Is the Internet Being Used (right now) to Start World War III?

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


No offense to you but it matters not what country you are in, you have natural born rights and that MAKES you a Citizen of your "country" and not a subject/citizen. That is what I was refering too. No need to calm down as I was not upset, it is a legal requirement though when speaking to the ones who "believe" they are in control. Man came first, he created government to serve him. Most of us know, from threads created here and elsewhere, that all governments are basically corporations and function as such. We remove ourselves from the "public domain" and into the "private domain" and so TPTB have no jurisdiction.

I do not believe for a second that I am in control of my computer or interent functions and don't really give a damn. I WANT the Elitist to know that I will not tolerate their crap and I will do what I can to edcuate the little ones to the fraud and misdeeds of the more well to do.

As for registering, NO, you RECORD it into the public record that YOU are the controlling party to the property and that it IS private property and not public property. Recording is the correct legal function. Again, when you register anything you transfer control of it and transfer the rights to it to the agency you are registering it with. That is a fact.

Proto, I know what you are saying and the ones who "believe" they control everything can't even control themselves. How in the world can they think they can subvert the whole of the world and remove us. Those of us who know what is happening and why and are enlightened enough to discuss it in a civilized and violent free manner are not a physical threat, but a dark threat, coming from the shadows and bringing people into the light. Errr wait, is that not what Freemasonry was SUPPOSED to do? Guess the fellas got it all wrong and are keeping idiotic, self-serving secrets that don't matter anymore.

I look forward to the developments, it is a shame that innocent people are dying left and right and what for? Can't for the life of me figure that one completely out. But I guess the Elite find that entertaining?

Originally posted by Josephus23
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Great points once again my brother...

The most entertaining aspect (another bad analogy) to this entire debacle is that we DO have the leverage to take back what is rightfully ours.
And that leverage is us, we thee people.
Contrary to popular myth, the entire US money supply is backed by something.
It is not completely worthless fiat currency like everyone believes...

It is backed by tax dollars that are the gain of the sweat and labor of The US American Worker Bee.

It's called the first 13 Amendments to the US Constitution.
Oh yeah.... And repeal every signing statement from the time of Abe Lincoln, who first declared martial law in 1863, and we have been living in that same state ever since.
(tell me peanut gallery, did you know we have two flags in America: one for peace and one for war. Link to explanations and examples. When is the last time you even heard that we flew a different flag when we were not at war? Because the horizontal stars and bars is a WARTIME flag only, and it is consequently the only US flag, other than the admiralty flag, that we have ever known. Seems to me like we have been at WAR since, well, at least since my birth)

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Did you know there are 5 different Constitutions for the U.S. and U.S.A.? In the federal code there is appoximately 450 defintions for the "U.S." and only one refers to the "American States", how is that? And as for the flag, I think there is three or four different ones, small differences that no one pays attention to.

As for the tax dollars being the intrinsic value for the fiat currency, it is not the tax dollars but your hours of labor. Your name is traded on the international stock market and your production is recorded and that is what gives value to your "bond" created from your birth certificate. You are worth and estimated $15-50 million dollars and you can rightfully claim the account number and "Accept for Value" and "Return for Discharge" all your debt.

HJR-192 made it illegal to pay a public debt when FDR took the gold from the publics hands. He who has the gold, pays the bills!!!!

Also, look into filing a 1041, Estate and Trust. YOU are the fiduciary for the trust, the beneficiary. How much did you spend to keep the fictional you alive for the year? Claim that back!! I was not greedy and have claimed $35,000 back for 2008. Haven't seen the check yet but we will see. I know many people have done this and it does work. The IRS is not a government agency but an Agency of the IMF, the operate through the auspices of the ATF as a government agency, but they are not.

From what I know, a 1041 can not be audited nor can they levy against it. It is a trust account, the one created in your name and bearing the account number which is your SSN. Simple really when you know what to do and how to do it.

Edit to add, the original 13th amendment should be re-instated as it would remove ANY and ALL lawyers from congress. You can not be a lawyer/british agent and serve in Congress.

BAR = British Accredited Registry

Originally posted by daddio

As for registering, NO, you RECORD it into the public record that YOU are the controlling party to the property and that it IS private property and not public property. Recording is the correct legal function. Again, when you register anything you transfer control of it and transfer the rights to it to the agency you are registering it with. That is a fact.

Sorry but when I use my cars registration and make sure the authorities know it's on the road i am not transferring control of my car, it's my car and i can drive it where i like, they do not own it, they cannot take it, it's my private property. Yet i still register it.

Registering a vote really isn't a problem if the vote counts, the problem is votes mean very little at the moment because for every person who is informed and makes an informed choice, 100 will vote for the party whos propoganda has worked, and that usually means the party with the most funding.

This is why I believe all parties should have the same funding limit for their entire campaign, I also believe it should come from tax payers, that eliminates private sponsorship. This is a big step in the right direction but other laws need to be put into place, like paying politicians on a sliding scale, rewarding performance.

reply to post by daddio


Great explanation of what I was trying to convey.

We have much more power afforded to us by the US Constitution than we are told to believe that we do, but people are too afraid to exercise their natural born rights granted by God from birth to actually change the demonic system of control that currently keeps the American populace complacent and deceitfully happy in operation mindfuque.

Thanks for the add on explanation of the ORIGINAL 13th Amendment. I should have explained myself better.
Lawyers are nothing but glorified law clerks. They swear their allegiance to the temple bar found in the inner square mile in the Corporation of the City of London and are termed "esquires" for a reason.
Esquire is a term of nobility, like knight or sir. Think squire.

Great explanation daddio. star.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


If someone else would please chime in here to explain to ImaginaryReality1984, you do not "own" your auto, you "think" or "believe" you do as a passive measure to keep you duped. The world is run by the UCC, the Uniform Commercial Code, all law is that of commerce. Is your name in ALL capital letters on your "drivers license" or your title to your auto? Then you do not own it.

I went without a license for years, till I met a wonderful woman and she was afraid of me getting pulled over with her kids in the car. I had been stopped numerous times before I met her and had no problems. But to appease her i obtained a "license". I did sign it though John-Henry: Doe, Agent. The administrator at the DMV gave me a funny look and then I demanded he staple my "Power of Attorney in Fact", which I had recorded with the state as part of my UCC-1 and Security Agreement, I got the license in the mail and sure enough they kept my "Agent" signature. The "license" is null and void for all intents and purpose, I am the controlling party and the policy enforcement officers have absolutely NO jurisdcition when I am pulled over. I invoke my Soveregin rights to operate MY private property.

I you "believe" you own anything, well, good for you. Peace of mind IS priceless, but in reality it sucks when you know the truth and don't know what to do. This is why we trya nd educate the general public with conferences and the like. But some people chose the "Tea Party" approach of group stupidity. It is up to each and every one of us to act individually and then collectively AFTER we make ourselves Sovereign. It does not work any other way.

You are owned until YOU, the flesh and blood you, say differently TO the "corporation/State".

reply to post by daddio


We own nothing daddio. Your friend imaginaryreality1984 needs to understand the difference between a title and a certificate of title.

And this can be answered by one simple question. If we own things outright, then why do we have to pay taxes on the things that we OWN?

Hmmmmm.......

Because we do not own them. We more or less are allowed the privileges of ownership while being a tenant.
This includes our house, our car, our boat, hell anything of real value.

We were meant to be an ownership society and ironically enough this was all due to a hard fought battle with Alexander "the bastard" Hamilton. (who died at the hand of Aaron Burr in a duel over the role of the national bank in this new country).

At one time, we (as in citizens) owned what we possessed. We did not pay taxes on it, and the money for state projects came from state taxes, whereas the money for Federal projects came from tariffs and corporate income taxes only. NONE WAS FROM TAXING THE CITIZEN'S PERSONAL PROPERTY OR INCOME.

But you see.... All of this changed when towns began to incorporate and use their combined credit to leverage loans, or "bonds" as they are called, in order to finance the town's budget.
This was a ridiculous move because it allowed the townships to spend more than they brought in, which leads to eventual bankruptcy.
Before that, no one spent more than was collected in taxes and the only national debt that we had was due to war.

We are a straight up socialist state. You own NOTHING. Look at your title for your house, you are listed as as tenant and not an owner.
The bank/government own the house and always will.

That is why we pay so many ridiculous taxes. We have to pay it or we lose it.
Taxes are currently more like a "borrowing" fee.

This article definitely belongs in this thread. I remember not too long ago I mentioned that Saudi Arabia was sitting atop the largest gold reserves in the world. Not to mention all the oil resources. It was DimensionalDetective who brought this to our attention and the link to his thread is below the article.

Saudis mobilise thousands of troops to quell growing revolt

Although desperate to avoid any outside news of the extent of the protests spreading, Saudi security officials have known for more than a month that the revolt of Shia Muslims in the tiny island of Bahrain was expected to spread to Saudi Arabia. Within the Saudi kingdom, thousands of emails and Facebook messages have encouraged Saudi Sunni Muslims to join the planned demonstrations across the "conservative" and highly corrupt kingdom. They suggest – and this idea is clearly co-ordinated – that during confrontations with armed police or the army next Friday, Saudi women should be placed among the front ranks of the protesters to dissuade the Saudi security forces from opening fire. If the Saudi royal family decides to use maximum violence against demonstrators, US President Barack Obama will be confronted by one of the most sensitive Middle East decisions of his administration.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by jackflap


Let's cross our fingers if this works, staging a massive anti-government protest and putting the women up front, does lead to the government forces firing on them, we will have finally figured out a way to get rid of our wives!

It's the possibility to innovate through the Internet that I think gives it, it's real potential!

I suddenly feel new surge of optimism for this process!

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Thanks for the laugh my friend! I like that one. I was bumbed out because I was watching this video that I'm going to share. Consider this another musical intermission. I know I've used this song before but this video is a lot more modern! I'll tell you friend, I went blind when I learned to see.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by jackflap

 

Let's cross our fingers if this works, staging a massive anti-government protest and putting the women up front, does lead to the government forces firing on them, we will have finally figured out a way to get rid of our wives!

Ah wait a minute here, those same government forces would open fire on men, it's those crazy war mongering men we need to get rid of, you got it backwords Proto.

reply to post by jackflap


That was a great find jackflap and it got me to thinking....

Agreed concerning the humorous and musical interlude, and the ability to rid the world of a few gold digging ex-wives sounds quite entertaining, but in keeping with the OP, may I play devil's advocate.

First, human shields are a HORRIBLE idea.

-It is a waste of human life, cuz... they are going to die.
-The soldiers whose duty is to kill them are placed in a confounding moral dilemma that will haunt them for the rest of their lives.
-It is a last resort that does nothing but prove an eventually pointless-point, because it is whitewashed throughout history to mitigate the destructive powers of TPTB. (see tiananmen square)

Second, all of those reserves that are at stake in Saudi Arabia will be further consolidated toward Western control, unless the people of Saudi Arabia have a truly revolutionary plan already in order for what to do when/if they actually achieve a true democracy and not a puppet democracy.

This is what I keep preaching about by referring to a reaction versus a revolution.

"The biggest problem with the world today is that we are in desperate need of good ideas" - T. McKenna

Originally posted by Aquarius1

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by jackflap

 

Let's cross our fingers if this works, staging a massive anti-government protest and putting the women up front, does lead to the government forces firing on them, we will have finally figured out a way to get rid of our wives!

Ah wait a minute here, those same government forces would open fire on men, it's those crazy war mongering men we need to get rid of, you got it backwords Proto.

I gotta agree with you Aquarius. Men are the direct cause of these problems, not women...
It's a shame that women and children will be used as bullet catches to protect the "noble" Saudi men.

I will say however, that at a certain times of the month, a woman might be liable to blow up the whole friggin' earth in a PMS rage.
(THAT WAS A JOKE)

Edit to add:
Okay, so it was a bad sexist joke, but it was still just a joke. Mea Culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa. Father I have sinned and all that jazz.
Now will I be forgiven?

Originally posted by Josephus23
reply to post by daddio

 

We own nothing daddio. Your friend imaginaryreality1984 needs to understand the difference between a title and a certificate of title.

And this can be answered by one simple question. If we own things outright, then why do we have to pay taxes on the things that we OWN?

Hmmmmm.......

Because we do not own them. We more or less are allowed the privileges of ownership while being a tenant.
This includes our house, our car, our boat, hell anything of real value.

We were meant to be an ownership society and ironically enough this was all due to a hard fought battle with Alexander "the bastard" Hamilton. (who died at the hand of Aaron Burr in a duel over the role of the national bank in this new country).

At one time, we (as in citizens) owned what we possessed. We did not pay taxes on it, and the money for state projects came from state taxes, whereas the money for Federal projects came from tariffs and corporate income taxes only. NONE WAS FROM TAXING THE CITIZEN'S PERSONAL PROPERTY OR INCOME.

But you see.... All of this changed when towns began to incorporate and use their combined credit to leverage loans, or "bonds" as they are called, in order to finance the town's budget.
This was a ridiculous move because it allowed the townships to spend more than they brought in, which leads to eventual bankruptcy.
Before that, no one spent more than was collected in taxes and the only national debt that we had was due to war.

We are a straight up socialist state. You own NOTHING. Look at your title for your house, you are listed as as tenant and not an owner.
The bank/government own the house and always will.

That is why we pay so many ridiculous taxes. We have to pay it or we lose it.
Taxes are currently more like a "borrowing" fee.

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The IRS is not a U.S. Government Agency. It is an Agency of the IMF
( Diversified metal Products v. IRS etal. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I.,
Public Law 94-564, Senate Report 94-1148 pg. 5967, Reorganization Plan
No. 26, Public Law 102-391.)

When will the people wake up. Again, the internet can be a tool for good or it can be a tool for bad. I think it does more good than bad, but who knows?

reply to post by daddio


While it is quite refreshing to see another who understands the intricate loopholes in UCC law that have allowed us to devolve from a republic to a socialist state, this is still an uphill battle my friend.

I gave an hour lecture to one of my criminology classes about the concepts of jury nullification, the difference between common law and "statutory law" (which only exists as a part of admiralty law btw...), and the true meanings of the totally unconstitutional 14th Amendment, 16th Amendment, and 17th Amendment.

No one listens, all while we are facing a propaganda machine of overwhelming proportions.
The fight seems all but lost, but we have one thing that will always trump in the end.

The TRUTH.

Cheers my well schooled friend.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

It would be nice if protestors actually had a plan, but alas my friend all they really have is an idea, and an abstract one at best.

That is just an assumption on your part my friend. How do you know they don't have a plan? What time frame do you assume they should have achieved success? Revolutions are not won in a single battle

To give you a notion of whats the difference between an idea and a plan, let's look at that fun game the Powers that Be use the U.S. Military for called "Regime Change".

It starts out with a lot of intelligence on the ground and indentifies things like where are the resources, you will need those to feed and sustain a popultion so identifying where they are is a really big element, where are the government buildings and ministries, these are the building blocks of the society, getting their people out and your people in is essential. What does the grid look like, you need a good map so you can mark all these things and devise routes to gain control of them efficiently, where are the broadcast centers, radio, tv, cellular phone, internet etc, where are the power stations and substations, where are emergency fuel and grain supplies.

Remember this is a non-violent revolution. The youth council has several media outlets they have been speaking on. They could not take over the power stations substations grain supplies etc. without violence. That was not their plan and why should it be this is non-violent not a military take over. And what makes you think they have not been gathering intelligence for years and making connections in the military etc.?

You are going to want to figure out how many people you need to control these things, and yes, you really are going to want people who know how to run an electrical grid taking over the power station and people who know how to run a cellular grid taking over the phone companies, ect. etc.

Why? How about the people already running them as their daily job? Again I think you are overlooking the fact that this was a non-violent revolution. They want more freedom so they are not killing their country men to take over the country, they are empowering the power of the people to stop conforming to dictatorship so your idea of what should be a plan as in violent take over does not apply here.

You of course are going to want suitable transportation to both take these over and for key personnel to get around back and forth once they have.

You are going to want a hierarchy of a clear chain of command and secure communications so they can converse back and forth with one another on progress and then to run the show when you take over.

Ideally you have written some kind of constitution or plan for government that you can post on every telephone and light pole and public building etc.

You are describing a violent take over. Read Gene Sharps book they are following it quite literally in non-violent action.

Your going to need some cash, well lot's of cash to pay people and bribe people to get it all up and running.

It's all ready up and running by ordinary citizens, all they need to do is continue to do their daily jobs. I think that is what you are overlooking here, non-violent revolution. Where the people just take back their power by shear numbers. No need to control resources and take ground in a military style assault. Just stop conforming to dictatorship in mass.

You need to have some very identifiable leaders to both run it and put a face to it all.

They do the Revolutionary Youth Council has come to the fore front as the leaders. and they want to hold elections. So no one has declared themselves the new dictator. Right out of the Gene Sharp play book.

That's more or less a plan.

For violent take over yes. However you are missing the mark my friend on this if you think that is the only viable plan.

The War Department would spend months to years formulating and mapping out such a plan and pulling all the elements together and then staging them.

Going down to the square to carry placards and signs and sing and make chants is more or less an idea.

A very general idea, that is designed to rid the people of something at best, but not to create any real viable substitute at all.

An Idea that worked in the tradition of Ghandi and MLK. It can work if done in mass as they have proven. You are "assuming" they have no viable substitute. They want democratic elections that is their substitute. That takes some time. The non-violent protests ousting the dictator is just the first step, Elections are the next step. Again I think you miss the mark by claiming they have no plan because they did not follow a violent take over plan and take over everything in one felled swoop. That is what they are seeking to avoid; another dictatorship.

Hence you have Martial Law now under a pretty guise of a military dictatorship and if you want to say that's an accidental or unforseen byproduct then what you are basically saying is the planning on the part of the people SUCKED!

I did not say that was an accidental unforeseen byproduct. I said is was a calculated risk knowing the possible consequences. And the Gene Sharp method actually advises against it if possible but does not rule it out as sometimes necessary. However you say it is martial law. I don't see military check points and the all the trappings of martial law, just people going on with their lives etc. looking forward to promised elections. I agree it is a very dangerous and the military is not likely to comply with thier promise of elections, however I would bet money there will be millions in the streets again if they do not. Their little crack down was a small group compared to the millions in the original protest so it is suspect.

You say the planning sucked. There are many variables in a revolution that cannot be planned for. What do you suggest they planned to do in a non-violent revolution if the military cracks down hard? Their plan was to oust the dictator and hold elections instead. First part of the plan is accomplished. The military has agreed to this also, so at this point it is going according to plan even with the military crack down on a "FEW" people. (Which is not a good sign but it is what it is.)

Now when it comes to real planning, the kind our military does lets throw in another real portion of their plans, get the people to protest and agitate, and cause chaos and make the government spend precious time and resources dealing with them!

Get them ideally to want what you want, or at least enough of them to stick on CNN to sell that to the American people and now you can justify a take over with your very real plan, because the people who you tricked and manipulated into protesting and putting pressure on the government that both they and you want to get rid of had no plan to sieze control and run the country at all.

In part because you helped make sure there never was a plan developed by them by infecting their conversations with propaganda and bots, and told them they didn't really need a plan, just to go out and do what's convenient for you to your plan!

This is where we disagree. You can't trick people into risking their lives for freedom. They have to have wanted their freedoms for a long time to the point of risking their lives. Another sign that you are wrong here my friend is the fact that the protests were non-violent. The military industrial complex would have preferred violent protests and more chaos so they could ride in on the white horse and save everyone. I have no doubt they have used bots and tried to control this but this is far more then the bots "tricking" them into a willy nilly protests. And as I haves said they have a plan it is just not a violent takeover as you describe and assert a plan should be.

What would be a bad idea is yet more nations following this disastrous blueprint by making up pie in the sky stories about how great and noble it is to throw a great big monkey wrench into the existing order, without any plan at all for a new order, and order period.

Well my friend I can see your point if you believe the only possible plan is a violent military type take over as you described. However I disagree and find the whole non-violent plan refreshing. Everyone should really read the Gene Sharp book www.abovetopsecret.com... . Non-violent doesn't mean no casualties, however he explains why it means less and it makes a lot of sense even to someone like me who would be prepared to fight for freedom. And the protests have proven it. Even in Libya where the government cracked down. How many more casualties would there be if the protesters were violent and fighting back?

It is what it is, and bottom line, without planning, leaders, coordination, chains of command, clear objectives, ones that put you in control of the renewable resources that sustain a urban population you haven't won anything but 10 seconds of fame on CNN.

It really is simple, and if you need fairy tales to summon the courage to do something equally ill thought out, you will end up with the same or worse bad results.

Pretty simple.

Well there are leaders, planning, and clear objectives. Only military take overs seek to control resources. The urban population sustains themselves. The idea that someone needs to be in control of urban sustenance military style is a misnomer. The people make society function not the government. Government control of these things constitutes dictatorship which is what they had and got rid of.

The Revolutionary Youth council are the leaders, the planning is non violent, and the clear objective is democratic elections and freedom by government of the people through elections.

I usually agree with you my friend but you are off the mark on this one IMO, it is not as simple as planning a violent take over which is what you are basing your premise on. This is different, it is non violent and it is people and freedom based through non-violent action. It could fail but then so could a violent take over as many have.

I think it is too soon to jump to the conclusion they have lost and the military has implemented a new dictatorship. It is a dangerous time for them and if that turns out to be true I would bet money millions will take to the streets again at some point. Revolutions non-violent or violent are not won with one battle. This is just one battle there will be more, mark my words!

reply to post by hawkiye


Okay....

Just to play devil's advocate, I understand that we are assuming that they do not have a plan.
You are correct in that and....
You are right that this is speculation beyond the data and based upon correlations only, but tell me.....

Tell me ONE other time in the HISTORY of HISTORY that the people have actually succeeded in a revolution followed by a plan (do not try to play the American and French Revolutions.... Look how they turned out. That is a completely different argument)

Revolutions are never TRUE REVOLUTIONS, but reactions, which are normally provoked in order to bring in the new ruling aristocracy that bows down to the corporate wishes of the international banksters.

Name ONE OTHER TIME.....

Name HOW MANY COUNTRIES HAVE NATIONAL BANKS TIED TO THE BIS.

Name THE COUNTRIES IN THE US DOMINATED UN.

This is a consolidation. I am inspired by your optimism, but history tells me that this is yet another in a series of the same. Ordo ab Chao.

reply to post by Josephus23


South Korea's labor uprisings in the 1980ties.

www.koreatimes.co.kr...

Historical suppression of unions detonated explosive events in summer 1987, when Koreans won democracy after almost a decade of struggle. Union membership soared. So did industrial disputes: between July and September, over 3,000 conflicts occurred, exceeding the total number in the previous two decades. Some were spectacular: Seoul deployed helicopters, landing craft and more riot policemen to break up a strike at Hyundai than the British government had used soldiers to recapture the Falkland Islands. Wages soared across industries. The early-mid 1990s were the heyday of union activism; a general strike in 1997 forced the Kim Young-sam administration to back down from changes to labor laws. But in 1998, with the specter of mass layoffs hovering due to the Asian economic crisis, a Tripartite Commission, formed of representatives of government, management and labor was formed to mediate industrial disputes.

The U.S, has a very long history of labor revolts that were very successful.

reply to post by poet1b


Touche' and an excellent retort my friend; however, your reply is mostly a half truth as it is seen through glasses colored with a tinge of misplaced or misinterpreted optimism.

I did want to give you a star for the excellent reply Btw....

I have to run, but please give me a chance to reply when I return.

Ciao....

reply to post by Josephus23


Okay....

Just to play devil's advocate, I understand that we are assuming that they do not have a plan.
You are correct in that and....
You are right that this is speculation beyond the data and based upon correlations only, but tell me.....

Thanks for prefacing your comments with this. This goes both ways. That fact is we don't have all the data either way and only time will tell how things play out.

Tell me ONE other time in the HISTORY of HISTORY that the people have actually succeeded in a revolution followed by a plan (do not try to play the American and French Revolutions.... Look how they turned out. That is a completely different argument)

Well you lost me here right out of the gate. How is this a completely different argument? People have been clamouring for freedom for centuries. If this revolution in the middles east succeeds in bringing vastly more freedom to the region it will be as far reaching as the French and American revolutions were to the west. All revolutions have elements on common so I don't see how you can say it is not applicable to the argument

So there is two in history !

Revolutions are never TRUE REVOLUTIONS, but reactions, which are normally provoked in order to bring in the new ruling aristocracy that bows down to the corporate wishes of the international banksters.

I disagree. Revolutions cannot be provoked at will. They only happen after long trains of abuses on the people sometimes going back generations. It is true the Elite try and sometimes do hijack the sentiment of the people and can and do turn it to their advantage but that does not make it contrived.

The Hunger for freedom is real. And even in the American revolution despite the behind the scenes motives and doings most people are unaware of the people gained a measure of freedom the world had never seen before and it took nearly a couple hundred years for the banking interest to fully subjugate them according to plan. Hence there is another revolution brewing as people become aware of those designs. You cant incite people to revolt artificially just using bots etc. Their has to be something real they desire to revolt against. Oppression is real hence any revolt against it is real.

Name HOW MANY COUNTRIES HAVE NATIONAL BANKS TIED TO THE BIS.

Name THE COUNTRIES IN THE US DOMINATED UN.

The banking scheme is crumbling, they know it, they knew it from the beginning, that it could not last for ever and their plan is to reboot it like they did in the 1930's deflating the bubble so they can re-inflate it for another 50 years devastating millions. Of course they will put a new dress on it and different color lipstick and herald it as the saviour of all our economic woes. However this will not quell the growing hunger for freedom and equality.

This is a consolidation. I am inspired by your optimism, but history tells me that this is yet another in a series of the same. Ordo ab Chao.

History also tells us that things do not change over night. Also the past does not equal the present. We are not doomed to just repeat the mistakes of the past. Despite our problems we do have a greater measure of freedom in many areas then in the past. One area is information. I think that one of the problems is people are looking for a solution that will fix all our problems and give us instant freedom etc. in one felled swoop. This is not possible at this time simply due to the fact of human diversity and the different levels many people are at. The middle east for instance has been stuck in 7th century culture for thousands of years so they are finally just now beginning to really desire to move into the present hence all the upheaval.

The present is not perfect and now even in the first world, revolution is in the air. But there is a definite trend toward non-violent action. That is a huge shift really. Just a few years ago I would have pooed pooed that sentiment based on history. However there is a reason we have left some history behind and there is still some we need to leave behind and one of them is violence. I realize it will take a long time for that to fully be realized and would never decry self defense however the point is change does not come over night. Things in history have dragged along for centuries until reaching a point of tension and we made a leap forward.

The American revolution is a good point on that. It may have been somewhat contrived to a degree however there were many American patriots really fighting for their freedom and gained it for a measure of time. And even though we have backslide it was still a leap forward that changed the thinking of the world forever in regards to freedom. We are approaching another point of tension everyone can feel it, even TPTB, they know it will come whether they like it or not so they try to control it to their advantage. That is what is really going on. However if enough of the masses wake up they can't control it.

That is what happened in the American revolution. The Crown planned for a quick 2 year campaign as a money making venture and to quell the revolutionary sentiment they knew was in the air. They never bargained for a determined sustained fight by real patriots for real freedom. Realizing they were losing money they ceased military operations and pretended to surrender as long as they got their monies repaid. So the patriots got their freedoms for a few generations and the British Crown got their money. But now they are getting their money through the IRS and people are waking up to it. And of course the police state is being implemented to quell this brewing revolution. It won't work!

I don't know how many more fights and points of tension humanity will have to go through before we have the age of peace everyone looks forward too. But it will come and the current upheavals will be a step in that direction no matter how terrible they seem at the moment. TPTB have a strong measure of control on many things however they do not control everything as some folks believe.

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I will plead no contest to the misplaced optimism charge, but have to say, truth is always a mixed bad.

Looking forward to your reply.