Scientists Should Rule The World- Not Politicians

Imagine a world where politicians were just another instrument of science.

Whose information was vetted by scientific peers prior to being acted upon.

Would we ever of had the war in Iraq over WMD's that did not exist? Probably not. Then again, scientists ruling Iraq would probably not have invaded Kuwait over an insult.

Would 9/11 have gotten a full scientific investigation? We probably wouldn't have ever had 9/11 if science had been ruling the world.

Would scientists in Nazi Germany have killed all those people without a gun pointed to their heads? Probably not. Then again, if scientists had been ruling Germany, they would probably not have been led by someone like Hitler.

If science had been ruling, would there have ever been a Khan, Alexander the Great, or any one of the other history making nut jobs? Doubtful.

Would there have been Watergate, Iran Contra, or invasion of Panama? Not if science were ruling.

Would the Japanese have struck Pearl Harbor? And would the world have atomic bombs available to the whims of a political few? I seriously doubt it.

So why is science not ruling this planet, and the politicians reduced to mere instruments of post scientific scrutiny?

Even the religious would probably fare better.

Would scientists be more immune to the corrupting nature of power than politicians, would they be open to the same corruption?

reply to post by TrueAmerican


A lot of scientists are not that different from politicians.

Huge funding to chase personal agendas, secrecy, manipulation, lies and they don't always have the public interest at heart.

Bad idea imo.

hmmmm
would that be Nazi scientists, or Stalinist scientists...
or maybe global warming scientists...
political scientists...?

hey! lets get Marie Currie to run the world...
Oh ooops silly me she is a bit burnt out...

wouldnt that make them.........................................

Politicians?


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Although it is a different way of looking at issues in the World, I can't really agree with your sentiments.

Science is being de-bunked as much as any other subject. There are lots of theories is science, theories that are in place until a new theory comes along. Then there are lots of arguments about these theories, arguments usually turn to disputes and in turn disputes can turn to warfare.

Unfortunately, mankind has a knack of falling out with each other over the most trivial matters and no matter what your background, where mankind is at its current state of evolvement peace will never prevail.

This post seems to have a certain naivety to it. You think that science is pure? That scientist are benevolent beings of fluffy good stuff? Some of the worst people in the history of mankind have been members of the scientific community. The scientific method in a pure unadulterated form is very rarely ever truly applied to science because they still have MOTIVES. Scientist are people like us and are susceptible to the same emotions. Do you really think if we got rid of all politicians and just put scientist in their seats that they would somehow be better rulers? Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

What the world really needs is a shift in the way we view one another. We have to start to let go of our egos(at least partially) to progress past our present point. This will inevitably happen as a function of developing better/more efficient means of producing energy. However, whether we can make it to the point where limitless energy is globally available... now that's the tricky part.

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I would think most scientists to be smarter than to be faced with the incredible analytical power of hundreds of their peers. To commit a corruption crime would be flat out stupidity. By nature the two are much more mutually exclusive than we have it now.

reply to post by TrueAmerican


Well, politicians are terrible and I agree with you. We need something else, but keep in mind a lot of those terrible experiments during WW2 were thought up and done by scientists. There are "bad" scientists just like there are "good" scientists. "great thinkers" already run the world, they did back in WW2 as well. I think that nobody should be in charge. We should be autonomous, free, peaceful people that come together to form our "society" which protects the peoples freedoms and each other. One out of many, remember? That can't work yet though because we have become so divided and hateful. Maybe soon though...
Peace!

Originally posted by TrueAmerican...

You mean like the scientists who have been planning to depopulate the world for a very long time? Societies similar to those portrayed in the movies Soylent Green, THX-1138, Logan's Run, Brave New World? No thanks. I'd rather have no science and be a dirt farmer than have the law of the land be that things like emotion, compassion and family were undesirable, unsustainable sentimentality.
Who wants to be a little, disposable, renewable resource in the big machine? Raise your hands.

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Even the religious would probably fare better.


No, they wouldn't...it would be the same slight-o-hand, just a different methodology.

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I agree we as a species need to find the middle road where science and spirituality intersect. Just because someone is viewed as being logical(even by majority) doesn't mean its so. Logic can create some pretty terrible things a few examples...

THE ENTIRETY OF HUMAN EXISTENCE.

Hmmmm...

I enjoy scientists no more than politicians. Perhaps the two are intertwined. That is, in our current state of affairs. Science has progressed at a mere fraction of it's potential. It is stuck in overly analytical/left brain paradigms and further stagnated through things like the peer review. Thus, nothing ground breaking is introduced and we are still burning fossil fuels!

If you do your research online, you will be amazed at the high technology kept from the public and employed in black operations by the government/military industrial complex. It is simply mind blowing. I'll just say that every disease could have been cured decades ago, but that would counteract the goal of engineering them, wouldn't it?

Point of the matter is, both politicians and scientists are at the whim of the black hand puppeteering this planet. There is so much to be discovered through metaphysics/mysticism that we have been purposely led astray from both. Only when these are incorporated into technological/political pursuits is balance attained and serious progress made.

I never said it was a solution impervious to fault. I just think it is a better solution than most of the world has now.

Some politicians are scientists now.

I think that to lead responsibly requires skills that we do not select for when we choose our politicians (or scientists).

At present, if you are the biggest, loudest, most bigotted you will get more airtime and votes than someone who is more concerned about paediatric nutrition and social issues.

reply to post by TrueAmerican


You talkin' 'bout the same folks that built the atomic bomb, right?

How 'bout doing a thread on philosophers ruling the world? They sometimes have wildly opposing views, but they never even try to strangle one another!

Originally posted by Aliensun
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You talkin' 'bout the same folks that built the atomic bomb, right?

Those are not part of the vision.

How 'bout doing a thread on philosophers ruling the world? They sometimes have wildly opposing views, but they never even try to strangle one another!

Because it was a philosopher that theorized the earth was flat. It took a scientist to prove him wrong.

My best friend growing up is now a published mathematician.math professor (basically a math scientist).

He's my friend and a good person, but I definitely would not want him helping to lead the world. He's a smart person, but he's not necessarily a good decision-maker, nor a good leader of men.

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
My best friend growing up is now a published mathematician.math professor (basically a math scientist).

He's my friend and a good person, but I definitely would not want him helping to lead the world. He's a smart person, but he's not necessarily a good decision-maker, nor a good leader of men.

Perhaps that's because he would mostly expect you to lead yourself, not others.

Something to think about, and I don't imagine they could really make things too much worse.

But there was an episode of The Simpsons where they put the scientists in control, and it didn't work out as well as they thought it would. They were hampered by a lack of social skills and ability to effectively communicate with the population, along with their egos and inability to address issues that fell beyond their given scientific specialization.

I think scientific minds have a lot to contribute to an effective form of government, but to give them total control? I'm not sure that it would lead to a utopian society, not that we live in one now...