt spray, wild fires, volcanoes.

What a joke

yes it was a test involving fuel. Toxic jet fuel to be precise.

that's a very certain statement - but yuo didn't provide any evience at all to support it - there's nothing saying so in the document itself, so, again, where's the link??

I know you like to see only the parts you want to see.

ROFL - the irony is strong in this one master!

There is no use in me trying to convince any of you that part is clear to me already. You look at the parts of the test that aren't related to what I'm saying and I will just deny your ignorance.

that would be because THERE IS NO PART OF THE TEST RELATED TO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

you have posted reference to testing the system that monitors fine particles in the air - IT ISN'T EVEN A TEST OF THE AIR!!

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by ParkerCramer

 

you're not strong on recognising sarcasm, are you??!!

We've already been ove that post.......

Very strong on recognizing both sarcasm and inefficient posting.

2nd

Parker

not sure if this has been posted on here ...enjoy !!!

I just watched the whole video .... and it is very good

What in the World Are They Spraying? (Full Length)

Ah, that mockumentary of collosally bad junk science. No, its not good, unless you like someone trying to decieve you. Ask yourself why they never mention in there, that barium is in the air as dust, because its in the ground, and is 8 percent of the earths crust. You will find aluminum and barium in ANY soil or dust sample you take.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

Since you claim to be such a expert on contrails and apparently you think you're an expert on this whole subject. Let me pose a hypothetical scenario to you and let me hear your response.

If someone was to chemically alter jet fuel with extra particulate matter and those particulates were coated with special polymers so they did not affect the normal functions of the jet engine. How do you suppose those particulates in the exhaust would effect the formation of the exhausts contrails?

reply to post by firepilot


That is a totally false statement. Neither of those elements occur naturally in a pure form. Yes aluminum not barium comprises 8% of the Earths crust but it does not float around in dust they way you are trying to imply.

You again have been caught in a lie trying to mislead everyone. At least get your facts straight. It's aluminum that is very abundant. Barium never occurs naturally in a pure form and neither does aluminum.

Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
reply to post by firepilot

 

That is a totally false statement. Neither of those elements occur naturally in a pure form. Yes aluminum not barium comprises 8% of the Earths crust but it does not float around in dust they way you are trying to imply.

You again have been caught in a lie trying to mislead everyone. At least get your facts straight. It's aluminum that is very abundant. Barium never occurs naturally in a pure form and neither does aluminum.

No, its not. You again just post, without understanding what you are actually posting.

Correct, its not found in a pure state. So when chemmies claim there is "barium" found, or being sprayed, well that debunks it right there. If it cant be found in a pure state because its ready combines with other elements, then it cant be found by chemmies either.

So when chemmies claim they find barium, how come you have not called them out on it for being impossible to find in a pure state?

www.battelle.org...

Nano/Microtechnology
Nano/Microtechnology teams are providing the processes, process
equipment, and materials to help reduce the size and improve the efficiency of chemical and thermal systems. Size reduction allows distributed and just-in-time processing systems to be developed for use in areas such as generating power in a building or automobile, producing chemicals faster and cheaper, and providing individual cooling and heating units for people and automobiles.

Wow what a coincidence that Battelle is involved with nano technology, special jet fuel production, industrial toxic waste clean up and has numerous government contracts while it tests air quality for the EPA.

I don't see any conflict of interest or possibility of corruption to take place under that scenario. What was I thinking?
And what another coincidence it is that all of you seem to be so informed about the Battelle Corporation. So let me see by a show of hands. Who works for Battelle and who works for Raytheon? Let's get the Batelle employees on the left and Raytheon's people on the right please.

reply to post by firepilot


Because the barium is an ingredient in the road salts that are being used as aerosols in the geoengineering program

Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
reply to post by firepilot

 

Because the barium is an ingredient in the road salts that are being used as aerosols in the geoengineering program

Show us where pure barium is used in road salt. And no, there is no EVIDENCE of barium being sprayed from aircraft. You keep posting speculation that it is, as evidence that it is.

What did you think of that KSLA news video that chemmies use as evidence, that showed a very low amount? And yes when barium is tested for, they can test for barium in compound form.

Originally posted by MathiasAndrew

www.battelle.org...

Wow what a coincidence that Battelle is involved with nano technology, special jet fuel production, industrial toxic waste clean up and has numerous government contracts while it tests air quality for the EPA.

I don't see any conflict of interest or possibility of corruption to take place under that scenario. What was I thinking?

Dunno - but whatever it was I stil dont' see anything about any spraying programme - you seem to be wandering off into all sorts of other conspiracies, and forgetting what it was that you were originally propounding!

And what another coincidence it is that all of you seem to be so informed about the Battelle Corporation.

no coincidence at all - you introduced them to the conversatin so we've all gone off to look them up - I'd never heard of them befoe today!

So let me see by a show of hands. Who works for Battelle and who works for Raytheon? Let's get the Batelle employees on the left and Raytheon's people on the right please.

I'd rather you produced some real, live, provable evidence of anythiggn at all rather than waste your time imagining who we all work for after we started lookign at a company that you told us about.....

Notice how the important information gets buried in the reports and applications. I was just browsing the patents online and here I found a connection with HAARP, RFID technology and Aluminum oxide all in one WOW

RFID environmental manipulation
United States Patent 7645326
www.freepatentsonline.com...
A system and method to reduce signal to noise ratio within an RFID enabled warehouse or distribution center by introducing highly reflective aluminum oxide particulate into the atmospheric environment of the warehouse or distribution center. The aluminum oxide will be comprised of nano size particulate manufactured in an aerosol format. This particulate will be introduced into the environment through the auspices of the heating, ventilation and air conditioning mechanism associated with the environment. The levels of particulate will be monitored through the use of strategically placed sensors in order to maintain regulatory compliance. Furthermore, the signal to noise ratio will be enhanced by reducing ambient noise emanating from light fixtures in the environment through the strategic placement of inferential filters. Furthermore, the signal to noise ratio from man made sources will be reduced by using horizontally configured backscatter transmitting antenna within the environment

Powerful pulsed beam radiation has been known to the art since the early work of Nicolai Tesla and his radio scalar physics experiments. Tesla theorized the superheating of the ionosphere using radio transmissions. Ionospheric heaters as a class of research instruments are nothing new; they have operated in Puerto Rico, the former Soviet Union and Tromso, Norway operated by Max Planck Insitut fur Aeronomie. U.S. military research has focused radio-frequency beams at the ionosphere to boil targeted locations. A tool is used to focus and steer the radio frequency energy upward. This research, known as HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program) research project, is jointly sponsored by the U.S. Air Force and U.S. Navy. HAARP has demonstrated that bouncing directed radio frequency transmissions off of the ionosphere can have dramatic effects in the power of communications and success of transmissions to submerged submarines..