Christian couple lose their High Court battle to foster children because they are against homosexual

I don't believe today's Holy Bible compiled and edited under the guidance of the Catholic Church is the infallible word of God, but the combination of stories and point of views provide an enormous amount of God's wisdom that was relevant for people back then and also today.

God is our Spiritual Father and his wisdom allows him to nurture, protect, and punish humanity for the collective good of everyone, not just an individual. You can't nurture a child and teach them right from wrong unless you explain or deliver a punishment for bad actions. Nor can your protect any person or child unless you punish those that would cause them harm. It is no different with homosexuality.

Yes, under God's laws homosexuals, rapist, child molestors, and other unsavory characters should be put death in order to protect the rest of society from corrupting their ways. I am not saying homosexuals are child molestors, but their ideas, practices, and way of life usually requires that they iniate (sometimes by force) others into their way of life like a spreading cancer.

Child molestors should be put to death with substantial proof after the first offence. Why would you give them a second chance to spread their evil to more children who are now at risk at becoming the same way?

So you see, I don't believe it was some crazy hateful priest that wrote that homosexuals should be put to death. I do believe it was inspired by God in his wisdom that if you let evil flourish it will eventually get out of control and drag everyone out of harmony with the natural order of things and create misery for everyone. In order to protect and nurture the whole, certain individuals that cause chaos must be removed.

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I also find it disgusting how adults are brainwashed into stereotyping people into perceived groups with no account for individual thoughts or variations. Christian=Bad. Really? Someone needs to take a spoonful of their own medicine.

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Its not Gods law, its mans law. And gay is nothing like child molesters,murderers or rapists. These people harm and kill other people, so you are right when you say they should be put to death. But nothing to do with gay people.

Originally posted by blamethegreys
reply to post by Jay-morris

 

I also find it disgusting how adults are brainwashed into stereotyping people into perceived groups with no account for individual thoughts or variations. Christian=Bad. Really? Someone needs to take a spoonful of their own medicine.

Im not brainwashed. I just know that religon is a fairytale. And yes, many religous people will choose to ignore what their religon says when it suits them. Its just another way to get their hate out there.

Originally posted by Jay-morris

Originally posted by mamabeth
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How many times are you going to ask that same question?
Over and over and over and over...every thread where you can.
Can you give it a rest some time in this century?
Some child is going to lose out on a opportunity to be raised
by a decent couple because they are christians.I think that is
more important than your annoying question.

Im sorry but if these "Christians" are going to bring them up witn their views that being gay is bad, then these people should not be able to foster children. I think its disgusting how children are brainwashed with this crap!

You are making the "assumption" that the couple would actively teach the children homosexuality was bad and there is no evidence to support that.

They simply make two comments:

1) They were not homophobic, and

2) They would not be able to tell the child practising homosexuality was a, "Good thing".

How in your twisted mind you can equate that to discriminating against gays is beyond me, but I suspect in your mind EVERYBODY who doesn't openly embrace the gay lifestyle in their face is homophobic. That, is just sad and exposes a very serious inferiority complex.

Originally posted by Jay-morris

I feel sorry for the kids who are adopted into hardcore religous families, and i don't think it should be allowed. Those kids will end up being brainwashed, and will carry on spreading the hate that so many religous people do

I feel sorry for the kids who aren't adopted by anyone, who go through their adult life with no connection to a sense of family, "perfect" or not. It's generally part of the universal human experience, and to not have it does so much more damage than being raised christian or atheist or whatever.

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You are making the "assumption" that the couple would actively teach the children homosexuality was bad and there is no evidence to support that.

They simply make two comments:

1) They were not homophobic, and

2) They would not be able to tell the child practising homosexuality was a, "Good thing".

How in your twisted mind you can equate that to discriminating against gays is beyond me, but I suspect in your mind EVERYBODY who doesn't openly embrace the gay lifestyle in their face is homophobic. That, is just sad and exposes a very serious inferiority complex.

Wrong!!! I said IF they were!

Why do people like you think that everyone who disagree's with you is a gay loving people! Its nothing to do with that. Its to do with people spreading hate. Does not matter if its gays,race, whatever.

And it really annoys me that before every hate filled rant, religon is not far behind!

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Yes, that is sad and horrible, im not denting that.

We can go on all day about why Christians are bad or why homosexuals are bad, but when it comes down to it, what about the child? It seems that people get far too caught up in the mucky muck of these types of situations, yet never consider the welfare of the child. Sexual orientation, religious orientation, etc. should never be a factor in whether or not a family is suitable for adoption or fostering. What should matter is the capability of the foster parents to bring up a child in a loving, nurturing home, not whether or not one can quote Bible verses, or whether or not the parents are two male partners or two female partners. If the people looking for a foster child are capable of giving everything the child needs, then more power to them. If I were much older and married, and with the proper finances to do such a thing, I would apply to be a foster parent myself.

Can't we all just live and let live?



Just my $.02.


Peace be with you.

-truthseeker

Originally posted by Jay-morris

Im not brainwashed. I just know that religon is a fairytale. And yes, many religous people will choose to ignore what their religon says when it suits them. Its just another way to get their hate out there.

Huh? So a believer interprets or rejects a specific doctrine on moral grounds (when it suits them, as you put it) and that constitutes "another way to get their hate out there"?

I'm glad I don't live in your world friend.

Originally posted by Jay-morris
Wrong!!! I said IF they were!

So in your eyes they are already GUILTY when there is not one shred of evidence.

That in itself is discrimination and promoting hate against this couple.

Originally posted by Jay-morris


...And it really annoys me that before every hate filled rant, religon is not far behind!

Or Atheism. Two sides, same coin.

Originally posted by Haydn_17

Nature tells us thats who.

Men and women have sex to produce children, to be parents to that child.

You can't say that about two gay men can you.


Its ridiculous, it's politcal correctness gone mad.
I am against the idea of Gay being natural, because it isnt. Does that make me a horrible person for having a beleif?

Honestly, if you are going to argue about nature, then everything humans do is unnatural. I mean, we don't fend for ourselves using our bodies like every other animal. We build tools and teach each other things to survive. In that case, education is entirely unnatural and should be shunned by society. After all, it is an abomination.

Also, men and women will have sex whether you like gay people or not. Just because homosexuality is becoming accepted in the world as something that exists and won't go away, it doesn't mean that men and women are going to suddenly stop making babies! I mean, right now we've got a baby being born every second, and there is always somebody somewhere at all times doing the naughty with each other.

Gay is natural because it happens. If it is possible at all, then it is natural. You see, the big difference between homosexuality, bestiality, and pedophilia is that homosexuality is between two consenting adults. They are of sound mind and body, and desire each other. In bestiality, the animal cannot consent. It may get into heat, but the animal will never be able to understand what is going on. And again with pedophilia, the child cannot consent, because their minds have not developed enough for rational decision-making to take hold.

Homosexuality has nothing wrong with it and the people who oppose it are either stupid or evil in my opinion (stupid being FAR more common).

And on topic for the thread itself:
I don't think they should have denied them a foster child for that reason. There are too many children out there who need a home, and even if a child is raised in a house where the parents believe something silly, when the child gets old enough, he/she will be able to decide for themselves what they believe. That's why so many parents hate their children's choices. They would rather not have their kid believe something that is different.

Honestly, either that social worker was traumatized or had homosexual friends who have been hurt by Christians if that was the deciding point in foster-care allowance. It just goes to show that the anti-homosexuality Christians are not doing anyone any favors by being bigoted. It causes PAIN, HATRED, and even ATHEISM, which I know many Christians do not enjoy.

I mean, think about it! If you were growing up doing what seemed to be natural to you, and your parents told you that their religion dictates that you are evil and must change your ways, would you remain religious, loving, and pain-free? No! The belief that homosexuality is wrong is entirely un-Christ-like in all regards. It is detrimental to society.

Originally posted by blamethegreys

Im not brainwashed. I just know that religon is a fairytale. And yes, many religous people will choose to ignore what their religon says when it suits them. Its just another way to get their hate out there.

Huh? So a believer interprets or rejects a specific doctrine on moral grounds (when it suits them, as you put it) and that constitutes "another way to get their hate out there"?

I'm glad I don't live in your world friend. [/quote

So, you are telling me that all religous people go by their religon 100%? If thats the case, then why arn't we stoning people anymore for adultery?

Exodus 20:14 "You shall not commit adultery."

Deuteronomy 22:22 "If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die."

Leviticus 20:10 "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death."

Proverbs 6:32 "But a man who commits adultery lacks judgment; whoever does so destroys himself." He destroys himself by being put to death as shown above.

Leviticus 21:9 "And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire." Why should only a daughter of a priest gets burnt to death if she profanes herself? Why can't this law apply to all daughters?

Deuteronomy 25:11-12 "If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity." This doesn't make any sense what so ever! Why should the woman get her hands cut off for defending her husband? It's not like she was cheating on him or anything like that!

So, this is "Gods word" So why is this being ignored, but being gay is not ignored?

Originally posted by leo123

Originally posted by Jay-morris
Wrong!!! I said IF they were!

So in your eyes they are already GUILTY when there is not one shred of evidence.

That in itself is discrimination and promoting hate against this couple.

edit on 28-2-2011 by leo123 because: (no reason given)

Lol i did not say they were guilty. I said "if they are" Don't you understand what i am saying here!?

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Actually it is God's law. You can see God's law by observing humans and nature on earth.

Male homosexual sex has no biological purpose and is actually very harmful to the human body and that is a fact. The medical profession advises that men/women don't ever do it without wearing a man-made latex device. If homosexuality was God's will you would not need a special device in order to do it without harming yourself or someone else.

To be specific, it is very easy for tears to occur and feces to get into the bloodstream and make people incredibly sick. Women have natural acids that kill invaders and have even be shown to be more resistant against normal bacteria and man-made viruses such as HIV.

Originally posted by mamabeth
Some child is going to lose out on a opportunity to be raised
by a decent couple because they are christians.

You're hearing ONE side of the story. It's NOT because they are Christian. It's because of their beliefs that discrimination is a good thing.

What if they disapproved of white people? Or handicapped people? Or females? Would that be a healthy environment to place a child in? Especially one that might be white, handicapped or female?

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Plenty of woman enjoy anal sex. Also, what makes you think that all gay people have anal sex?

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Ah, so that's why people engage in bondage, foot worship, and any of the other multitudes of sexual gratifications? That's why people desire threesomes (which REQUIRE a degree of homosexuality) and all sorts of different things. That's why men have a prostate that can be stimulated during intercourse to make the event more pleasurable? I know a lot of straight couples who engage in back-end play, so don't act like homosexuals are alone. Plus, women can be homosexual too.

Originally posted by Kailassa
I can't say that about any heterosexual people I know either.

I have three children, yet I have never once had sex in order to produce a child.

Of course people often have sex simply for pleasure etc. etc.

However, we have a sexual drive in the first place primarily to encourage sexual relations with adult human beings of the opposite gender (not with little kids, sheep, trees, or the same gender).