Alex Jones experiences melt down trying to wake us up.

I like Alex Jones...
I would rather listen to a parnoid dude than then a fat golfer...

LMAO!!! LOVE IT!!! Starred and flagged.

Listen, I know I am in small company round these parts, but I really appreciate what Jones does overall. He may not be correct on every subject he tackles, but NO ONE can doubt that he has brought MANY subjects that would have recieved nary a whisper of notice nor airplay to the forefront for millions of people. And I don't think even the folks who DESPISE him can doubt that he at least has PASSION for what he's doing. haha.

It would seem that more folks than many would care to acknowledge seem to connect to his message, as he generates THE highest traffic amongst all "alternative news" websites on the entire internet:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

So he must be doing SOMETHING right imho.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

SO, moral of the story here is, let's judge the content of people's words and actions, rather than judging the content of their characters.

This applies to everything, even ATS, and all of these other self-starter businesses who are trying to make a buck in a hard world.

So, in other words "Do as they say, not as they do." What a truly awful thing to say. Advice which, if followed, would lead us directly to the same predicament we are currently in.

If the content of their character contains characteristics of deceitfulness and emotional manipulation and we only judge people by their words and actions and not the content of their character then what's to keep us from being led right off the edge of a cliff like a bunch of lemmings. Glassy eyed and repeating "I'm awake and know the truth thank you for keeping me from going over that cliff" all the way down till you splatter all over the rocks.

You can only judge a person by the content of their character. If they are prone to lying, then you know not to trust everything they say. If they are prone to being manipulative, then you won't be so easily manipulated. But you HAVE to look at their character to be able to make those kinds of calls.

AJ does what he has to.
But he also does what he can.

Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
LMAO!!! LOVE IT!!! Starred and flagged.

Listen, I know I am in small company round these parts, but I really appreciate what Jones does overall. He may not be correct on every subject he tackles, but NO ONE can doubt that he has brought MANY subjects that would have recieved nary a whisper of notice nor airplay to the forefront for millions of people. And I don't think even the folks who DESPISE him can doubt that he at least has PASSION for what he's doing. haha.

It would seem that more folks than many would care to acknowledge seem to connect to his message, as he generates THE highest traffic amongst all "alternative news" websites on the entire internet:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

So he must be doing SOMETHING right imho.

My point exactly. If Jones just brought his opinions and facts in a mature manner, nobody would know who he is.

He's hugely popular because he's a character, an entertainer. What he sells is a product. He's the MTV of conspiracies. The Justin Bieber of conspiracies.

Unfortunately Americans have been brainwashed to such an extent by Hollywood that you seem unable to seperate stage shows and reality.

About as authentic as Glenn Becks tears

reply to post by NadaCambia


I wasn't commenting on your post, I was making my post a general one. When I say he is a regular, down to earth guy I mean he is in person. If you would come over here and meet him you would see that. He started with a volunteer public access show. Now, yes, I can see all the ads on his site and now his show is 3-4 hours a day. That takes a lot of info and guests to fill up. So take the ads and the "over the top" stuff with a grain of salt. You say he is bordering on lunacy. Are you a psychiatrist? You say "normal" people don't act like he does. Please define "normal". I studied in the UK and people acted differently there than they do in the US, so does that give me the right to call them "abnormal"? If there is anyone who has stood up to the govt as much as he has like you say, please tell me who they are. I state again, if you want to know Alex, just come over to Austin and meet him face to face, man to man, and base your beliefs on truthful facts.

Originally posted by dugstu
I like Alex Jones...
I would rather listen to a parnoid dude than then a fat golfer...

Gosh, I hope you recognize there are more choices than that as far as pundits go.

And, more importantly, I hope you recognize that punditry in and of itself is not 'news', but, at best, just a starting point.

Expecting a pundit to tell the truth, especially one who makes their living doing so, seems wrought with problems.

I'd suggest using it as a starting point to your own research, like, say wikipedia.

www.youtube.com...

....Seriously tho this guy is gonna have a stroke or heart attack if he doesn't calm down.

reply to post by Goldie


How has Alex Jones advanced mankind?

I had a call 2 years ago from a guy in the middle of my state that wanted a full paint job on his home. He explained to me that he was from Albania which I replied that I had an old work friend named A. from Albania. The man stated that he would like for me to bring A. over for the estimate. The man snickered and stated he knew A. from Albania.

Though I only saw A. from time to time I mentioned this man to A. When I did mention his name A. became irate and wanted his address. He then called over four more Albanians which I was acquaintanced with all.

As it turnes out this man was the Alex Jones of Albania, who, it was revealed, helped stoke a civil war in Albania and now lives comfortably laughing at the suckers he conned in Albania.

I did not give the address to A. as he laughed at me for never killing anyone during my time in the service. That is the point of a strong Army

Originally posted by Control

You can only judge a person by the content of their character. If they are prone to lying, then you know not to trust everything they say. If they are prone to being manipulative, then you won't be so easily manipulated. But you HAVE to look at their character to be able to make those kinds of calls.

You shouldn't judge a person. You should judge ideals and actions.

Everyone is prone to lying, even you, and I don't trust anyone.
You should automatically not trust anyone even your own self.

Question yourself, question everyone.

Looking at someones character is inaccurate, because you are not them and you do not know why they are the type of person they are.
Making calls on them this way proves failure in the long run.

There are many people on ATS I get into heated debates with, and emotions get tense. But I often find myself agreeing with them and sharing information later on, and creating worthwhile friendships and contacts.

If I were a fool as you suggest, and judged them by what I assumed wrongly to be their character based on my own emotional reactions to their opinions, I would have never made those friends and never learned anything worthwhile at all.

Judge each ideal one at a time by thinking about it. Do not allow your prejudices against a particular person prevent you from learning what they have to offer. Everyone has a piece of the puzzle we are all trying to put together.

There is nothing different from Alex Jones or You or Me. We are all humans. You should embrace that rather than reject it.

We can all have an idea, and change our minds.

You are making a mistake by rejecting information entirely based on pre-conceived notions.

Originally posted by BeenieWeenie
reply to post by NadaCambia

 

I wasn't commenting on your post, I was making my post a general one. When I say he is a regular, down to earth guy I mean he is in person. If you would come over here and meet him you would see that. He started with a volunteer public access show. Now, yes, I can see all the ads on his site and now his show is 3-4 hours a day. That takes a lot of info and guests to fill up. So take the ads and the "over the top" stuff with a grain of salt. You say he is bordering on lunacy. Are you a psychiatrist? You say "normal" people don't act like he does. Please define "normal". I studied in the UK and people acted differently there than they do in the US, so does that give me the right to call them "abnormal"? If there is anyone who has stood up to the govt as much as he has like you say, please tell me who they are. I state again, if you want to know Alex, just come over to Austin and meet him face to face, man to man, and base your beliefs on truthful facts.

Well in the conspiracy field there was William Cooper, who exposed Jones for the deceitful shill he is. And Jones is still going around removing the audio expose from Youtube, putting in copyright claims against ploaders. What a great and honest man he is. I suspect you conspiracy noobs will be asking "william who?"



Funny how Cooper was killed by the police, and AJ is the height of pop culture in the conspiracy field. Funny too how Jones waited until Cooper was killed to air a rebuttal and attack Cooper again, huh.

Then you have David Icke, who's crazy in alot of his beliefs, but he too behaves like a normal human being. He doesn't go on crazy artificial rants to get himself covered by the MSM.

Or if you want to leave the conspiracy field and talk about just anti-government people, there's many. Howard Zinn, Tony Benn, Noam Chomsky, there's 3, for a start.

Ironically, Chomsky is another person Jones has rubbished and lied about. Launching a vulgar and pathetic attack on Chomsky after Chomsky corrected Jones on his propoganda about British gun laws. And Jones spit his dummy out and went on the attack(when Chomsky signed off, of course). In the same way he did with William Cooper. This despite the fact Noam was being polite and merely correcting him.



Those of us who've been around a while still remember when Jones claimed America was under all out attack by the Russians.

I've travelled to many countries, I assure you America is the only one where it's hard to distinguish between Hollywood and real life. People are so brainwashed by the media that they don't understand how humans are supposed to behave. And if they did behave like a normal human being, they'd be considered socially awkward. It's just a generally superificial society where everyones a character and puts on a front. Jones is a great example of this.

... That is of course if that's what he's like, and he's not putting the act on. In either case he's a dishonest individual and really rather odd.

I agree 100% with alex.... I have nothing more to say

Originally posted by NadaCambia

He's hugely popular because he's a character, an entertainer. What he sells is a product. He's the MTV of conspiracies. The Justin Bieber of conspiracies.

Unfortunately Americans have been brainwashed to such an extent by Hollywood that you seem unable to seperate stage shows and reality.

About as authentic as Glenn Becks tears

I can separate freedom from slavery.

Glenn Beck clearly sells the product called mental slavery.

Alex Jones product however appears to be called Freedom.

I know which product I will be passing around to my friends. I know which one is worth buying if I were to give money to someone. Which I won't be giving any money because I don't have any to give at the time. But you get the point, right?

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by Control

You can only judge a person by the content of their character. If they are prone to lying, then you know not to trust everything they say. If they are prone to being manipulative, then you won't be so easily manipulated. But you HAVE to look at their character to be able to make those kinds of calls.

You shouldn't judge a person. You should judge ideals and actions.

Everyone is prone to lying, even you, and I don't trust anyone.
You should automatically not trust anyone even your own self.

Question yourself, question everyone.

Looking at someones character is inaccurate, because you are not them and you do not know why they are the type of person they are.
Making calls on them this way proves failure in the long run.

There are many people on ATS I get into heated debates with, and emotions get tense. But I often find myself agreeing with them and sharing information later on, and creating worthwhile friendships and contacts.

If I were a fool as you suggest, and judged them by what I assumed wrongly to be their character based on my own emotional reactions to their opinions, I would have never made those friends and never learned anything worthwhile at all.

Judge each ideal one at a time by thinking about it. Do not allow your prejudices against a particular person prevent you from learning what they have to offer. Everyone has a piece of the puzzle we are all trying to put together.

There is nothing different from Alex Jones or You or Me. We are all humans. You should embrace that rather than reject it.

We can all have an idea, and change our minds.

You are making a mistake by rejecting information entirely based on pre-conceived notions.

Then we judge ideals. And Jones is a liar who profiteers on emotion and fear.

See the Y2K incident, or his continuous lies about Google and Youtube being out to get him, because he breaks their TOS and tries to cheat the system. These are but 2 lies. There's many more. His character attacks and out and out libel against the likes of Cooper, Chomsky and many more, these again don't shine favourably.

Whether judged on character or actions, the conclusion is the same.

Originally posted by NadaCambia
or Alex Jones is putting on a show.

That's obvious, he actually is putting on a show

Originally posted by NadaCambia
Why can't he put forward his opinions and views like a rational human being? I get angry about alot of things but I don't behave like that.

Despiteful. Rational human beings are able to and allowed to express their opinion in any manner they desire at any given moment.

Attempting to bastardize the use of a natural emotion is despicable, NadaCambia. You may not behave like that, but you sure are behaving like what you mention in your first sentence.

As I've said, I highly doubt this is the only manner in which AJ has chosen to present this message. Perhaps someone can recall him spreading a similar message with a calmer tone, if that's the case then he's eligible to get mad at some point.

Originally posted by NadaCambiaAnyone who's buying his act can't be too bright.

There it is ladies and gentlemen, the reason why people must hesitate to consider spokespersons.

Not only are spokespersons vulnerable to attack, but also their (first time) listeners.

Congratulations. I pray that you only a pro-tier troll

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by NadaCambia

He's hugely popular because he's a character, an entertainer. What he sells is a product. He's the MTV of conspiracies. The Justin Bieber of conspiracies.

Unfortunately Americans have been brainwashed to such an extent by Hollywood that you seem unable to seperate stage shows and reality.

About as authentic as Glenn Becks tears

I can separate freedom from slavery.

Glenn Beck clearly sells the product called mental slavery.

Alex Jones product however appears to be called Freedom.

I know which product I will be passing around to my friends. I know which one is worth buying if I were to give money to someone. Which I won't be giving any money because I don't have any to give at the time. But you get the point, right?

edit on 26-2-2011 by muzzleflash because: (no reason given)

Really. Last I checked Alex Jones was selling Capitalism. Which is at complete odds with freedom. But what do I know. I'm just a beard-wearing European commie. Probably a Stalinite.

How is promoting Capitalism helping with Freedom? How is lying promoting freedom? How is calling everyone who disagrees with you a government shill promoting freedom?

Originally posted by la vie

Originally posted by NadaCambia
or Alex Jones is putting on a show.

That's obvious, he actually is putting on a show

Originally posted by NadaCambia
Why can't he put forward his opinions and views like a rational human being? I get angry about alot of things but I don't behave like that.

Despiteful. Rational human beings are able to and allowed to express their opinion in any manner they desire at any given moment.

Attempting to bastardize the use of a natural emotion is despicable, NadaCambia. You may not behave like that, but you sure are behaving like what you mention in your first sentence.

As I've said, I highly doubt this is the only manner in which AJ has chosen to present this message. Perhaps someone can recall him spreading a similar message with a calmer tone, if that's the case then he's eligible to get mad at some point.

Originally posted by NadaCambiaAnyone who's buying his act can't be too bright.

There it is ladies and gentlemen, the reason why people must hesitate to consider spokespersons.

Not only are spokespersons vulnerable to attack, but also their (first time) listeners.

Congratulations. I pray that you are only a pro-tier troll

edit on 26-2-2011 by la vie because: (no reason given)

But it's not natural emotion. It's exagerated emotion. He's a cariacture.

A caricature can refer to a portrait that exaggerates or distorts the essence of a person

An act. There's several tell-tale signs in the video which show he's in emotional control and not actually angry at all.

Someone commented above about teenagers doing teenager stuff and not worrying...

I completely agree. I just turned 20 a couple weeks ago, started reading about nwo and conspiracy theories at 18...

Sometimes I wonder what it would be like if I never found out. Only my close friends and some of their dads know I believe in conspiracy theory.

BTW, if teenagers found out about NWO, ect... that is, if it is real, they wouldn't just accept it. My generation KNOWS their is corruption. Taking action is the problem. Finding out there is a conspiracy would be the tipping point.

I mean, the NWOers, in their hopes to create a lazy controlled generation, created an anti-control, defiant, passionate group of people. Who knows, maybe that's what they wanted.

Back to where I was going with this:

It's hard to get motivated to do... stuff haha... I mean once you know about NWO, hear the positive views, the negatives views... after a certain point you ask yourself, what's the point of what I'm doing?

Just a little background, I still do everything that is required/not required of me. I get good grades in college, run an up and coming health/fitness website (which I'm actually making money off of), and still go out with friends and enjoy college.

But I constantly ask myself what the point of things are as I do them. It's not something I would ever wish on someone else.

Like right now, I should be studying for an anatomy practical, but instead I'm commenting here (not sure why, I usually just read and talk face to face) and planning a spring break trip with friends.

I've gone off topic, so let me get back to my question, if you could go back, would you have "taken the red pill?" Obviously there are benefits to being "enlightened" with what we allegedly think the truth is, but the question still stands.

Wow, that truly was an epic rant. Good to see someone doing something. Everyone has their different opinions of AJ, but I for one have gleaned a LOT of info from this man's endeavors. I have mad respect for anyone who is at least TRYING to help save the cluster# this world has become.