Homophobes:: GET A CLUE!!!

Originally posted by imjustlikeyou
reply to post by Annee

 

So your ignorant to my and other peoples views (which are real).

Ignorant means lack of knowledge.

Has nothing to do with views.

Originally posted by mizbeach40....

One doesn't have to be Christian to see that homosexuality is against the natural order of things.
The majority of homosexuals today are so by virtue of endocrine disruptor chemicals that are commonplace in food container linings, such as bisphenol-A and I think another one is tertiary-butyl phenol. These have been shown to throw normal sexual development in animals out of whack so much that male bass have been found to produce eggs (the endocrine disruptors persist in pollution). There is also one that is present in thermally-printed cash register receipts (notice how it's policy for most stores that the receipt is to be placed in the customer's hand?), and it has been shown to absorb through the skin. Add a ton of pro-homosexuality programming, from a very early age, through movies, television, radio, newspapers, schools, colleges, etc. and it's obvious how all this came about. It's social engineering. The strong family is the biggest obstacle to making slaves out of the world population. Homosexuality, in the overwhelming majority of cases today, is an artificially-created phenomenon, a neuropsychological developmental disorder, not something that happened naturally.
One doesn't have to look very closely to see that homosexual relationships are based for the most part on just base lust and casual sex. Like the "relationships" of the model citizenry in Brave New World. As with multiculturalism, seeking to make males and females equal, etc., are we better off for it (the acceptance of homosexuality)? No, we're not.
I already know how replies are going to go, because I've discussed this issue before, elsewhere. But I'll ask anyway - please address the facts.

Originally posted by grizzle2

Originally posted by mizbeach40....

One doesn't have to look very closely to see that homosexual relationships are based for the most part on just base lust and casual sex.

Frankly, mate you're talking rot, there. I've been married to my Mrs for nearly 12 yrs now and when we first got together it was all about lust, just like the vast majority of couples (Hetero and Homo) The only people who don't get together through lust are those who have their marriages arranged for them. This is not a stick with which you can beat people as it's a natural human thing. Everyone has little triggers in their heads when it comes to fancying people, some guys like legs, others breasts etc. I don't see how that's different from fancying someone who's the same sex to be honest.

Anyway, once you get over the initial lust phase and start to know your partner, that's when the love comes in.


I really worry about people so full of the need to disapprove or hate....What's so bad in your own mind that you'll devote your time and thoughts to disliking something that doesn't need to affect you? Life's way too short for that.

reply to post by SprocketUK



SprocketUK,

You bring out some excellent points here mate.

I really worry about people so full of the need to disapprove or hate....

I really worry about people who label others who disapprove of their personal belief systems as Haters or Homphobes.

I also worry about people who in order to get their way or pet beliefs approved must sneak their belief systems in to public schools and operate it on our children...with or without our approval. When they effect our children it effects us. Not difficult to think this through.

I'll tell you something SprocketUK... something that is very homophobic and ignorant...that our public education systems teach our children more about sex and sexuality before they can even master the skills to earn a living. Now that is homophobic. But some intelligences our here would call this enlightened.

I worry about this in people. Don't you??

What is it that is so bad in some peoples lives that they feel the need...yea...even the entitlement to turn on others for approval and even demand it ..and call it tolerance? And then try to force even intimidate others to grant them approval.

Most peoples out here have some level of sex and sexualty. To define ones self by thier sexuality or sexual orientation is incredibly stupid. Then demand approval of others on this basis. Only public education can dumb people down this far that they think it is a basis for approval from others.

People historically have defined themselves by thier lineage..their occupations, or some great work they have done and left to posterity. Not by their sexuality or sexual orientation. One has to be educated to get this dumb so as to lose sight of this history. This is not enlightenment ..it is ignorance.

I worry about people too.

Thanks,
Orangetom

reply to post by orangetom1999


Tom, there are a couple of different arguments there.

As far as teaching kids about sex goes. Some people think its a way to cut down on teen pregnancies and std's . Also, that teaching about sexuality may stop people being upset when they are confronted with these things.


As for the approval thing, I agree. I don't make a point of making sure people know I'm a fan of the female form. ;-)
But then I've never been discriminated against because of it. I'm sure if I had, then I'd be a bit more in peoples faces and aggressive.

Gay people have been treated like sh1t forever, its only natural that they have had enough.

Originally posted by imjustlikeyou
Wow this thread is chock full of Religiphobes

Strange that you are "born" that way as I would have thought the "gay gene" would have died out due to the lack of breeding ability.

Most "Gay" people these days are self made victims.
Life is tough for all of us....get over yourselves.

I do not care that you are gay, it doesn't affect me at all.
Just don't rub it in my face and do you REALLY need to have annual parades?!.

Victims.

edit on 10-3-2011 by imjustlikeyou because: (no reason given)

I have been nowhere near your face; let alone rub anything there.

Get a life bud. You have a fantasy going on there that I want nothing to do with.

Hey now, everyone in this world has a right to opinion of what they feel is right and wrong. This is no diffrent than religion and smoking around your kids. (sorry, had to do it after I read a thread about smokers needed to have their kiddies taken away).

I dont fear gays, so I guess I'm not a phobe. I dont think it's right, but hey, thats my right, right?

Here is what I dont get. I see a "few" people bitchin about homophobes here and there, and to tell ya the truth, the biggest stint I see about homo's is in threads that are against gay bashing. So, really, in all reality, it's people like you who keep bringing this up. Not your "homophobes". Im not about gay bashing, because it's a desire and a way of life for some, but unless it's shoveled in my face, I really dont give a rats ass about it. People do what they want to do. It doesnt effect me, so I dont care. When it start affecting me and my family, then I will stand up in which ever way I need to push this away from my circle of privacy... Ya know, that space people need around them, around their home, to have a lil peace of mind. That place where you can go to get away from everyone and their petty B.S..

Here is something else I dont get....

Gays demand non gays accept them. Non gays demand that gays respect their way of life all the same. Why can everyone just mind their own damn business and cut it already? If you want me to accept your ways, then you likewise have to accept mine. That means, you dont shovel gaydom in my face and I dont shove antigay in yours. Fair enough? This means... My children dont need to see two guys making out on a damn interstate billboard. Why? Because even though we know Gays are out there, it's bringing up the question to my children as to wether or not that practice is ok. My personal thoughts are... Born Gay is total B.S.. You dont have the same belief? So what. We're even, right? Agree to dissagree and move on. Nothing to see here people.

You dont like being strait, I dont like being gay. Im happy living how and where I am even with this belief. If you are not... Move. There are plenty of 3rd world countries out there that I'm sure would enjoy the help to build a new civilization. Then in 20 years, countries would goto war over sexuality rather than race or religion. Consider yourself lucky this isnt a common practice for gays. I dont see what the problem is. If you get ridiculed for doing something in public that people dont agree with, dont do it in public if you dont want the attention and ridicule. If I pick my butt in public, you can bet your ass someone will laugh, make a comment or look at me as though I did something disgusting. Sorry to say, it's not just gays... Its just the way we are. Sad, perhaps.. But we're human and we all have rights to our own beliefs.

nuff said

reply to post by theRhenn


Yes, everyone has the right to believe whatever they wish. The point is that you have no right to force your belief on others if it causes them harm.

If someone must move away from you because simply being in your proximity is dangerous for their emotional or lawful state as a civilian in the United States, then you are wrong and against freedom. It's as simple as that. It's true, no one should be affronted by gay or straight relationships anywhere, as those are private and most places have rules about public displays of affection (inappropriate almost everywhere, so movie kiss scenes are highly unrealistic). However, you have no right to take away the rights of others based on a personal opinion. That's that.

To be honest, whilst I do feel that it is biologically unnatural - everyone has the right to do whatever they want. Besides, by the same argument we're all guilty of behaving in unnatural manners to some extent. Whose to say worshipping a God or supporting a football team that has no players from your city, or having any sort of particular taste in food, is natural? I tend to believe its a psychological phenomenon, a matter of having your chemical releases programmed in a certain manner or something - I'm no expert but it the same way everyones got a different taste in women, some guys may just respond to men in the same manner.

However, it certainly isn't 'immoral' for two guys to go at it if they both want it. Too many people base their perception of gays on what they've been told to believe - e.g. religious morality, without ever questioning these assumptions. I don't see the point in the few gays who do go OTT and proper mince about with a lisp and limp wrists, but even if they do well whatever makes them happy is fair enough - it doesn't affect anyone else.

There's no point having 'beliefs' on the subject, whats there to believe in? I got a big problem with people who 'believe' in things without rationally coming to their conclusions. If it doesn't cause you any immediate suffering then whatever, it doesn't matter - let them be.

If anything it's useful, more free chicks out there for the rest of us! One might even say all of us males are bi-winning lol see what I did there?

Originally posted by Varemia
reply to post by theRhenn

 

Yes, everyone has the right to believe whatever they wish. The point is that you have no right to force your belief on others if it causes them harm.

If someone must move away from you because simply being in your proximity is dangerous for their emotional or lawful state as a civilian in the United States, then you are wrong and against freedom. It's as simple as that. It's true, no one should be affronted by gay or straight relationships anywhere, as those are private and most places have rules about public displays of affection (inappropriate almost everywhere, so movie kiss scenes are highly unrealistic). However, you have no right to take away the rights of others based on a personal opinion. That's that.

Im sorry Var, I dont see where the force comes in. Sure, I can agree that there are hate crimes, but this isnt just about gays. That also goes towards race, redheads, big ears, religion and what not. So, the point Im making is, this is no diffrent than anything else really. No one should move away from anyone, no one should segregate themselves either. This is what causes territorial strife in the first place. Division of races, creeds, that never amounts to much hundreds of years later save for war.

Hey, I agree. There is way too much hate in the world. Not just against gays. Against religion too. I see people bashing religious people on this thread saying that this is where the problem stems, and this can not be farther from the truth. I willing to bet my life that there are a good many religious gay people out there too.

And Im all about rights. Everyone should have their right to freedom and privacy. More so than we have today.

See, we can agree Doesnt mean either of our opinions are correct in the grand scheme of things. I guess we wont know till every last person on this earth has breathed their last breath, and maybe, just maybe, the answers to what were were supposed to be all about will be givin to us. If not... Then we fought and killed one another for thousands of years for nothing anyways. (shrugs) Opinions or not, some people can be narrowminded and push their beliefs on others. Half the world does this, once again, in religion, sexual beliefs, both ways mind you... science, ect. You know who the true moral people are in all this? They are the ones that watch us bicker about such things and shake their heads while they hope for the best for us.

Lets face it. Everybody enjoys a certain amount of attention. I am thinking people in the "majority" are ironically feeling a little "left out" of the attention arena these days.

White supremacists get bummed out every time a person of colour, or an immigrant gets attention; whether its recognition of rights or any kind of benefit at all.

Straights get bummed out when gay men and women have a parade or get some kind of recognition in laws or the news.

"Poor me" is all this is about -- a little moping because they, being the majority, the usual, the common aren't getting the attention. Well, you don't need it. Being in the majority, you have had it your way for most of history. It is pretty sad, really, that you are so insecure about it and fret when someone other than your group gets a little bit of something.

In the end, we are all the same group - human - and what is good for one is good for all generally speaking. So don't get upset if we celebrate the reality of our existence and equality with the rest of you. We minorities are not second class citizens, and that is a good thing to hoot about.

Originally posted by wayno
Lets face it. Everybody enjoys a certain amount of attention. I am thinking people in the "majority" are ironically feeling a little "left out" of the attention arena these days.

White supremacists get bummed out every time a person of colour, or an immigrant gets attention; whether its recognition of rights or any kind of benefit at all.

Straights get bummed out when gay men and women have a parade or get some kind of recognition in laws or the news.

"Poor me" is all this is about -- a little moping because they, being the majority, the usual, the common aren't getting the attention. Well, you don't need it. Being in the majority, you have had it your way for most of history. It is pretty sad, really, that you are so insecure about it and fret when someone other than your group gets a little bit of something.

In the end, we are all the same group - human - and what is good for one is good for all generally speaking. So don't get upset if we celebrate the reality of our existence and equality with the rest of you. We minorities are not second class citizens, and that is a good thing to hoot about.

Wow, you need to see a shrink with your hate issue's. P.S most human beings live to 50 years old if they are lucky. Your line of bigoted social justice thinks every light skinned man that is alive today was alive during slavery/segregation. Which is absurd and idiotic.

Originally posted by korathin

Wow, you need to see a shrink with your hate issue's. P.S most human beings live to 50 years old if they are lucky. Your line of bigoted social justice thinks every light skinned man that is alive today was alive during slavery/segregation. Which is absurd and idiotic.

Oh grow up! Wayno's post doesn't indicate any such thing.

Over sensitive much?

I second that. I seen absolutly no animosity in his responce. Matter of fact, it made sense in ways I really didnt think of before.

Geeze... Do people actually read these posts before they start throwing monkey poo around? You know, all that really does is leaves your hand stinky and black, right?

To the OP, just wanted to let you know I support you. Although most of the responses on here are supportive, I almost can't stand reading through them for the few that smack of outright ignorance. For example the person who believes that most pedophiles are gay, when in fact this is not at all true, that the vast majority 90%+ identify as straight (which by the way fit in with the general population demographics; 90% straight 10% gay, meaning in both groups the tendency is EQUAL). A quote from psychology today sums it up pretty well:

"The gender of the child is immaterial. Accessibility is more the factor in who a pedophile abuses. This may explain the high incidence of children molested in church communities and fraternal organizations, where the pedophile may more easily have access to children. In these situations, an adult male is trusted by those around him, including children and their families. Males are often given access to boys to mentor, teach, coach and advise. Therefore, a male pedophile may have easier access to a male child. In trying to make sense of an adult male's sexually abusing a male child, many of us mislabel it as an act of homosexuality, which it isn't...To call child molestation of a boy by a man "homosexual" or of a girl by a man "heterosexual" is to misunderstand pedophilia. No true pedophile is attracted to adults, so neither homosexuality nor heterosexuality applies."

The second thing I hear is a complaint which amounts to "why do you have to flaunt your sexuality, no one else here does, so of course you are going to be made fun of" as if that's an excuse to trash & judge other people. And secondly, it doesn't make any logical sense whatsoever, since, as one person already pointed out there have been plenty of threads and posts on here in the past of people talking about being straight, talking about wives, husbands etc.

The third thing that gets me is comments like "why do gay men have to act like a bunch of flaming sissies, they are just asking to get made fun of!" as if being a sissy, or girlish is the most horrible thing in the world. (note the use of being feminine as an insult, much like the use of "that's so gay" implies homophobia, calling someone a "flaming sissy" implies sexism, that being feminine is somehow lesser than masculine traits) Anyway, one person already responded to this pretty well, the fact that being different is not bad, that differences are to be celebrated, that a world full of doofus fratboy "bros" would just be boooooring. Also, about "being proud to be gay" it's very true that most oppressed communities have developed their own cultures & communities as a way to counter said oppression and stay safe (many people from oppressed groups face daily violence & threats), and also as a way to belong to a group of like minded people since society (mostly the homophobes, racists, misogynists, anti-semites, etc.) have ostracized & abandoned us. The cultures that spring up around these groups are something to be celebrated, often it represents overcoming adversity when the odds are stacked against you, often it's a celebration of what makes a particular community different and unique (again differences should be celebrated, not put down). We have black pride, italian pride, among others and yes gay pride - so for those who have a problem with it, just deal with it.

And in case the homophobes need any other reminder here, the OP didn't publish this so called "rant" because she wanted to be "proud & flaunt her sexual habits" she published this because she had to defend herself against the attacks and insults that she had been subjected to by a small but vocal ignorant and homophobic minority on these boards (again, most people on here are perfectly civilized, but often it's the ignorant few that can ruin it for everyone else, huh?)

I prefer to think that the wailing & rants heard by homophobes are simply the death throes of an old & dying ideology, one which hearkens back to the days when women & blacks were not full people (funny how a lot of these homophobic people also tend to be racist and/or sexist too). Anyway, as the old ideology further gets discredited, it's supporters get louder and more desperate. History however has a different plan, one that is moving toward full equality and economic & social justice for all, and unless these people want to end up like the WHIGS of the past, they either need to change their tune (or maybe move to Iran or something), otherwise they will be finding themselves on the wrong side of history.

Originally posted by grizzle2

Originally posted by mizbeach40....

One doesn't have to be Christian to see that homosexuality is against the natural order of things.
The majority of homosexuals today are so by virtue of endocrine disruptor chemicals that are commonplace in food container linings, such as bisphenol-A and I think another one is tertiary-butyl phenol. These have been shown to throw normal sexual development in animals out of whack so much that male bass have been found to produce eggs (the endocrine disruptors persist in pollution). There is also one that is present in thermally-printed cash register receipts (notice how it's policy for most stores that the receipt is to be placed in the customer's hand?), and it has been shown to absorb through the skin. Add a ton of pro-homosexuality programming, from a very early age, through movies, television, radio, newspapers, schools, colleges, etc. and it's obvious how all this came about. It's social engineering. The strong family is the biggest obstacle to making slaves out of the world population. Homosexuality, in the overwhelming majority of cases today, is an artificially-created phenomenon, a neuropsychological developmental disorder, not something that happened naturally.
One doesn't have to look very closely to see that homosexual relationships are based for the most part on just base lust and casual sex. Like the "relationships" of the model citizenry in Brave New World. As with multiculturalism, seeking to make males and females equal, etc., are we better off for it (the acceptance of homosexuality)? No, we're not.
I already know how replies are going to go, because I've discussed this issue before, elsewhere. But I'll ask anyway - please address the facts.

Cuckoo Cuckoo Cuckoo! Homosexuality has been present in nature since the dawn of time. Shameless to what extent people will go to justify their prejudices. Your junk science is beyond laughable. Look what's really going on, it's very similar to the civil rights movement in the sixties. On one side, it's still acceptable, to some extent, to persecute and discriminate against gay people. I mean we have pop songs like "you're so gay". On the other side you have opportunists who pander to gay rights. This will eventually level off when as our species grows up and gay people will be accepted as ...well... people. I don't even know why I'm responding to your preposterous claims, I'm afraid I'm inadvertently adding some twisted merit to your lunacy. And as far as your screed about gays being fast and loose...pfft. All the gay couples I know have been committed, faithful and monogamous far longer than any straight people I know.

Originally posted by arollingstone
To be honest, whilst I do feel that it is biologically unnatural

One more thing...apparently you haven't heard about the very gay animal kingdom. The fact that over 450 animal species have been observed to practice homosexuality...and it's not just some fluke where a pair of goats were caught in the act and no goats were ever saw again, no, these are cases of repetitive, consistent homosexual acts, behavior that is part of the social fabric of the animal species...some the purposes for the behavior range from pure pleasure (the animal likes how it feels so it does it) to socialization (it brings the herd/clan/group closer together). So unless your definition of "natural" is way off from what's in the dictionary, I don't know whats MORE natural than a bunch of animals doing it. Animal behavior is about as natural as one can get, and last time I checked, humans are a type of animal here on planet earth.

So yeah, you argument, about it being "un-natural" complete BS. sorry, try again. And the thing is, the more you look at it with an open mind, the more you will find that arguments against homosexuality have no basis in logic or science. Pretty much what it comes down to is religious objection...and then there's the whole pesky fact that we don't live in a theocracy where (thank god) another person can't force the rest of us to live by his/hers moral & religious views.

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reply to post by meeneecat


By 'unnatural' I mean that it goes against our natural survival instincts - specifically the drive to reproduce. Did I not acknowledge that all people engage in 'unnatural' behaviour? I never said that it was 'wrong' because its unnatural, just a passing observation that it takes people out of the natural selection loop. Besides, that book about gay animals was debunked by Ricky Gervais lol.

I'm not 'against' homosexuals. Reread my post please. If you read my entire post, instead of just picking out the first few words, you would realise that I was extremely unbiased and open-minded with my approach. I explicitly stated that there's nothing particularly unethical or wrong about being gay, and that using religious morality to deem it 'immoral' doesn't fly.

Barking up the wrong tree, mate.

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