Christian couple lose their High Court battle to foster children because they are against homosexual

To be fair, Karl Marx called for the abolition of all bourgeois families, in his treatise, the Communist Manifesto. Maybe this activist judge just thought he was following the recommendations of Karl.

reply to post by hawaii50th

What, are you afraid of being exposed, your part of the problem, when someone speaks out against your perversion you strike back with what, nothing more than shut up, I can't stand hearing the truth?

What in the blazes are you talking about ? My perversion ? I can't stand hearing the truth ?

Dude you really are (typically) like miles off base

For your info I don't happen to be gay, don't get me wrong I'm not ignorant enough to not even consider the subject I gave it great consideration but found it unappealing up till know, who knows I could change my mind in time.

I don't find is kissing and caressing another man young or old appealing at all and I've yet to meet a man that I looked at and though hm I'd like to have his lips on mine.

But as we know your god jesus didn't have a problem with that aspect of man love as he was quite partial to it himself. Needless to say in this day and age I certainly wouldn't entertain the thought of spending the night with a naked young man teaching him secrets I could end up on a sex offenders register.
Seems like jesus was a far more liberal godman back in the first century I mean to say, look what happened to Michael Jackson, and the kid kept his pajamas on all night !!!!

So, it would appear that your god doesn't have a problem with men sleeping together or loving each other just the anal sex but come on, men being men did he really stick to heavy petting with his boys ?

Which then begs the question - When chrsitian bigots are out giving homosexuals a hard time how the hell do they know whether or not they are engaging in anal sex ? Do they spy on them ?

So my friend what exactly do you find perverted ?

Men loving each other just like jesus ?

Men kissing each other, just like jesus ? (granted styles may have changed a bit over the years and in different places)

Men spending the night with naked young men teaching them secrets , just like jesus ?

Men acting in a more gentle manner toward each other just like jesus ?

Men avoiding marriage to a woman and spending the best part of their adult life engaging in loving activities with other men, just like jesus ?


Or is it just anal sex you find perverted ? If so pleas tell me why don't xtians make life for women who engage in anal sex equally as miserable as they do for men that choose litttle pillow munching ?

If the practice of homosexuality is ever totally accepted, than it will finally put the end to humanity even closer than we are today.

The surely as a christian slavering over an invertible end times you should be glad of the situation, after all it would indicate jesus is on his way at last ., What the hell are you complaining about you should be rubbing your hands with glee at the possibility of jesus coming back next week and killing off all those disgusting homos, lesbos, pervs, hookers,gypsies, jews, fat people, withces, demons, ATS trolls.

Did I miss enyone ? Ah yes Ginger people , nice anagram of bigotry that.

There is proof of a flood, there is proof of the city of Babylon, and there is proof of the twin cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. In fact where do the word sodomy come from.

Oh grow up, supply the proof better still start a thread fix your colours to the mast

reply to post by hawaii50th

Show me what your claiming, where does it say to kill a homosexual?

You know, sometimes a get quite tired of doing the homework for ignorant bigots that can't be bothered to read, just incessantly move their mouths.

Here you go , yawn

20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Tell you what I'll throw a few more in for free so I can get entertainment value out of you later

20:27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.

20:14 And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you.

20:12 And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death:

20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

20:9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.

reply to post by hawaii50th

This is how you justify what you are by twisting it around and trying to insinuate that everybody else is like you.

Like I said dude I'm a pretty down to ground heterosexual father of a few kids but even if I was gay why should I have a problem with it.

You on the other hand well, I could be mistaken but you strongly remind me of a few others trying very hard suppress an inner anger for being created differently. Dude it's ok lot's of people really will accept you.

We are on your side so let rip

Originally posted by The Djin
reply to post by hawaii50th

 

Show me what your claiming, where does it say to kill a homosexual?

You know, sometimes a get quite tired of doing the homework for ignorant bigots that can't be bothered to read, just incessantly move their mouths.

Here you go , yawn

20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Tell you what I'll throw a few more in for free so I can get entertainment value out of you later

20:27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.

20:14 And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you.

20:12 And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death:

20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

20:9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.

Leviticus is an amusing read.

On a similar vein, for those of you claiming that certain parts of the bible are not applicable to this time but to a time long gone, I ask you, how do you know? Why do you get to decide which sections apply and which do not? Where does it say that the clauses relating to homosexuality are still for this day and age, but the statement that states that a child who curses their parents should be put to death is not? I honestly don't understand where the fundamentalists, 'I-believe-every-word-of-the-bible' types draw the distinction.

Originally posted by Nocheechako

Originally posted by The Djin
reply to post by minkey53

 

Remember the Flood anyone?

Ahem. evidence anyone ?

World wide geology is saturated with it. But homeosexuality did not bring the flood. Violence did.

I refer you to another ATS thread:
"The Whole Silly Flood Story"

I'm eagerly awaiting your, or anyone else's, presentation of such proof.

reply to post by hawaii50th


Hey Hawaii50th.

I'm sorry to hear about your friend. It sounds like he was a very good friend to you for you to miss him so much. (Btw. I'm not insinuating anything more than just a platonic friendship here. Lots of straight people have that with gay people too.)

I find it hard to understand how someone so dear to you can be seen as a pervert and all the other descriptions you connect with homosexuality. I guess for some people, trying to imagine walking in another person’s shoes and seeing life from a different perspective is hard to do.

If your friend were alive today, would you like to see him happily partnered, raising some kids and doing all the things that we take for granted? I don't know him, he may not have liked or wanted kids but the point is most gay people want to love, be loved, find that special person and yes indeed they do have paternal and maternal instincts like that of us heterosexuals. If there is a god and homosexuality isn’t a choice but a gift like that of love which we all have. Is that not a sign from god? When did love become such a wrong immoral thing? I don’t know.

A gay couple I know have two kids. They love their kids to bits and they are the most open minded, secure, confident, funny, mature young ones I know. Why? Because, most people who seek to adopt, foster or go for surrogacy want to be parents so bad they'll jump through hoops to do it. Sure they have their ups and downs like everyone else, but they feel so lucky to have their kids, in my opinion a great thing. Think how many kids are brought into this world by accident with parents who don't want them. There are lots.

However, this whole debate is about a couple who show homophobic views and wish to foster children. It's not because they are Christians that they have been refused. Just the homophobia they have expressed. I know Christians that don’t view homosexuality the way you or they do. There are very few people in the Christian faith that simply know or understand the whole content of the NT and live their life by it.

The people who place kids into the hands of foster carers will look at the attitudes of the 'would be' parents and they are after all, looking out for the child.
Like I say, there is a chance that a kid placed with them will be gay. There's no way of knowing until a person decides to come out. I've heard and read many horrific stories of people coming out. The pain and rejection they suffer by the very people that should be there to give them the love and support at such a pivotal time in their life is heartbreaking. Those kids in care have already gone through rejection and worse.

Open your mind and heart a little.

reply to post by Kailassa


I am not a big advocate of the Bible, but I ran across this verse in another thread related to the Arkansas Earthquakes, bird deaths, and gathering of Bald Eagles in Iowa. Only the last line was quoted, so I went back to read the whole verse to get some context and I found the verse to be extremely interesting and timely for current events. The bolded part does seem to indicate that men/men and women/women sexual relationships are somehow connected to the Flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, and our current situation that is taking a turn for the worse.

I am no Bible scholar, and only a random bible reader or believer, but since folks were asking for more proof, here is another verse that relates to it:

Luke 17 KJV

26And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

27They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

28Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

29But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

31In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

32Remember Lot's wife.

33Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

34I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

35Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

36Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

37And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Edit to add:
On an unrelated note, this verse seems to indicate that the "Son of Man" will be born during these chaotic times and will be located where the Eagles are gathering, which is happening in Iowa right now. Just FYI.

reply to post by getreadyalready


Them quotes are hard to make any sense of. It sounds like a load of Yoda speak.

So the geezer who was on his house, went into a field?

Then two men in a bed, one is taken.(lots of men in those days would have shared a bed without having sex?)
Then two women grinding in bed, one is taken. Ok, sounds like lesbianism, but they might have been just giving each other a massage?
Then two men in a field, could be the geezer who was on his roof, one was also taken?

It says one who is taken lives on? I'm confused

Offhand it seems to me that the court has now ruled "Individuals are NOT entitled to their opinion, freedom of speech is reserved for cellar-locked discussions"

reply to post by JonoEnglish


And therein lies the trouble with taking the Bible literally or trying to live by it.

For example, "Spare the rod, spoil the child." Is that a command to spare the rod and instead spoil the child, or is that a warning that if you spare the rod, you will spoil the child?

I have to agree with you, I read that passage about 10 times, and it certainly is not clear. I also don't understand why 1 would be taken and 1 would remain? Aren't they both either guilty or innocent? But, somehow entire civilizations have been built and continue to operate upon interpretations of this book.

Originally posted by The Djin
reply to post by hawaii50th

 

What, are you afraid of being exposed, your part of the problem, when someone speaks out against your perversion you strike back with what, nothing more than shut up, I can't stand hearing the truth?

What in the blazes are you talking about ? My perversion ? I can't stand hearing the truth ?

Dude you really are (typically) like miles off base

For your info I don't happen to be gay, don't get me wrong I'm not ignorant enough to not even consider the subject I gave it great consideration but found it unappealing up till know, who knows I could change my mind in time.

I don't find is kissing and caressing another man young or old appealing at all and I've yet to meet a man that I looked at and though hm I'd like to have his lips on mine.

But as we know your god jesus didn't have a problem with that aspect of man love as he was quite partial to it himself. Needless to say in this day and age I certainly wouldn't entertain the thought of spending the night with a naked young man teaching him secrets I could end up on a sex offenders register.
Seems like jesus was a far more liberal godman back in the first century I mean to say, look what happened to Michael Jackson, and the kid kept his pajamas on all night !!!!

So, it would appear that your god doesn't have a problem with men sleeping together or loving each other just the anal sex but come on, men being men did he really stick to heavy petting with his boys ?

Which then begs the question - When chrsitian bigots are out giving homosexuals a hard time how the hell do they know whether or not they are engaging in anal sex ? Do they spy on them ?

So my friend what exactly do you find perverted ?

Men loving each other just like jesus ?

Men kissing each other, just like jesus ? (granted styles may have changed a bit over the years and in different places)

Men spending the night with naked young men teaching them secrets , just like jesus ?

Men acting in a more gentle manner toward each other just like jesus ?

Men avoiding marriage to a woman and spending the best part of their adult life engaging in loving activities with other men, just like jesus ?


Or is it just anal sex you find perverted ? If so pleas tell me why don't xtians make life for women who engage in anal sex equally as miserable as they do for men that choose litttle pillow munching ?

If the practice of homosexuality is ever totally accepted, than it will finally put the end to humanity even closer than we are today.

The surely as a christian slavering over an invertible end times you should be glad of the situation, after all it would indicate jesus is on his way at last ., What the hell are you complaining about you should be rubbing your hands with glee at the possibility of jesus coming back next week and killing off all those disgusting homos, lesbos, pervs, hookers,gypsies, jews, fat people, withces, demons, ATS trolls.

My friend, this was the most insightful and true portrait of Jesus that I have ever heard. You described his love perfectly.

Look at the world we have created. Man has turned on Man. We cannot even look each other in the eye and passionately say I love you. Not from the heart. Only in our most dire circumstances do we form such bonds. Such places as the combet zone. And when we form those bonds in the combat zone, we get to see them ripped to shreds. What MADNESS man has become to only find love through war, then destroy it.

We have grown so distrustful of each other that none of us can drop our guard around another. We will fight to the death to defend our inner self. We have competed for so long, we have forgotten how to work together freely. We have forgotten that it is ok to love a man. It is not about sex, it is about the heart. And judging those who can do this, whether they do so out of sexual attraction or just plain love for humanity, is simply building another wall between us.

We do not need anymore WALLS!

We need to get over our primal urge to dominate each other and love one another. Those who cannot do this will get the judgement they push on others. They will get it in spades.

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by getreadyalready


Hehe...I'm glad it's not just me.

reply to post by IAMIAM


(Jono sends you a big sloppy man kiss, in a hetero way. )

You sound like a decent chap.

I agree with what you say, in an ideal way it would be great to break down the barriers we have and all live in peace.

However, this is the real world. There are people out there that seek to take advantage, steal, hurt, spread hate etc.

You wouldn't last very long in my neighbourhood giving out hetero man love.

Those barriers or walls are about self protection.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by JonoEnglish

 

And therein lies the trouble with taking the Bible literally or trying to live by it.

For example, "Spare the rod, spoil the child." Is that a command to spare the rod and instead spoil the child, or is that a warning that if you spare the rod, you will spoil the child?

I have to agree with you, I read that passage about 10 times, and it certainly is not clear. I also don't understand why 1 would be taken and 1 would remain? Aren't they both either guilty or innocent? But, somehow entire civilizations have been built and continue to operate upon interpretations of this book.

My friend, the problem is people keep forgetting that God is all loving. If the Bible is THE WORD of God, then the message must be interpreted in the most loving way. You could find the message to be one of cruelty and punishment, but that would be YOU following a lesser God that made that determination.

So yes Spare the rod. Man has chosen to use the rod instead. We frighten the child with cruelty and punishment. Look at the world we have cultivated. Through our fears, we have built prisons.

Spoil the child! We have the resources on this planet to ensure not a single soul has to live in it in want. If we focused on us instead of false idols of money, our self, power, and control, we could bring all of our minds into an image of heaven. We could build a paradise here if we spoiled us all.

Every passage in the Bible has a deep message of love that most miss. They always go for the low hanging fruit of power and control. They get the God they ask for. And they build prisons.

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM


I am all for more peace and love, but I don't believe "sparing the rod" or always "turning the other cheek" is practical. A smack on a hand before it touches a hot stove is an act of love. Teaching some idiot to respect your wife or suffer the consequences is an act of love. A violent act of love, LOL!

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by IAMIAM

 

I am all for more peace and love, but I don't believe "sparing the rod" or always "turning the other cheek" is practical. A smack on a hand before it touches a hot stove is an act of love. Teaching some idiot to respect your wife or suffer the consequences is an act of love. A violent act of love, LOL!

And it is because you can justify it that your world now sits on the brink of destruction. You are smacking each others hands with bigger and better weapons. You are using up all of your resources because you are all children judging each other. That is the truth in that passage.

You either believe in it or you don't. There is no middle ground with the word of God. You reap what you sow.

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM


"Spoil the child! We have the resources on this planet to ensure not a single soul has to live in it in want. If we focused on us instead of false idols of money, our self, power, and control, we could bring all of our minds into an image of heaven. We could build a paradise here if we spoiled us all."

Hear hear right on brother .
I wish we had leaders like you unlike the scumbags in power now .
Love conquers all . VALUE your brothers and sisters lives, protect them . This is why we here, to preserve the future of the human race and planet earth .
We need to stop hating each other over differences and rejoice in our true bond of FELLOW human beings .

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by Kailassa

 

I am not a big advocate of the Bible, but I ran across this verse in another thread related to the Arkansas Earthquakes, bird deaths, and gathering of Bald Eagles in Iowa. Only the last line was quoted, so I went back to read the whole verse to get some context and I found the verse to be extremely interesting and timely for current events. The bolded part does seem to indicate that men/men and women/women sexual relationships are somehow connected to the Flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, and our current situation that is taking a turn for the worse.

I am no Bible scholar, and only a random bible reader or believer, but since folks were asking for more proof, here is another verse that relates to it:

Luke 17 KJV

26And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

27They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

28Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

29But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

31In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

32Remember Lot's wife.

33Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

34I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

35Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

36Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

37And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Edit to add:
On an unrelated note, this verse seems to indicate that the "Son of Man" will be born during these chaotic times and will be located where the Eagles are gathering, which is happening in Iowa right now. Just FYI.

Just in case you're serious -


A reference to a myth believed in by the speaker and those of his culture is no indication that the myth refers to an actual event.

Two men sleeping in one bed was not indicative of sex. Men have have slept with other men innocently throughout the ages. Even Abe Lincoln often shared his bed with other men.

Two women grinding? Really, you have to have been watching two much gay porn. Life was more communal in those days, and women carried out their chores together. One of these daily chores was grinding the day's grain. Depending on the diet in the area they may also have been grinding spices.


Oh, regarding Sodom and Gomorrah, their sin was inhospitality. The traditions of these tribes, being accustomed to a dangerously arid and lifeless landscape, held the visitor as sacred. They were to be fed and cared for. The locals wish to rape the "angels" was the ultimate manifestation of inhospitality. Lot's goodness was proven by him inviting the angels into his home, feeding them, and even going to the farthest extreme;
offering the mob his daughters to rape in order to keep his guests safe.

Originally posted by My_Reality
reply to post by Annee

 

Well, I am not gay nor have I raised children. I was more or less speaking about views I would deem logical. You seem to have knowledge on the subject so I will defer to your position for the moment. It makes sense. Perhaps I was speaking from ignorance.

Thank you. I am not gay either. I worked at a company where I was the minority being a straight female.

Needless to say - - talk around the lunch table was very informative - interesting - enlightening - often hilarious - and sometimes very sad.

This was 20+ years ago. Since that time - because of my co-workers who became great friends - I have educated myself even further and have been an Equal Rights advocate ever since.

The gays I worked with I would call "casual business men" - - meaning just your average office guy. Casual business to suits. They considered themselves Men - - not gay men - - Men who happened to be gay. Gays are definitely not a Group Think. They are as individual and as diverse as anyone else. They have one thing in common - - attraction to same sex.