Romanian Discovery |Inscribed Clay Tablets Predating Sumerian Tablets !!!!

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O My God you people ..The Object is not missing . It exists....Is in the museum in Cluj "The history Museum "

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Ok so if this is a fake is the clay tablets presented in the beginning a fake as well? Tartaria tablets a Fake as well?

Everything is fake so lets not worry about anything and live in oblivion ..O never mind why are we even posting something that makes sense on ATS . Go On S&F all the important threads about people levitating in the woods or double sun sorry lens flares or God knows what else.

.Why would we even support a topic that could lead us somewhere ...I am surprised you did not pick on the Bucegi subject as well.....

The A to Z of Moldova

At the University of New York Curator David Anthony said this:

"In the case of the ancient societies that populated Eastern and Southeastern Europe in the period between 5000-4000 B.C., the challenge has proved especially daunting.

The cultures that thrived for centuries across modern-day Bulgaria, Romania, Moldova, Serbia, Macedonia, and Ukraine suddenly collapsed and disappeared.

Only now, with a new exhibit at New York University, are Western audiences becoming acquainted with what curator David Anthony says was the most advanced European civilization of its time.

"These were the first cultures to invent metallurgy in Europe -- that's a major technological achievement," Anthony says.

"The Lost World of Old Europe" exhibit, on view through April 25 at the university's Institute for the Study of the Ancient World, brings together 160 figurines, necklaces, and other decorative objects recovered by archaeologists from the graves, towns, and villages of the region at the time.

Archaeological work was active during the communist era in Eastern and Southeastern Europe. Now, after a long post-Soviet lull, Anthony says global appreciation of Old Europe culture is growing.

Both the ceramic and metal objects on display show an advanced understanding of working with fire and kilns. Societies at the time were also adept at mining, digging as deep as 30 meters to extract gold and copper ore. They also forged numerous trade networks, as one necklace strung with shells from the Aegean Sea attests.

By the standards of prehistoric Europe, the cultures represented in the "Lost World" exhibit showed a high level of social organization.

Anthony says the region was home to the largest human settlements in the world at the time, including towns with populations as large as 10,000 people."
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"The cultural peak of Old Europe marked the early days of development in Mesopotamia, in modern-day Iraq. But even that civilization, with its monumental public architecture, never reached the scale of human settlements recorded on the territory of contemporary Ukraine."

Source: social.moldova.org...

But hey !!!!! We do not believe all this they drilled in the stones and they fabricated this artifacts themselves ..IS ALL A FAKE Harte isn't it ?????

Just Watch This incredible Slide Show from New York Expo of this Artifacts 5000BC You will see how many holes ...perfect ..But do not worry they drilled those wholes afterward ..Is a Fake !!!! Harte will agree with me on this one.
Trust me scroll through this link:

www.nytimes.com...

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Axe

Copper

Cucuteni, Bogdăneşti, 3700-3500 BC ROMANIA

Moldova National Museum Complex, Iaşi: 740

Source:www.nytimes.com...





3700 BC But Hey ...Look they drilled that perfect round hole after Harte will agree on this one too.....)

Double-headed Zoomorphic Vessel

Fired Clay

Vădastra, Vădastra, 5500-5000 BC ROMANIA

National History Museum of Romania, Bucharest: 15858

Source:www.nytimes.com...

Architectural Model

Fired Clay

Gumelniţa, Căscioarele, 4600-3900 BC ROMANIA

National History Museum of Romania, Bucharest: 12156

Source: www.nytimes.com...




You see this 4000BC Artifact ????ATS Member Harte will prove to you that all those wholes are drilled after the artifact was discovered ..No sorry is a Fake )

Set of Twenty-one Figurines and Thirteen Chairs

Fired Clay

Cucuteni, Poduri-Dealul Ghindaru, 4900-4750 BC ROMANIA

Neamţ County Museum Complex, Piatra Neamţ: 10095-10128, 10703

Source:www.nytimes.com...




I think this one is very interesting

Since there is a bit of confusion, probably resulting from not reading the whole translated article, here's a summary:

- The thing exists, it's in a museum, and the authors of the article themselves even at the end stated that in this case, the rare artifact does exist and is sitting on the table right next to them as they write. It exists.

- It's made up of mostly aluminum with a bit of copper and much smaller amounts of other metals.

- It looks like an excavator bucket tooth. I looked around the internet and while I could not find a history of excavator bucket teeth (EBT) or anything on their manufacturing process, the only EBT I saw for sale were available in carbon steel or alloy steel which had manganese or magnesium in it. I can't remember. But not aluminum.

- Anodization results in oxidation layers up to ~150 micrometers = 0.15 millimeters. At least, that's what wikipedia says. Not 1mm as described in the article. I am assuming, however that wikipedia is only talking about industrial applications of anodizing metals. Maybe if you left the current on for way too long it would make a thicker layer?

- If it's an EBT than it can't be that old. When were EBT first used? Not too long ago (certainly not a couple hundred years).

- Aluminum rarely has a perfectly smooth surface and so as it oxidizes the oxide layer will gradually grow (due to imperfections in the metal preventing the oxide from creating an air-tight film).

So it could be an EBT. Seems like it's a similar size. The smooth inner surface of the holes is because the holes were cut recently, after it was discovered, to take a sample. The holes mentioned in the article are on one face of the wedge and another on the base of the wedge. Those holes are both oxidized heavily.

It's unlikely that EBT were made with aluminum-copper alloy, especially since the time EBT have had a purpose in this world (heavy machinery), steel and better metals have been around and in used as default industrial metals.

Maybe somebody made an aluminum cast of an EBT and then anodized it hardcore and then buried it 10 meters underground. Or it's just really, really old.

To Lisa 2012

Thank you for such fascinating information, I have enjoyed reading this and learned a lot and have certainly gained much admiration for the skills of the Europeans of that area. I always assumed that Sumer had been the start for writing etc and have read a certain amount about the clay tablets found in the library of Lagash? etc (Don't have my reference books with me).

Its mind blowing that those tablets pre-date Sumer, but I 'm not surprised simply because homo sapiens is thought to have been around for something like 100,000 years and to put it bluntly, there is no way with our brains we would have sat around in a cave twiddling our thumbs for 90,000 years.

I did see a new civilisation has been discovered in Northern China, so archaelogically we are in revealing times.

Originally posted by lisa2012
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O My God you people ..The Object is not missing . It exists....Is in the museum in Cluj "The history Museum "

Sorry. I thought I read in this thread that it was missing.

I'm not gonna look back through the thread, I'll take your word for it. I guess.

Originally posted by lisa2012
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Originally posted by lisa2012
Ok so if this is a fake is the clay tablets presented in the beginning a fake as well? Tartaria tablets a Fake as well?

Everything is fake so lets not worry about anything and live in oblivion ..O never mind why are we even posting something that makes sense on ATS . Go On S&F all the important threads about people levitating in the woods or double sun sorry lens flares or God knows what else.

Mischaracterize much?

.Why would we even support a topic that could lead us somewhere ...I am surprised you did not pick on the Bucegi subject as well.....

Didn't bother to read it. Does it have supposed "ancient" artifacts made of aluminum and recently drilled as well?

To respond to the rest of your raving posts: Obviously, I didn't say ancient man couldn't drill. I said the holes in the "artifact" were recently drilled. Otherwise, the interior of the holes would be as oxidized as the rest of the part. I can see that the inside of the holes is not oxidized and, as I said, I know what I'm talking about concerning aluminum.
Regarding your 7,000 year old pottery, the Jomon culture was firing pottery a full 11,000 years earlier than this. Your copper pickaxe indicates it is from the Copper Age experienced by that area and is not particularly surprising.

Even Neandertals were drilling holes in beads, a hundred thousand years before your copper axe was made.

However, the holes they (and other ancients) drilled in artifacts show the same amount of oxidation or degradation that the rest of the artifact displays. That is not the case with your aluminum part. Hence, I say it's not ancient. That is what I mean by "fake."

Unless, of course (as Parta said,) the Romanians decided to drill two holes in it. I admit, that possibility entered my mind and I dismissed it. However, I don't know any Romanians. It could be that I give them too much credit.

Harte

Just in case anyone is confused about the recently drilled hole here is a close up of it

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Originally posted by Harte
And the object is now "missing." Riiiight.

Ah I get it now... just toss out any old comment without actually reading the material. Typical tactic, right?

:shk:

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I know plenty about aluminum. You want facts? Here's one - the holes are new. How can that be in an "ancient" artifact?

If someone decided to redrill that spot to do testing... I know very bad form, but that DID happen according to the available material. When I have time I will go back an pull it up, but your 'methods' of gathering info don't really motivate me . Perhaps I will do it for the others

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Well as Harte pointed out aluminum doesn't oxidize that much. I bet on a smooth surface it would get a very thing coating that would wash off easily. To me that object looks like a rough casting that was never completed
So just how much would a hole like that oxidize? I mean we have an aluminum 'expert' here tight?

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In my opinion the area that 'seems' oxidized is the area that was in contact with earth, stones, water etc while the excavator bucket was in use, the hole which appears shinier would of been in contact with a rod running through it protecting it from the dirt and bumps the exposed part received.

Im not 100% sure the exposed area has been oxidized, I think its just battered and dirty from use.

This seems to be the problem with any new discovery. Since we live in our kozy little homes with tv, internet and so on, It can't be possible for any of this stuff to exist, or can it? We have been so conditioned to accept whatever we have been told that most people don't even have a clue as to how to think outside the box.

Here is the smoking gun burried for a long time and verified by experts to be authentic and yet people still can't accept the reality of it. I guess until the human race starts to wake up none of these things will matter at all.

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Harte
And the object is now "missing." Riiiight.

Ah I get it now... just toss out any old comment without actually reading the material. Typical tactic, right?

:shk:

So, you don't accept my apology?

Do you often see me apologizing here at ATS?

Of course, the answer is no. So, how is this mistake I made (and admitted to) a "typical tactic?"

Ah I get it now... dwell on a mistake a poster made, admitted to and apologized for. Typical tactic, right? At least, for someone with absolutely nothing to add.
:shk:

I know plenty about aluminum. You want facts? Here's one - the holes are new. How can that be in an "ancient" artifact?

Originally posted by zorgon
If someone decided to redrill that spot to do testing... I know very bad form, but that DID happen according to the available material. When I have time I will go back an pull it up, but your 'methods' of gathering info don't really motivate me

. Perhaps I will do it for the others

I've tested several hundred thousand metal samples in my time. It takes virtually no material at all to do this.

A "spark" analysis leaves a small (and I mean tiny) spot on the surface. X-ray flourescence can tell you the content wiithout removing any metal at all.

If you want to know what the hole is or and why it's so shiny, Versa explained it perfectly.

I doubt the thing is an excavator tooth, if it is aluminum. But I don't doubt there was a pin that went through the hole.

The thing is not what it has been claimed to be in this thread.

Harte

When I showed this to my husband who worked building planes at Boeing for 15 years, he immediately said it looked like part of a landing gear.

When I shared with him this discussion regarding it possibly being an excavator tooth, he said that it didnt' make sense, because "heavy equipment" is usually made of steel because steel is heavy and more durable. And that airplane parts are made of aluminum because they are lighter weight which is important for aircraft.

Just an opinion, not a scientific analysis.

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Thank You Harte for your input I understand you did not see the artifact was still existing. No worries.I hope more people will come forward with new artifacts and new info. Lets all work together make as much as is possible available as info for the public.

The other problem that arises in a situation like this is the fact motives for a lot of claims are made thru books that have been published and you have to decide whether the author was just trying to sell books or really had a sincere interest in the subject. Somehow in today's it seems like nobody does anything just for the sake of mankind. People always have an alterior motive either involving money, fame. Why else are so many biblical artifacts found to be fraudulent. I hope more information on this subject can be brought foward so others will believe it is authentic.

The reason I brought this up is some of the claims in the book regarding the hall of records seems to be pretty far fetched and some sort of proof would go a long way toward validating the story. Unlike this thread where there is physical evidence and goes a long way toward dispelling historians view of our past.

very interesting read, these tablets sure are old!

Originally posted by lisa2012
Architectural Model

Fired Clay

Gumelniţa, Căscioarele, 4600-3900 BC ROMANIA

National History Museum of Romania, Bucharest: 12156

Source: www.nytimes.com...




You see this 4000BC Artifact ????ATS Member Harte will prove to you that all those wholes are drilled after the artifact was discovered ..No sorry is a Fake

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are you seriously trying to compare that artefact with this one?

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