Theology: Prayer

reply to post by madnessinmysoul

Not really adamant about it. Didn't really bother to complain about them, I just sort of found it odd that the only objection was the post that wasn't addressed.

No, you were complaining that I responded to the other poster but didn't respond to your posts. But you don't care that my response to the other poster was a simple one line post. I couldn't respond to yours until I was back sitting at my pc.

reply to post by madnessinmysoul

Well, I guess I have a tendency to obliterate dishonesty then.

Yes, you're right Madness, thanks for participating.

reply to post by madnessinmysoul

Jesus saying that the second coming would come within the lifetime of his living disciples? I'm sorry, bad place to start Mister Misler.

Wrong, poor scholarship. Jesus said John would "see" the Kingdom of God coming before he died. Which John did see while on the island of Patmos. Jesus was extremely precise actually.

But is there any chance we can get back to the topic of prayer??

To return to the subject of prayer would be resonable, as it is part of the thread title.

It would be equally reasonable to take up the subject of theology, as this is also part of the title. And only saying 'theology' and not 'christian theology' in the title, it would then be reasonable to include 'general theology' and 'prayer in non-christian contexts' in the thread.

Admittedly is the OP christian preaching, but it doesn't explicitely exclude other religions from being included in a debate, and in any case prayer in non-christian contexts can add a valuable dimension from a comparative point of view.

I also have some thoughts on the methodology used by the OP author, but that will maybe be for a later post.

I am planning a 20hrs course on praying, how to prownawns du wurdz and how to sit while praying. A special tiwapy fo atheist.

eek

Originally posted by etherical waterwave
I am planning a 20hrs course on praying, how to prownawns du wurdz and how to sit while praying. A special tiwapy fo atheist.

eek

Your 'offer' is practically meaningless. Same as if a gnostic-atheist would offer religious 'de-conditioning' to theists.

PS Some atheists do meditate though.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


...you're the one that dragged it off topic.

My question for you is why you don't take the idea of pure meditative prayer over scriptural prayer. Why does prayer require a book? Surely the early Christians didn't have access to the scriptures...in fact, most of them didn't have access to basic literacy.

Why not attempt to commune directly with the source?

reply to post by madnessinmysoul


You wrote:

["Why not attempt to commune directly with the source?"]

As a debate direction, I agree with you. The subject is relevant and contains enough 'facets' to prevent it from derailing the thread.

reply to post by madnessinmysoul


I did? Okay, sure.. sorry.


Re-read the OP, I didn't say reciting the Word is the only way to pray.

It isn't.

So, this has ended in a dead end street.

I find NotUrTypical to be a great student.
We can compete the evilhearted. There is always a way out!
Lay yourself now down to sleep, pray the Lord your soul to keep.

Words that bring images to your mind, when spoken the meaning seen by others in themselves. Heartwords.

reply to post by NOTurTypical



Matthew 24:34

Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Fulfilled. Or maybe I misunderstood the place Mister Misler was quoting from.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Wow, you really are the intellectual equivalent of a schoolyard bully.

Well, that or William Lane Craig.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Matthew 24:34

Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Fulfilled. Or maybe I misunderstood the place Mister Misler was quoting from.

Oh.. I thought you were talking about the promise Christ made to His disciples about one of them being alive to see the Kingdom of God come upon the Earth. The early church thought that it would come before John died, not realizing John did see the Kingdom of God come to Earth when he received the vision of Revelation.

What you are asking about in Matthew 24 is different. Jesus's disciples asked Him 3 different Qs in one sentence from Matthew 24:3. They were;

1. Tell us, when shall these things be? and (The temple being destroyed and not 1 stone left on another)
2. what shall be the sign of thy coming, and (Christ's 2nd coming)
3. of the end of the world? (The end of all things)

1. The temple was in fact destroyed in 70 AD just as Christ prophesied, and not one stone was left on another. When the Roman legion set fire to the temple they toppled every single stone to get the molten gold from the cracks. Astounding prophesy fulfilled.

2. The sign of His 2nd coming will be the "Abomination of Desolation" that Daniel the prophet spoke of, where the antichrist will set himself in the holy of holies of the 3rd temple and declare himself to be God. He will come exactly 1,320 days after that event.

He tells them to remember the parable of the "fig tree", which is a Biblical metaphor for the nation of Israel. The "this generation" is not the disciples generation, but the generation that witnesses Israel become a nation. At the time of Christ there was no nation of Israel, that happened in 1948. The generation that saw that happen is the generation Jesus said would see His 2nd coming. That's why Eschatology students say today we are in the "End Times".

Which is cool Madness, YOU are included in the "this generation" Jesus was referring to.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Wow, you really are the intellectual equivalent of a schoolyard bully.

Well, that or William Lane Craig.

What's this comment for?

reply to post by NOTurTypical


You do realize that none of what you're saying actually comes from Matthew, right?


reply to post by NOTurTypical


It's for the immature comment regarding the idea of all discussions of god being called "Theology".

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul


You do realize that none of what you're saying actually comes from Matthew, right?

? Do you agree or disagree the disciples asked Jesus three questions in one sentence? Secondly, Jesus tells His disciples to remember the parable of the fig tree. If that parable isn't in Matthew 24 don't you think you have to refer back to that parable to see what it says?

It's for the immature comment regarding the idea of all discussions of god being called "Theology".

Can you remind me where I said "all discussions" of God is called Theology? Or is that a straw man?

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Not to be disrespectful in anyway, but you seem a little bit harsh towards NYT. FYI , theology would be defined as the study of the nature of God and religious truth; rational inquiry into religious questions. Question is,is how is this NOT theology?

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Mine are too, But you can move in all the gifts if you really want to. The Father said 'We have Not, Because we ask not." The Prayer Language is almost like an encrypted language in time of war. What war? We are at war with the Heavenlies, Principalities and Powers which try to dominate our lives, our families, our communities and our towns, cities, states, and nation. But thank God, Our weapons of warfare are mighty through God to the Pulling Down of strongholds, and Vanquishing the enemy because of what Christ did on the Cross. We have overcome Life, Death, Disease, and Poverty. He has given to us ALL things pertaining to Life. Just thought I'd share.......

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul


You do realize that none of what you're saying actually comes from Matthew, right?

? Do you agree or disagree the disciples asked Jesus three questions in one sentence?

Well, if you can show me how those three questions relate to anything but the exact thing that Jesus spoke of...

Secondly, Jesus tells His disciples to remember the parable of the fig tree. If that parable isn't in Matthew 24 don't you think you have to refer back to that parable to see what it says?

Remember?

Matthew 24:32
Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer [is] nigh:

Learn a parable. He's giving them a mini-parable here.

He goes on:

Matthew 24:33
So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, [even] at the doors.

When ye shall see all these things. The people he is talking to. And that's like a fig tree. When the fig tree starts to prepare for the sunny seasons, you know that the summer approaches, when you see all those things, you know that the end is coming.

It's for the immature comment regarding the idea of all discussions of god being called "Theology".

Can you remind me where I said "all discussions" of God is called Theology? Or is that a straw man?

It's blatant ignorance. All discussion of your deity isn't theology. Preaching isn't theology. You're preaching in this thread.