Is the Internet Being Used (right now) to Start World War III?

Originally posted by jackflap
reply to post by TinfoilTP

 

Isn't every persona you meet on the net in reality some overweight, greasy, cheesepuff eating, cardiovasculary challenged, 40 something, waste of flesh typing on his moms computer in the basement?

Thanks for letting us all in on your physical attributes. I for one cannot be described by the above as I'm sure many of the other people I that I interact with on this sight cannot be.

It could be that your spending too much time in Mom's basement. You've obviously developed some sort of complex that compels you to refer to yourself as a waste of flesh. I would suggest intensive psycho therapy, lots of fresh air and for heaven's sake get some sun.

Ooohhh oooohh a personal attack, now you're special and look you got a star too.

Back to the point of the thread, yet again....The main honcho at the company who made this app has been canned. That is what usually happens when you waste company money on a worthless project.

Nothing ever changes, the only thing missing in this video is the internet..

reply to post by TinfoilTP

Isn't every persona you meet on the net in reality some overweight, greasy, cheesepuff eating, cardiovasculary challenged, 40 something, waste of flesh typing on his moms computer in the basement? Come on, get back to reallity. How would this influence anyone other than a complete internet virgin? Are you all reading every piece of spam? Expecting Ed McMahon at your door with your prize check? Sending moneygrams to people from craigslist? Waiting for your inheritance from Nirobi?

Ooohhh oooohh a personal attack, now you're special

Couldn't any one of us that have been involved in this thread wrote a similar response to you in regards to your first post? No, mine wasn't a personal attack it was genuine concern. Anyway, back to the thread.

It seems you want to disregard the persona management software issue and claim that they guy who wrote it all resigned because he made a garbage product. I beg to differ.

Spy bloggers not ‘friending’ U.S. targets, Centcom says Posted at 1:31 PM ET, 03/ 2/2011

The U.S. Central Command says its new “Persona” social media "infiltration" software is designed to cozy up to extremist bloggers overseas, not law-abiding Americans chatting on Facebook or similar sites. Earlier this month, the Web buzzed with a report that the software was designed to “manage ‘fake people’ on social media sites and create the illusion of consensus on controversial issues,” implying that the Defense Department was targeting critics of the war in Afghanistan and other conflicts. Further compounding a sinister view of the software was the discovery of e-mails from the head of a company implicated in “dirty tricks” against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange and a pro-labor organization, which discussed how such technology could be used. "There are a variety of social media tricks we can use to add a level of realness to all fictitious personas...” wrote Aaron Barr, the chief executive officer of HBGary Federal, a Colorado Springs company whose hacked e-mails revealed plans to attack critics of Bank of America and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Barr resigned Feb. 28 “to allow the company to move on after an embarrassing data breach,” according to the technology Web site ThreatPost.

voices.washingtonpost.com...

The above article clearly says that the Air Force has obtained the software and that the individual resigned. We all know that the technology we find out about today is actually much older than what the military is and has been using all along.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


I think you are replying to an I-bot, as in Internet roBot. This tech has been in use now for at least a decade. An early usage for I-Bots was in E-Bay, to make last second bids. It is also widely used for internet pornography.

Notice that throughout the long post, not one coherent sentence was completed. Earlier on in the thread I ousted another poster who I believed to be an I-Bot. I never noticed a reply to deny this. I think ATS is infested with I-Bots, who primarily put out short posts that essentially say nothing, but do deliver some kind of propaganda statement. They serve several purposes.

Personally, I see big media reacting to many of the ideas that get put out here in these forums. This is how I know we are being effective in the ongoing propaganda war.

Are any of you fans of William Gibson? Author of "Necromancer" and numerous other books, whose science fiction concepts are considered by many to have contributed greatly to the creation of the web as we know it today.

Mr Gibson's recent work have become contemporary, and concentrates on recognizing modern symbolism. A recent work is "Pattern Recognition". I think this concept is very valid, but can be used further to identify mainstream propaganda that is constantly being thrown at the masses.

Included in mainstream propaganda is their response to ideas which those behind the propaganda want to counter. As I have stated in past posts, I don't believe there is such a thing as a unified group looking to create a NWO, but a competing number of groups with this goal. What you can see in how they change their propaganda to counter ideas being put out on the internet, is how these ideas affect their ideology.

You just have to know how to recognize the patterns to develop your own antibodies to the propaganda. These antibodies then spread quickly throughout the internet. In my observation, these internet conversations are rapidly changing the world. I can see it in the propaganda patterns.

WW III will be a revolution, and the revolution is going well.

I get it now, any poster who is not on board and sheeple'n along nicely, must be a bot.
This app is brilliant after all!!!
You don't have to buy it, borrow it, or pirate it, it's just always there to invoke wherever dissenting opinion appears.

I got a thought.....if this app is so great and top shelf warrior material for cyber warfare, why let the top guy go to get snatched up by the enemy so he can be employed making it for them? This defies logic, I mean people disapear for inventing free energy but they let this guy go???

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by xuenchen

 

Nope i'm not a doctor, but i have worked around people with mental problems, especially the manic variety and i was just saying i have seen similar things from people having an episode, you might also notice if you try and stop some of your condescension that i suggested the person see a doctor. Thinking someone might have something wrong and suggesting they seek professional medical advice isn't playing doctor, it's showing concern.

Your post didn't really add anything now did it.

Sorry for the misunderstanding .... I put my own foot in my mouth!

I was referring to the "ianchattan" character, not you!

I was posting in agreement with your post... and suggesting that "ianhattan" may in fact be a hoax poster!

and I agree with your comments here:

Since then the US invested massively in their military and a new strategy took place. Instead of invading other countries and leaving troops there as a peace keeping force for many years like ancient rome and Britain tried, the US adopts a strategy of simply destabalizing regions. By doing this there never rises a power that can rival it's own. consider the wars the Us has undertaken in recent times and the known intelligence operations. Everything has been about distabalizing other countries rather than occupying them or supporting regimes that give their resources in return.

I believe the internet could also be used as a weapon for this strategy.

I also believe the internet is a weapon for the current events!.. mixed in with some military action for Libya ...

after all, TPTB must spread the expenses around a little bit!

all non-military is too easy!

Cheers friend.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

I think you are replying to an I-bot, as in Internet roBot. This tech has been in use now for at least a decade. An early usage for I-Bots was in E-Bay, to make last second bids. It is also widely used for internet pornography.

Notice that throughout the long post, not one coherent sentence was completed. Earlier on in the thread I ousted another poster who I believed to be an I-Bot. I never noticed a reply to deny this. I think ATS is infested with I-Bots, who primarily put out short posts that essentially say nothing, but do deliver some kind of propaganda statement. They serve several purposes.

I agree,

I was thinking the same thing, but forgot about the older I-Bots!

reply to post by xuenchen

There was a big long drama on another thread with the end result being the removal of several posts and some putative measures taken against members for suggesting that someone was a paid shill.

Just to let you know the mod consensus seemed to be that suggesting a member, any member, regardless what they were posting, was a shill was a violation of the TnC. So I-bot with caution.

Even if it is the truth, it may get you in trouble.

Back on target:

this guy -----> Mr Musa Kusa, the #2 man in Libya:

The most powerful man in Libya outside the Gadhafi family is a U.S.-educated spy master suspected of masterminding two of the world’s deadliest terrorist attacks and brutally repressing political opponents.

But Musa Kusa, Libya’s foreign minister, is a man of stark contrasts, having also been instrumental in helping the CIA fight al-Qaida and unravel the A.Q. Khan nuclear smuggling network.

Kusa gained his credibility and notoriety during the 20-plus years he served as intelligence chief before Gadhafi elevated him to his current post in 2009.

“He is no doubt the most powerful man in the government after the Gadhafi family,” said one U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity.....

Certainly, there is a longstanding connection between Kusa and the U.S. and U.K. intelligence services, discussed in little-noticed sections of former CIA Director George Tenet’s memoir, “At the Center of the Storm.”

www.msnbc.msn.com...


this guy is a genius and probably has Internet ties to the Iran reactor attack and may be involved as a "double agent" ......

Kussa attended Michigan State University, earning a bachelor's in sociology in 1978.

en.wikipedia.org...


he is definitely a "suspect" in league with HBGary and for sure a heavy-duty broker for TPTB!...


and

Musa Kusa, Libya's ‘envoy of death,’ escapes UN sanctions list ....

voices.washingtonpost.com...

hhmmmmmmmmm?


Qa-DaffyDuck has blamed Al-Qaida ???? but with Kusa on his side .. how could that be?


and lets not forget the Google - George Soros connections:


www.abovetopsecret.com...


www.abovetopsecret.com...


it all may tie in with the HBGary program!


too many coincidences maybe ???


this thread by StealthKix may shed some light on the military / financial / industrial aspects and why Libya is a bigger fish to TPTB than Egypt and Tunisia::

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by xuenchen

 

There was a big long drama on another thread with the end result being the removal of several posts and some putative measures taken against members for suggesting that someone was a paid shill.

Just to let you know the mod consensus seemed to be that suggesting a member, any member, regardless what they were posting, was a shill was a violation of the TnC. So I-bot with caution.

Even if it is the truth, it may get you in trouble.

OK,

thanks for the warning .. I will control myself in the future.

and I offer my apologies to Proto and anyone else who may have been offended.

Originally posted by crimvelvet
reply to post by xuenchen

 

I vote for a GMO mutant... AHHHH the attack of the killer tomatoes

YES!

one of the truly great movies of all time!

and then there's the worlds first GMO:

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by ianchattan


Ian, so you say, so you say, but that is all you say. And IT is not listening, and it is not even in this universe, just like you so said, so why say it in the first place? Say no more. Done and done, on both accounts of saying anything you have said nothing.

it looks to me like Facebook has been throwing logs on the fires:


www.aolnews.com...

The brutal killing of a young man who reportedly was beaten to death by police appears to have helped galvanize protesters in Egypt, stoking anti-government anger for months before thousands took to the streets in a bid to bring a 30-year regime to its knees.

Egyptians, it seems, have not forgotten about the June death of Khaled Said, a 28-year-old man who, according to witnesses and his family, was publicly beaten to death by police in Alexandria, reportedly as punishment for possession of a video of the officers dividing the spoils of a drug bust.

An Egyptian woman previews the Facebook page showing the picture of Khaled Said, who was reportedly tortured to death by the police in Alexandria, Egypt.

A Facebook page created by an anonymous activist in Said's name has played a major role in the country's protests, rallying thousands of young Egyptians to rise up against President Hosni Mubarak and an oppressive government that rights groups say regularly employs torture and human rights violations to stay in power.

The page "We are all Khaled Said," which today had more than 36,000 fans, has provided kindling for Egypt's unrest for months. But, as Newsweek reports, the page seemed to take on new energy after the December suicide of Mohamed Bouazizi, a university graduate and vegetable seller in Tunisia, sparked anti-government demonstrations across the Middle East.

Since then, the anonymous activist behind the page, who goes by "El Shaheed," or "The Martyr," has helped organize dozens of protests and called for the overthrow of Mubarak's decades-long regime.

El Shaheed, who communicates via a Gmail account and refused to give any details about his identity, said the protests that began online have taken on a life of their own. "Internet is down but people no longer need internet," he told AOL News via gchat Tuesday. The protests, he said, have become "fully organic" and no longer need to be organized online.

Last month though, the blogger told Newsweek that the wave of protests had renewed hope among Egyptian activists that they could topple Mubarak's government.

"A lot of Egyptians lost that hope years ago," the anonymous activist told Newsweek over Gchat.

"Now people start to pay more attention to the activists, and there is a hope that we can make it."

and


articles.nydailynews.com...

Al Jazeera, local citizens protested in the street with "a rock in one hand, a cell phone in the other." The name of Bouazizi and the name of his small city, became global hashtags on Twitter. Soon people around the world were tweeting #Tunisia, as anti-government protests rocked the small nation.In Egypt, it was the stark sound of a single gunshot, the image of an unknown protester falling heavily to the ground and the voices of his panicked comrades carrying his limp body away.

and Facebook is fueling the Wisconsin protests!


www.facebook.com...


www.facebook.com...


there's some WWIII chatter on the net too:

comingworldwar3.wordpress.com...


AND some talk of food prices and social media starting WWIII !!!!!


yowusa.com...

The Role of the Internet and Social Media

One thread that weaves itself through the series of revolts is social networking, such as Facebook and Twitter. Social networking freely “advertised” these revolts everywhere, according to the following, by overcoming the individual nations’ Internet laws.

CNN, 27-January-2011
Social media's role in North Africa's unrest

"Social media is key to the revolution taking place in North Africa, and this may actually be the first time a government leader has lost power because of social media," said Darrell West, the vice president for governance studies at the Brookings Institution, referring to the ousting of former Tunisian president Zine El Abidine Ben Ali…

"In the Iranian election protests of 2009, government people would put their own information on Twitter, sometimes disinformation to try and confuse people, saying this person is a government informant and things like that," Carafano said.

However, countries like Egypt are “intermittently blocking” sites like Facebook and Twitter, despite the fact that they are insisting that the sites are freely available.

Channel 4 News, 26-January-2011
Egypt Bans Protests after Unrest,
Activity Continues Online

Egypt's government denies that social media websites like Twitter and Facebook have been disrupted, saying the government respects freedom of expression.

"The government would not resort to such methods," cabinet spokesman Magdy Rady said, after Egyptians complained social media sites were being blocked and mobile networks disrupted…

The front page of state newspapers put the protests in Lebanon as its top story today - ahead of the extraordinary scenes at home, which were covered lower down. The paper announced that grateful citizens had given the police flowers and chocolates. So perhaps it’s no wonder activists have turned to Facebook and Twitter.

Both sites are intermittently blocked now protesters say they are still finding new ways of spreading the word.

Flowers and chocolates? This type of ridiculous disinformation comes from the government news agencies in these nations. It’s no wonder that people are turning to Facebook and Twitter to avoid reading it.

The situations of the people in the revolting nations are quite clear. The mobs are asking repeatedly for jobs and food, but one has to wonder what will happen to Israel, the US and other non-Islamic nations that depend on stable governments in the Middle East and North Africa. What, especially, does Israel think of these events? How are they already suffering?

Food Prices

These nations all seem to be what we call Third-World nations. That is to say that most of their people seem to live either at or below the poverty line. So, the riots seem to be more about food prices than regime change. Therefore, needless to say, the people struggle every day to keep themselves and their families fed, clothed, sheltered and healthy. Additionally, the food struggles are reaching the United States, with riots in Wisconsin. These have taken the shape of demonstrations against governmental cutting of such vital services as Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid and against the state’s decision to discontinue employing union workers. The only nation in the Middle East that does not seem to be rioting over food and regime change is Israel.

The food crisis, however, is very real, as this article suggests.

AP, 18-Feb2011
Food Prices Climb 0.5% in January

Bad weather has damaged harvests in Russia, Australia, Argentina and elsewhere. At the same time, rapid growth in developing countries is raising demand. Global food prices have risen 29 percent in the past year, according to a World Bank report Tuesday. They are just 3 percent below the all-time peak reached in 2008.

Higher food prices are pushing overall inflation up in developing countries and contributing to political unrest. China said Tuesday that consumer prices rose 4.9 percent in January, driven by a 10.3 percent jump in food costs.

Note that the article states that the total food price increase for last year was 29%, just 3% lower than 2008, when the world economy crashed. What does that tell people who must survive on low or fixed incomes? It says that the so-called recovery is taking a long time to come, the slow “recovery” is taking its toll on the poorest of the world, who may have been content to live under brutal dictatorships as long as they could have afford food.

Now that food costs are at their highest since the 2008 crash, according to FAO Food Price Index, forcing the poor to use almost all their income on food and lodging, they are revolting against their governments to try to lower food costs and they think that regime change will accomplish this. Besides the riots, how are people doing this? They are doing it with the help of the Internet.

It looks like the OP is making more and more sense........

Proto thanks for another insightful and thought provoking thread.

I've joined late because i've really been thinking about this, not that i've come to any firm conclusion, only a few (more) questions.

Your suggestion is that the current wave of protests has been shaped by TPTB, via technology. A couple of things strike me as self evident:

1. The protests are firmly rooted in decades of corruption and brutality against the people.
2. The protests come as total mismanagement by ALL powers has reduced the populations to starving prisoners.
3. Increased communication among the people has increased their general awareness.
4. Bloody revolution has long been the ONLY available means of removal of despots.
5. ALL despots rule at the pleasure of TPTB.
6. TPTB rule, whether through a single dictator, or through manipulation of market and political forces, brought to the fore by instability.
7. TPTB have total control of communication.
8. TPTB will use communication to manipulate market and political forces, and to foment instability.
9. TPTB are clearly very busy increasing their abilities to manipulate mass communication like ATS, Twitter and MSM.
10. It is becoming more widely used, more widely SEEN to be used, and can only lead to further instability in ANY dictatorship across the world, including "democratic" countries.

Knowledge is power, always has been, always will be. Mass media spreads knowledge faster, but can also provide so much data, as to render the relevant data buried.

Conclusions:
1. It's people vs TPTB.
2. Despite our legitimate grieviences, they only have interest in destabilising ANY attempts at change.
3. They are now in control of both mass and private media, and capable of making it appear that the 2 are uniform.
4. Despite all of the above, they cannot provide a coherent alternative view for long.
5. Don't believe anything you read, until you completely understand what is being said, and why, and by who, and for what purpose.
6. THINK FOR YOURSELF.

They CAN only shape, and instigate. They cannot control spontaneous mass movement of people, other than by shaping the communication. This is a firebomb for them, for anyone who plays with a mob plays with more than they can actually control.

Proto, to answer your thread, what's changed?

peace

reply to post by TinfoilTP

why let the top guy go to get snatched up by the enemy so he can be employed making it for them? This defies logic, I mean people disapear for inventing free energy but they let this guy go???

And who says he will still be alive six months from now?

On May 23, 1933, Congressman, Louis T. McFadden, brought formal charges against the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve Bank system, The Comptroller of the Currency and the Secretary of United States Treasury for numerous criminal acts, including but not limited to, CONSPIRACY, FRAUD, UNLAWFUL CONVERSION, AND TREASON....

Former Congressman Louis T. McFaddens's "heart-failure sudden-death" on Oct. 3, 1936,
....The first attack came in the form of two revolver shots fired at him from ambush as he was alighting from a cab in front of one of the Capital hotels. Fortunately both shots missed him, the bullets burying themselves in the structure of the cab.

"He became violently ill after partaking of food at a political banquet at Washington. His life was only saved from what was subsequently announced as a poisoning by the presence of a physician friend....

home.hiwaay.net...

First National Bank of Montgomery vs. Daly (1969)
...To everyone's surprise, Morgan admitted that the bank routinely created money "out of thin air" for its loans, and that this was standard banking practice. "It sounds like fraud to me," intoned Presiding Justice Martin Mahoney amid nods from the jurors.... The court rejected the bank's claim for foreclosure, and the defendant kept his house....

ustice Mahoney, who was not dependent on campaign financing or hamstrung by precedent, went so far as to threaten to prosecute and expose the bank. He died less than six months after the trial, in a mysterious accident that appeared to involve poisoning.... www.webofdebt.com...

... F.B.I. agents investigating the deadly anthrax letters of 2001 finally zeroed in last year on a different suspect:
....investigators built a case against the second one, Bruce E. Ivins, a highly respected microbiologist who had worked for many years to design a better anthrax vaccine.

The apparent suicide of Dr. Ivins, a Red Cross volunteer and amateur juggler who had won the Defense Department’s highest civilian award in 2003, was a dramatic turn in one of the largest criminal investigations in the nation’s history.... www.nytimes.com...

Dr. Ivins death was from an overdose of Tylenol with codeine.... ANOTHER poisoning.

reply to post by TinfoilTP

Back to the point of the thread, yet again....The main honcho at the company who made this app has been canned. That is what usually happens when you waste company money on a worthless project.

I would be interested to know how you reached the conclusion that the outgoing head of HB Gary wasted money on a worthless project?

Do you have their books and research and development costs by chance?

My understanding is that Anonymous hacked into HB Gary's computers and accessed close to a 100,000 sensitive E-mails relating to it's business.

That it was the embarassment caused by disclosures of company policies and things that the company is working on and how they marketed them, that was bad for HB Gary as a business.

Very much like Watergate when you get caught red handed at certain things and you are an embarassment it's time for you to go, in hopes that yes people like yourself will draw hasty conclusions.

In fact if many of us are right in regards to the use of this software and how it can be used, it will not only be a big money maker for HB Gary but keep the firm relevant to the Defense Department regardless of who is at the helm.

I won't speculate on your individual motivation for proferring such an ill-concieved and unsubtantiated conclusion or the emotional envelope you are trying to deliver it in, but I highly doubt anyone following the HB Gary controversy from an informed position (those who have actually seen the 80,000 some odd sensitive emails obtained by anonymous) would agree with you.

By the way what Anonymous is doing is yet another aspect of the Guerilla Information War, so it would seem to me for some reason you are really missing the true power and potential of the Internet.

Originally posted by galadofwarthethird
reply to post by ianchattan

 

Ian, so you say, so you say, but that is all you say. And IT is not listening, and it is not even in this universe, just like you so said, so why say it in the first place? Say no more. Done and done, on both accounts of saying anything you have said nothing.

You are right. Unfortunately we only have to examine history from the beginnings of time and remember ALL of the wars, revolutions, pogroms, battles, massacres and so on to know that our turn will surely come. We are only here to be humiliated and slaughtered it seems.

WWI was supposed to be the war to end all wars shortly followed by WWII now we are at the brink of WWIII but it seems as if a slow Apocalypse/Armageddon in unfolding. Let us hope that nobody panics and unleashes ABC WMD on all of us.

Very few pass away quietly in their sleep. Seems that there have been very few golden weddings too.

This life of rabbit/bird man is really not acceptable. Too bad.

reply to post by TinfoilTP

I get it now, any poster who is not on board and sheeple'n along nicely, must be a bot.

Though you might be slow or reluctant to acknowledge it, yes, the power of peer pressure on the Internet often can and does influence conversation.

That's why it would be useful to have computer software that creates a majority to use that peer pressure to influence a conversation.

If you aren't additionally aware of the all important role that the war for "Hearts and Minds" in any military endeavor has, and fail to factor in the importance of the Internet for winning hearts and minds, primarily because more and more especially younger people turn to the Internet as their sole source of news, then yes you are going to struggle when it comes to understanding all this.

I got a thought.....if this app is so great and top shelf warrior material for cyber warfare, why let the top guy go to get snatched up by the enemy so he can be employed making it for them? This defies logic, I mean people disapear for inventing free energy but they let this guy go???

Question for you, do you imagine the CEO of Exxon personally goes out with a diving rod looking for where oil is, or the CEO of McDonalds is in some test kitchen going "And I call this the Southern Fried Chicken Sandwich" or the CEO of General Motors designed the volt?

What makes you believe the head of a large defense contractor is doing anything to actually develop the products through inventing them himself.

Maybe if you tried thinking out your questions in a little more depth you would be able to answer them yourself, since they are all pretty simple questions, ONCE you STOP trying to make the answer you would like to FIT, stop fitting and look for real answers.

Out simply what you are missing is that ONLY GERMANS should have been living in GERMANY as there is NO 'Jewland' and NEVER has been until 1948 when 'Israel' was established.

'Jews' were NOT indigenous to GERMANY only GERMANS are indigenous to GERMANY. Simple LOGIC.

The same can be said of ALL other countries where there were 'Jews'. There is NO 'Jewland' yet the Jews are everywhere. (Shadow men standing behind you.) But then 'Americans' are NOT indigenous to America, "Give US your poor and sprawling masses!" neither are South Americans being mainly of Spanish and Portugese descent.

Are these Conservative, Reformed, Orthodox or Ultra-Orthodx 'Jews' Zionist, whatever. Bunny bugs is all.

We are as grains of sand, it is said and our creator can displace us anywhere IT wants to.

Only sand was found in the Ark of the Covenant if you follow Raiders of the Lost Ark.

We are the Üntermensch, the low life, just cockroaches.

The Übermensch play with us at will and will exterminate us when they are finished with all this.

Sorry.