Why hasn't the US made a formal apology to the Native Americans?

reply to post by TheForgottenOnes


Yeah thats pretty much my guess too. I doubt I ever met a full blood myself.

reply to post by tom goose


Must be jealous

A good post S&F

I don't know much about American history and the natives there. It's like another poster said, we aren't taught about this at all. Why? Because to teach us will be admitting we were all less than animalistic butchers and we behaved like savages - it's true, but they aren't about to teach us and our children this. We don't want to hear it, we want it to be forgotten, but doesn't make it any less true.

TPTB are no better now than they were then. They promise one thing to get us on side and to get our votes, then when they have a foot in the door, they turn around and do just what they like, and all promises are out of the window

just another bit of info

"Suicide is the second leading cause of death for young American
Indians aged 15 - 34 and is the eighth leading cause of death among
all age groups in Indian country, according to data from the Centers
for Disease Control.

In 2004, 10 young adults and youth succeeded with their suicide
attempts on the Standing Rock Reservation, which is located in both
North and South Dakota. The suicide rate across the nation in Indian
country is said to be, by some estimates, more than 250 percent higher
than that of all ethnic groups across the country combined."

www.indiancountry.com...

"The statistics are grim: The suicide rate for American Indians and
Alaskan Natives ages 15 to 24 is three times the nation's average,
Carmona says. And it is estimated that there are 13 nonfatal attempts
for every fatality.

The High Plains has seen its share of incidents. The Cheyenne River
Indian Reservation in South Dakota has lost 17 teenagers to suicide in
recent years. On the Standing Rock reservation, which straddles the
border between North Dakota and South Dakota, at least 10 teenagers
have taken their own lives since early 2004.

Perhaps the most highly publicized suicide was in Minnesota in March,
when 16-year-old Jeff Weise killed nine people -- including several
students at Red Lake High School -- before turning a gun on himself.
The shootings brought a mountain of attention to the Red Lake Indian
Reservation and depression among teens there."



I think because they live in such cruel living conditions they feel they have nothing to live for? Also statistics show that for every suicide there is 13 attempts... so it must mean on Standing Rock Reservation in 2004 there would have been about 130 attempts on ones life... the population is 8,250 as of the 2000 census

Originally posted by sinned66
reply to post by tom goose

 

Must be jealous

Not at all, i get lots of work sent my way from native subsidy housing that get renovated every year because the residents wont pay their heat bill and figure it is a good idea to rip off the kitchen cabinets and burn them in the middle of the living room

Most of the money does get cycled back into different non-native businesses due to lack of capitalism on the native parts. They are given all the means to build themselves up to competitive standards but instead just end up throwing the money back at the white man like they don't want it.

No complaints here.

Originally posted by sinned66
You're going to pay for as long is it takes I guess, just as much as every gerneration of the Native people did

I don't understand what you are saying...you are saying I have to keep paying because people that founded the country killed their ancestors?

Originally posted by sinned66
reply to post by RestingInPiecesIts a sad shame the US government hasn't stepped up and appologized. The term (Indian) doesn't fit well with some of us since we were discovered by a fool named Columbus who was supposedly on route to India. I wouldn't complain about paying for taxes since the land was taken away and many slaughtered in the process and look at the land now.....its a dump. And this thing about taxes, Lets get one thing straight.....The natives too pay taxes in Canada like anyone else and I'm 100% sure it applies to the US people just the same. Not every Native lives on a reservation.

Status Indians pay ALL taxes?!? Whoever told you that, make sure you get your money back for false information.

www.heu.org...

If they live on reserve, they don't pay.

ALSO:

There are some situations in which Registered Indians do not pay taxes. Under sections 87 and 90 of the Indian Act, Registered Indians do not pay federal or provincial taxes on their personal and real property that is on a reserve. Personal property includes goods, services and income consistent with Canada Customs and Revenue Agency (CCRA) policies.

* In this document, when the term "First Nation" is used in the context of the Indian Act, it refers to an Indian Act band.

Since income is personal property, as a Registered (or entitled-to-be-registered) Indian, you may also be exempt from paying income tax on income earned on a reserve. For example, Registered Indians who work on a reserve do not pay federal or provincial taxes on their employment income. See the CCRA's June 1994 guidelines of "Indian Exemption on Employment Income."

Registered Indians do not pay federal or provincial sales taxes on personal and real property on a reserve. The federal Goods and Services Tax (GST) does not apply to on-reserve goods or to those goods acquired by a Registered Indian off-reserve, if the goods are delivered to a reserve by the vendor or the vendor's agent. Most provincial sales taxes are applied in a similar fashion. Special provincial rules may apply to items such as automobiles and alcohol. For example, in some provinces, an automobile must be registered to a reserve address to be tax exempt. For more information, contact the relevant provincial tax authorities.

A pamphlet outlining how federal GST affects sales and purchases by Registered Indians is available from all CCRA offices.

I don't complain about paying taxes. I am proud of my country and how I live in it. I would be thoroughly ashamed if I had to live off of other peoples work. I don't mind some charity...but come on. When I see a new truck driven by an Indian and it has a bumper sticker that says, " work harder white man, I need a new truck next year" on it, sorry, I wouldn't dream of bragging that I am a sponge on society. Maybe that is our fault too! We made them this way. If an apology will stop them from being racist...and it is...then I AM SORRY.

Equality works both ways.

After the SEC let the Bernie Madoff burn every one and made off with all the Indians' trust fund money people are wininig about paying a bit of what was stolen in the first place back...

haha happy bail out suckers.
YOU ARE THE NEXT INDIANS...QUIT YOUR WINING!

ha ha
I stole it its MINE!

Remember how when they doug up the Custer's ( the white guy in the girdle ) last stand they found that the indians had been telling the truth all along..
Custer was caught slaghtering the UNARMED women and children, then the braves came home and handed him his butt on a plate, then the US lied about the whole deal in all the kiddies' school books and on the TV and in the MOVIES and made him a hero...
like Jessica Lynch..( oh wait, that was a Jerry Bruckhiemer plot)


LIERS don't usually apologize they just move on to the next lie....
like the gulf of Tonkin or WMD

The Germans are still paying for the holoCOST, meanwhile the incomparably more bigger slaughter of the rightfull inhabitants and the breaking of most of the treaties by the White limpy forky tongue folks goes unpaid for....

wow, thats why they named the mooch who never paid his bills in the Popeye cartoons
Wimpy

Originally posted by Danbones
After the SEC let the Bernie Madoff burn every one and made off with all the Indians' trust fund money people are wininig about paying a bit of what was stolen in the first place back...

haha happy bail out suckers.
YOU ARE THE NEXT INDIANS...QUIT YOUR WINING!

ha ha
I stole it its MINE!

Remeber how when they doug up the Custers ( the white guy in the girdle ) last stand they found that the indians had been telling the truth all along..
custer was caught slaghtering the ubarmed women and children, the braves came home and handed him his butt on a plate then the US lied about the whole deal and made him a hero...
like Jessica Lynch..( oh wait that was a Jerry Brukhiemer production)


LIERS don'r usually apologize they just move on to the next lie....
like WMD

edit on 27-2-2011 by Danbones because: (no reason given)

W.T.H. ?

reply to post by superman2012


what do you mean WTF?

smarten up

I feel sorry for the Indians but I think the pain goes both ways. There were indians that killed white men unfairly and there were white men that killed indians unfairly. For every case you point to where white men slaughtered indians i can point to a case where indians slaughtered white men. And you skip over something big. Disease and viral infections spread by white men (mostly ignorant of) killled off a lot of indians, not guns. It's dishonest to act like they were all killed by white people.

All in all, I think our debts are mostly payed. Indians have reservations and what else? Don't complain. This all happened in the past, keep in mind. So complaining about it now is doing little good. Nothing we do now can change what happened and will only breed further contempt on both sides. We don't need more animosity. We need indians in universities on a path to success, not in reservations.

The idea here is to grow and prosper and love, not to wallow in past bitterness and hate. And besides, focusing on what white men did ignores what the indians did. Don't cherry pick history.

Originally posted by Danbones
reply to post by superman2012

 

what do you mean WTF?

smarten up

I typed...W.T.H. if you need help in deciphering that I can help you...it means what the hell...you are all over the place and not sticking with the topic at hand...you are also all over the map on this one...just pointing out that you need to stick to an idea and roll with it before you start going all ADD on everyone.
sorry, I shouldn't have said anything, I guess I am just a limpy white fork tongued...what was that again? hahaha
We have paid enough for them...sink or swim...you can't make it...tough. I did it without help...so did my parents and grandparents...and the worst thing is...we didn't have anyone to blame! haha

Has anyone here ever watched the film Soldier Blue? With Candice Bergen and Peter Strauss.

It tells of which side was telling the truth.

Made in the 70's - if you can find it please watch it.

reply to post by TheForgottenOnes


I support you with a S&F . Your way has always been better.

Great Thread OP. It has already been said- To apologize means to admit wrong-doing, and the USA PTB dont seem willing to see the error of their ways. Ive seen what i would deem ignorant statements pop up in this thread and it saddens me deeply. With out focusing on who did what, why and when, I'd like to put a thought on the table that has been on my mind for years.....

What if, instead of taking from the natives and killing off the ancestors of this great land, the white people had come in peace and learned to live by the native laws? Its a big huge whopping WHAT IF? But I have often had this thought and dreamed of what life might be like for us now if oh so long ago we had not killed off a people who had so much natural wisdom to share.

Furthermore- I beleive we are ALL paying for what was done to the natives And I am not speaking in monetary means, I am saying all of us in this world are paying in a spiritual manner for the damage that has been inflicted on true spirit and connection to land, earth and nature. This is my truth, and even though i was not directly responsible for the demise of a great people, I am sincerely sorry that it happened.

You will never see an apology made to Native Americans because in order to apologize, you have to admit you are wrong.

As far as I am concerned it is just more hypocrisy from America... we condemn other countries for something we have done ourselves. Look how we beat the genocide horse to death when talking about Iraq. We heard it non stop..Saddam killed his own people blah blah blah, but yet not a word about the fact that the US pretty much wiped the American Indian off the map.

It's the same as apologies to blacks...none are due. Not one of us was alive at that time and thus there is nothing to apologize for. Shouldd it be taught in school? Yes, it should, however, I'm not apologizing for something I didn't do.

I hear you brother. They couldn't kill us all.The tactic today is assimilation. As many more Native people marry into other races, the blood quantum goes down. You can see the end result of that....POOF, no more Indians.

The casinos billions and tax free status are a good start as far as apologies go. It's not much, but it's something.

And if it helps, I am horrified and apologize! (For something that happened centuries before my ancestors ever came to this country and something that better not ever happen again,)

reply to post by TheForgottenOnes


You are correct in your reasoning to that which occured during in time gone/ the distant past. Yet when people like you ask this question, Why hasnt "america" formally apologized to native americans. Well I find that kinda odd to even ask. Which race of americans should apologize? after-all we have nearly every race living here. What age should this person be who is apologizing? after-all not one living american was around when all those hideous things happen to the native americans. But if people keep insisting on having apolgies from "america" for their cultural or racial reason well I must consider it shoudl come from a spaniard. It is the spaniards who so-called, found america, it is the spaniards who brought slaves to america and lastly it was the spaniards who started the downfall of the native american nation...so again I ask, which nationality do you have in mind of this person who will apologize to the natives in representing all americans?