Second Sun on China MSM Today 3/2/2011

think about it...the reason you cant see it but on sunset/sunrise is because its too dark to show light when our sun is fully shining...maybe this is it...if the Mayans prophecy spoke of it..and we are physically seeing it...seriously...put the pieces together...it would be different if we were talking about one video..and one eyewitness account...but there's several...just Google it...i know tomorrow it supposed to be raining here..so it will be cloudy for me..but when it clears Sunday ima go look...and maybe with a welding helmet...which i have one...im going to see what this is about...for my sake anyway...but remember..there's another thread on here talking about the same thing...but its saying that this whole thing supposed to cause a polar shift the 15th of this month.....maybe a few of us "conspiracy theorist" may got it right this time....i just pray we have a little more time left...and it cant be over this soon...

reply to post by hardamber


It's a sun dog: it's caused by atmospheric interference - I've seen a ton of them.

As I've said I don't beleive it's anything other than an illusion. But, it's not what the classic definition ofa 'sun dog' should be. That's what's intriguing. It most likely is a natural phenomenon, but compare these with the images we've seen of twin suns. I think we need a new name forthis phenomenon. It's not a halo, it's not a sun dog.

www.google.co.uk...:en-GBfficial&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&tbs=isch:1&ei=F8dwTZiNCcHKh Aea39w9&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CBoQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=834

Ok so last night I made sure to face west at sundown. Even had my crappy camphone/video ready just in case and.......

wait for it......wait for it.......


NOTHING

Yep that's right. Northeastern Ohio was slightly cloudy, you know just thick white fluffy ones here and there. Not covered that much, actually it was quite beautiful just enough. The sun set through the sparse clouds and while it did look a lot bigger, I'm guess that was refraction through those white clouds as it went over the horizon I saw no second sun or sundog or anything weird.

So, after my own little experiment I have concluded, in my mind anyway that the videos contained in this thread are some sort of optical illusion.

:-) not that anyone cares I'm sure LOL

Originally posted by Xterrain
reply to post by hardamber

 

The level of ignorance on here sometimes, blows my mind. This happens to be one of those times. Do you, or anyone else on here screaming 'Betelgeuse' or 'Second Sun' think that China has a different view point of the sun than you do? That sun you see in the sky everyday, everyone on the planet sees that sun. Every. Day. If you believe otherwise, then you ought to also know the Earth is flat, gravity only applies to apples, and the sun orbits the Earth...and specifically, my house, is the center of the universe.

Umm, wow. Here is my orignial post. "I found this just posted on youtube. Does anyone speak Chinese"?

You are accusing me of being ignorant? You are right because I don't speak Chinese and wanted to know what was spoken in this video. I made no claims of anything else.

I appreciate the translations that a couple people gave me.

This thread has been informative and I am thankful for all the scientific and photographic contributions.

I plan on getting a welding helmet and paying more attention to the sun.

Personally I liked zorgon's post on another thread, concerning someone else making a video of the same thing basically. He shows the difference between sundogs and odd occurrences that are NOT typical sundogs:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

To all the people wanting to get a welding helmet and stare at the sun all I gotta say is ROFLMAO WTF OMG LOL HOLY S&^%! really, Here, let me explain once again what this is, you can google it and even find pictures of this happening through out time. it has been happening since man first started recording time, ok, you ready, IT'S - A - SUN - DOG!

Jesus I cant believe what this site has come to, this place use to have great intel and none main stream news now all it has are all these nut jobs on here and hate people arguing over abortions, religion, gay - no gay crap WTF is wrong with everyone, is everyones age going down instead of up? Is everyone who use to post 13 years old now or what the hell?

Originally posted by Unity_99
Personally I liked zorgon's post on another thread, concerning someone else making a video of the same thing basically. He shows the difference between sundogs and odd occurrences that are NOT typical sundogs:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Yes, I strongly recommend everyone look at those photos before adding another sundog post here.

Maaaaaybeee it's ice crystals reflecting the super nova explosion onto a weather balloon!

I wish everyone would at least admit that it's interesting and agree to check out the skies a bit more for a while.

The thing is - with a lens issue, the guy interviewed and many of the other youtubes as well - the people say they can see it without looking through a lens.

reply to post by BobAthome

It's from the song of the dutchess and the cook:


There's something to say for hatred,
For nastiness and spite.
Oh no, my friend,
We can't pretend
That everything's sweetness and light.

There's something to say for misery,
For suffering and gloom.
Just try being cheerful
And you'll get an earful
Of your impending doom.

This world is not a paradise
If indeed it ever was.
It's a veil of tears,
And so my dears,
Throw out the chaff?
Don't me me laugh.

There's something to say for frowning.
Why must we always smile?
Forget all your dreams,
Resort to schemes,
And in just a little while?

The best laid plans of mice and men Will all come crashing down again And we'll all despise each other In the grandest style!

So ummm,

Here is a triple one that looks much better than the one on the video. This is on Nasa's Astronomy Picture of the Day from a few years back.

If you read through the discussion forum there are quite a few good theories. This is essentially the same optical illusion we are looking at here.

apod.nasa.gov...

reply to post by Jinglelord


Even more interesting is the mention of the sincere photographer took the picture of something he had first seen with his eyes, so that the one possible explanation may not be the Fit in this case. That is what everyone is forgetting. You can list possibilities and probabilities, but that doesn't make them the case.

He also took pictures from more than one angle apparently.

So this writer from NASA was leaving it up for debate.

And what a beautiful picture.

ok - so as usual after 12 pages some people started insulting each other and we still have no explanation.

Optical illusion? = in this case the fact that the suns are the same size, almost touching and one is brighter than the other. Possible.

Camera illusion? = Possible also, but the cameraman and other people here have said to see a similar phenomenon with naked eyes.

Real 2nd Sun? = Not likely. The sudden appearance of it would, I imagined be seen everywhere and would change things drastically on earth.

Something else? = Planet, Brown dwarf...etc / Possible but then why is no one talking about it in the mainstream media or even the weather channel like they would do an eclipse or other interesting natural phenomenon?

Someone posted this on Favebook today. It dates from Feb 28th 2011 and comes from Bangkok.
It certainly rules out the illusion and also answers my question as to know if the "2 suns" can be seen in different formations.

So here we have a different country / different time / different formation.

Not making any conclusions - just keeping it flowing!!

reply to post by IAMSEEKER

Admittedly, that one was different. The second bright thing in the sky, for once, wasn't right next to the first bright thing (sun).

It also looked brighter than what the moon looks like when it shows up in the morning sky. The size was closer to what the moon looks like, I wonder what time of day that was, and I wonder if the moon seen through a camera (vid) would be brighter than usual?

I've seen the moon in the sky in the daytime, depending on how/where it's orbiting at a particular time of month/year. I've also seen it really close to the sun, and you can tell it's the moon when viewing it with a naked eye.

It looks a bit cloudy, hard to tell though, if it could be a reflection from anything.
Clearly not a second sun, it isn't warm enough yet....

reply to post by snowspirit


Could very well be the moon. Depending on the camera and the aperture it might show the moon simply as a white dot.
What bugs me is the human factor.

Like many, I've seen the moon and the sun at the same time and it can be beautiful but If I were to film, I wouldn't post it on youtube with a title like this. But that's just me.

Ignorance/hoaxes/stupidity/ are big sticks in the wheel of truth.

This my come to place for comic relief.
Use to be The Huffington post with The daily show and the corbert report.

the thing I seen sooo wasn't a sundog and certainly wasn't the moon either. The two suns I seen weren't on opposite sides of the sky, and were midway in the sky.

curious.astro.cornell.edu...

You will almost never see the full moon and the Sun at the same time. The reason for this is that all the planets, Moon and the Sun lie in a plane in the sky called the ecliptic and this plane is tilted to the Earth's equator by about 23.5 degrees. On full moon day, the Moon and the Sun are roughly (not exactly) on opposite sides of Earth]. Hence, if the Sun is at a declination of 23.5 degrees (which it will be close to summer) in the constellation of Gemini, then the Moon will be at a declination of -23.5 degrees in the constellation of Sagittarius. Places on the Earth north of 66.5 degrees will never see the part of the ecliptic that is in Sagittarius (even though some parts of the constellation that are above the declination of -23.5 degrees may be seen depending on the latitude of the place). Hence, if you are at a latitude of say 80 degrees, the Sun will be above the sky all day during summer and the Moon will never rise during full moon. However, the Moon's orbit is inclined to the ecliptic by about 5 degrees which is the reason why we do not see a solar eclipse during every new moon. Hence at latitudes close to 66.5 degrees, one might be able to see the Sun and the full moon for a very short time simultaneously if the geometry of the Moon is just right. However, the Sun and the full moon will be on opposite portions of the sky and so nobody will be able to photograph it unless there is an exceptional camera that can take a picture of the entire sky.

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